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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:19 PM Nov 2013

16-year-old arrested, held for 3 years in prison, 400 days in solitary confinement.....no conviction


Teen Thrown In Violent New York Prison For Years Without Ever Having Been Convicted
By Amanda Scherker


Bronx resident Kalief Browder was walking home from a party when he was abruptly arrested by New York City police officers on May 14, 2010. A complete stranger said Browder had robbed him a few weeks earlier and, consequently, changed the 16-year-old's life forever.

Browder was imprisoned for three years before the charges were dropped in June 2013, according to a WABC-TV Eyewitness News investigation.

At the time of the teen's arrest, Browder's family was unable to pay the $10,000 bail. He was placed in the infamously violent Rikers Island correctional facility, where he remained until earlier this year.

Now that he's free, the young man is speaking up about his experience.

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The official complaint states Browder was "physically assaulted and beaten" by officers and other inmates during his time at Rikers Island. The document also maintains the accused was "placed in solitary confinement for more than 400 days" and was "deprived meals." In addition, officers allegedly prevented him from pursuing his education. Browder attempted suicide at least six times.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/kalief-browder-rikers-teen-violent-new-york-prison_n_4302360.html
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16-year-old arrested, held for 3 years in prison, 400 days in solitary confinement.....no conviction (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 OP
2010 - Bloomberg and Kelly were in charge factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #1
Bail yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #37
Maybe the Occupy Rolling Jubilee could help with bail in cases like this. n/t factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #49
Both are thugs! Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #55
he needs to sue the fuck out of the city gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2
And the people responsible need to go to jail. grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #18
... and stay there instead of clocking out at the end of their shift... mwooldri Nov 2013 #25
I agree gopiscrap Nov 2013 #39
He is... JimDandy Nov 2013 #22
I'm sure this happens more than reported sakabatou Nov 2013 #3
You can bet the house on it.... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #8
I have no dout gollygee Nov 2013 #29
There is so much wrong here. surrealAmerican Nov 2013 #4
Shit. This is too damn demoralizing. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #5
Feeling provoked is far more healthier and effective. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #42
K&R Solly Mack Nov 2013 #6
Until those that are granted license to exercise the power of the state are held accountable Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #7
DAs have immunity by Federal Law FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #52
Almost all government, law, and court officers are immune from the consequences Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #57
Absolutely disgusting blackspade Nov 2013 #9
Soooooo depressing... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #10
One of my high school friends eventually became a public defender. A few years back, struggle4progress Nov 2013 #11
Say thanks to her from an appricative citizen !!! reACTIONary Nov 2013 #30
How many constitutional violations are a part of a story such as this? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #46
I don't know for sure but I wonder if what happened there might have been related struggle4progress Nov 2013 #58
Something is missing here. Vattel Nov 2013 #12
If he had a public defender, they are so over burdened with cases, I can see this tsuki Nov 2013 #15
I guess you are right. I would like to find out that part of the story. Vattel Nov 2013 #17
PD not requesting he be ordered free, it's that simple... I'm looking for contact with PD uponit7771 Nov 2013 #24
"moving in the direction of a police state" hourglass1 Nov 2013 #35
And some of us get laughed at for suggesting we are becoming a police state davidn3600 Nov 2013 #13
Anyone, I repeat anyone... ReRe Nov 2013 #16
It is a police state, and a surveillance state - far too many are in denial. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #28
Don't forget, it's legal now to arrest someone WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2013 #32
+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #41
+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #40
When fleeing the scene of a traffic stop twice is outlawed Orrex Nov 2013 #45
If the police have instilled so much fear in the population... MindPilot Nov 2013 #47
Fear can be used to justify anything. Orrex Nov 2013 #50
You are confusing fear (subjective) with brindis_desala Nov 2013 #59
All right, but then she shouldn't have been speeding Orrex Nov 2013 #60
That being said neffernin Nov 2013 #61
What.The.Eff. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #14
This makes me sick. nt City Lights Nov 2013 #19
Just when you think you've.... ReRe Nov 2013 #20
I'll tell you what………. popsdenver Nov 2013 #21
That would be justice RobertEarl Nov 2013 #27
+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #43
Oh, that poor baby! It makes me soooooo mad. nt valerief Nov 2013 #23
Yet another huge WTF in US = United Stupidity. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #26
Until officials go to jail for this shit it will keep happening. Lawsuit hurts no one involved. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #31
^^This. I usually don't like using that meme-speak label, but even so. This^^ Orrex Nov 2013 #51
My thoughts Aaron8418 Nov 2013 #33
Gitmo relocated to The Big Apple, apparently. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #34
Unreal. Just unreal. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #36
This is the saddest thing LittleGirl Nov 2013 #38
Agree and what that did to him yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #62
yup. so very sad for him. LittleGirl Nov 2013 #63
We need some recognition of this problem. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #44
One more reason to lower the voting age. n/t MindPilot Nov 2013 #48
Just want to say I did not even have to guess before clicking on post...........that is all lunasun Nov 2013 #53
What is it with the USA and prisons? Blue Owl Nov 2013 #54
amerikkkaner justice, strikes again heaven05 Nov 2013 #56

