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I've made this point a few times in the Football group, but I just wanted to get this out there.
Let me say, first off, I am a die-hard Washington DC football fan. And yet, my team's name is an ethnic slur. There's a lot of history going back there, and I thought I would unpack some of that.
First off, for those of you who aren't football history fans, the "Cowboys/Redskins" rivalry is younger than the "Redskins" franchise name by about 30 years. So they were the Redskins for 30 years before that excuse.
So how did the team come to be called the "Washington Redskins"? Easy. Because they were before that the "Boston Redskins".
Why were they the "Boston Redskins"? Because they played at Fenway, and wanted a tie-in with the Boston Red Sox. Before the move to Fenway, they were the Boston (football) Braves, and tied in with the actual Boston Braves, the Baseball team (now the Atlanta Braves).
I can't stress this enough. The name was changed to "Redskins" as a marketing gimmick, so there's absolutely no reason it can't be changed from the Redskins for the same reason.
Want a name that still keeps the Cowboys rivalry current? The Rustlers. Also, the Bandits. If we want to keep the Native American reference, how about the "Powhatan"? Or the "Comanche"?
The name was "meant" neither to honor nor insult Native Americans, but to tie in with a baseball team. But what a word was "meant" to mean is not really the point; it's offensive.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Peel them back and watch them bleed!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Sigh...
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Or maybe Tony Romo throwing another 4th quarter pick.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I think RG3 is one awesome player, actually.
Seems to be one hell of a good person to boot
Recursion
(56,582 posts)former9thward
(31,984 posts)How many Native-Americans actually oppose the name vs. those who have self-selected themselves to speak for Natives? Notice the name of the high school team on the Navajo nation is the North Mesa Redskins and they have no problem with that.
Tommy Yazzie, superintendent of the Red Mesa school district on the Navajo Nation reservation, grew up when Navajo children were forced into boarding schools to disconnect them from their culture. Some were punished for speaking their native language. Today, he sees environmental issues as the biggest threat to his people.
The high school football team in his district is the Red Mesa Redskins.
We just dont think that (name) is an issue, Yazzie said. There are more important things like busing our kids to school, the water settlement, the land quality, the air that surrounds us. Those are issues we can take sides on.
Society, they think its more derogatory because of the recent discussions, Yazzie said. In its pure form, a lot of Native American men, you go into the sweat lodge with what youve got your skin. I dont see it as derogatory.
Also your history is wrong. The Washington Redskins were named for a a Native head coach, William Lone Star Dietz.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I would bring up, as well.
OK, the name is offensive to some Native American people, but I've also seen some say that they aren't offended at all by the name.
What do we do...take a poll, and the group with the higher percentage wins?
Because here's the thing...no matter what, there will always be something that's offensive to someone.
Other team names...city or town names...musical group names...
Also, like you mentioned...what the hell is up with people not even in that group being outraged and offended FOR that group??
In the case of the Washington Redskins, what...Native Americans are too wimpy or unintelligent or apathetic to be offended? What...white people have to rescue them?
Because, God knows...white people know what's best for them, right?
We've got Native Americans living in deplorable conditions on reservations. Alcoholism and suicide are rampant. Poverty and no hope for a better future.
I can't say for sure, but I would imagine that many, if not most, of those people would probably spit in the faces of the Benevolent White People who are trying to make a big issue over the name of a football team instead of trying to make life better on the Rez.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)they'd never play outside the 40-yard line, they'd make more money selling merchandise than actually playing the game and they'd be the only team where the fans want to see them lose and burn down the stadium in which they play.