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
1. 2010 - Bloomberg and Kelly were in charge
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:23 PM
Nov 2013

I'm really happy there has been a change in NYC. This story is just horrific.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
37. Bail
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:37 PM
Nov 2013

So sad that the parents couldn't come up with the bail. I can't believe the community didn't do anything. Well hopefully he can do something with his life. He may be able to become an inspirational speaker going around high schools.

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
25. ... and stay there instead of clocking out at the end of their shift...
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:19 PM
Nov 2013

It is alleged that Mr. Browder was physically assaulted and beaten by prison officers. Though Rikers Island sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me.

Yes there are decent prison guard officers out there. Can't paint them all with one brush... plus IMO there's too many people in jails in the USA that just don't belong there. Period.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
22. He is...
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:48 PM
Nov 2013

"In October, Browder filed a civil lawsuit against the Bronx District Attorney, City of New York, the New York City Police Department, the New York City Department of Corrections and a number of state-employed individuals."

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
29. I have no dout
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
Nov 2013

That poor kid. My first thought was, "How could this happen?" But then my second thought was that I know very well how it happens.

surrealAmerican

(11,357 posts)
4. There is so much wrong here.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:27 PM
Nov 2013

The bail system, unsafe prison conditions, inadequate legal representation, ....

That poor kid.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
7. Until those that are granted license to exercise the power of the state are held accountable
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:52 PM
Nov 2013

when they abuse that power, things like this will continue to happen.

This man has lived a nightmare that will haunt him forever, the very least we can do is make sure he never again wants for anything.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
57. Almost all government, law, and court officers are immune from the consequences
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:00 PM
Nov 2013

of their action or inaction. I learned this lesson the hard way pretty late in life.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
10. Soooooo depressing...
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:01 PM
Nov 2013

...the world we live in. It feels like it's getting worse; the for profit prison system and the militarized police state.

TYY

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
11. One of my high school friends eventually became a public defender. A few years back,
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:02 PM
Nov 2013

she found a guy in jail in a major Texas city, who simply fell through the cracks: he'd been arrested on weekend, and was supposed to come before a judge Monday, but somehow the right paperwork never worked through the system, so he sat in that cell for more than a year without ever even being brought into a courtroom

Yup: arrested, booked, thrown in lock-up -- and then in limbo forever, due to somebody's mistake

I think she found it by using her limited off-time to discover gradually who was jail and why

She got him released

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
30. Say thanks to her from an appricative citizen !!!
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
Nov 2013

Public defenders are the real keystone of the justice system.

My brother new a DA and he told him that if you ever need a lawyer and can't afford the most expensive talent there is, then go with a public defender. They know all how to handle anything and everything.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
46. How many constitutional violations are a part of a story such as this?
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:03 AM
Nov 2013

Due process. Speedy trial. Evidence. Opposing counsel.

And I know the work-a-day drones are just work-a-day drones but don't the officers passing out meals and taking him to the showers say to their superiors, "Ya know, that kid sure has been here a long time."

"By Jove, Officer Smedley, you're right! Helen, get me the magistrate at once."

In other words, people had to have noticed something wasn't right. Something needs to happen to put the "correction" back into "corrections officer."

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
58. I don't know for sure but I wonder if what happened there might have been related
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:17 PM
Nov 2013

to the results of the Rosenhan experiment "On being sane in insane places" -- in which normal volunteers checked into a psychiatric hospital, claiming pre-admission to hear voices saying "hollow" or "thud" but acting completely normally post-admission: institutional staff then interpreted many of these pseudo-patients' activities as evidence of psycho-pathology

Evidently, it can be extraordinarily difficult for institutional staff to distance themselves from their own preconceptions

So if one landed in jail and then found oneself forever in limbo through someone else's mistake, one might need to be an extraordinarily effective self-advocate to gain a sympathetic ear from low-paid not-well-trained over-worked jail staff: they might be inclined to presume in many interactions that the prisoner is a maladjusted liar with poor self control -- and a prisoner's own lack of education, or social marginality, or poor self control would only reinforce such staff presumptions

But, yeah, you're right: citizens ought to be able to expect the officials who run the lock-up to keep better tabs on the population, and certainly somebody who interacted with him should have asked why he was there so long. And, of course, that wasn't a harmless "oops! -- there there are scads of serious constitutional violations there

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
12. Something is missing here.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:05 PM
Nov 2013

If he had representation, how could he possibly go three years without trial? Granted the USA is moving in the direction of being a police state, but I didn't think we were this close.

As for the conditions at Rikers and other prisons across the country, I think the Courts need to step in and do something to correct it. Our fucking legislative and executive branches are too fucked up to fix the problem.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
17. I guess you are right. I would like to find out that part of the story.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:30 PM
Nov 2013

Odd that the article didn't address it.

hourglass1

(175 posts)
35. "moving in the direction of a police state"
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:22 PM
Nov 2013

wow, it is obvious the usa is now a police state - your freedoms have been shredded - for your safety - of course. more and more of your prisons are privately owned profit centers - that have got to have inmates. activist judges help fill them - then just look at scotus ...

how was this young man allotted a bunk, meals, laundry, etc., without any paperwork? easy. no one gives a shit. wall street financed madison ave, media, have taught americans that being poor is now a crime - added to the long-held notion that being black and poor, or brown and poor, is the cause of all america's current economic woes. not your endless wars of acquisition and endless readiness upgrades against one evil or another.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
16. Anyone, I repeat anyone...
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:26 PM
Nov 2013

... who says America isn't now a police state, is the one that needs to be laughed at. Key up those wild wild west New Mexico wannabe cops bashing out the windows and shooting at a van with a load of children inside. Hell, just key up Rodney King getting his body brutalized by all those cops! (rest his soul.)

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
32. Don't forget, it's legal now to arrest someone
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:57 PM
Nov 2013

without charging them with a crime, giving them a trial, or holding them forever, enemy combatant comes to mind.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
45. When fleeing the scene of a traffic stop twice is outlawed
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:00 AM
Nov 2013

Then only outlaws will flee the scene of a traffic stop twice.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
47. If the police have instilled so much fear in the population...
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:15 AM
Nov 2013

that running from a traffic stop is the safer alternative.

You might live in a police state.

(With apologies to Mr. Foxworthy )

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
50. Fear can be used to justify anything.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:46 AM
Nov 2013

Your argument equally applies to the assholes who passed the Patriot Act or the asshole with a shotgun who murders a 19 year old woman on his porch because he was afraid.

We need a better justification than "I was afraid."

brindis_desala

(907 posts)
59. You are confusing fear (subjective) with
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:21 PM
Nov 2013

threat, which based on the evidence, if you are poor and/or a minority is becoming transparently objective.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
60. All right, but then she shouldn't have been speeding
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:30 PM
Nov 2013

And the situation didn't escalate until she drove off from a routine traffic stop, and then did it again.

We can discuss the undeniable reality of DWB, but the bottom line is she left the scene, and in so doing she changed it from a speeding ticket to pursuit with probable cause. The same would be true even if it had been a white guy in a suit; flight from the scene is a crime in itself.


No one is defending the asshole cop who opened fire, by the way.

neffernin

(275 posts)
61. That being said
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:10 PM
Nov 2013

I have been pulled over for "speeding" by an angry cop before when I managed to raise up to over 2mph over the speed limit when he was going 5 under waiting for someone to pass him. After being harassed a bit he left with my ID and insurance so I ran across the parking lot after his vehicle to try to get his attention so I could get it back from him. He pulled his gun on me and told me to go back to my vehicle and that he didn't have my stuff. To this day I will not pass a cop.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
20. Just when you think you've....
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:38 PM
Nov 2013

... heard the worst thing ever imaginable, then you hear something like this. Children. What are we doing to our children? Everyday, every single day, some sort of child abuse event. And this one by the State of NY! WTF is wrong with this country? I think it all stems back to Ronald Reagan... he is the one, after all, who really started the austerity in this country. He wanted to shut down the government a lonnnnnggg time before Grover Norquist arrived on the scene.

I hope this young man gets the counseling & TLC that he deserves, and that he is remunerated profusely for the theft of 3 years of his life and for the abuse that he endured.

popsdenver

(14 posts)
21. I'll tell you what……….
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:47 PM
Nov 2013

If I were President Obama, I would call the Attorney General of the United States, at home, TONIGHT, and all Hell would break loose tomorrow morning.

A FULL investigation, people not only losing their jobs, but prosecuted……..and sentenced to Rikers for at least THREE years!!!!!!!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. That would be justice
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:26 PM
Nov 2013

And set a good example.

But hey, at least the kid is still alive. Many others are dead and buried already.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
51. ^^This. I usually don't like using that meme-speak label, but even so. This^^
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:47 AM
Nov 2013

The judge in PA who supplied the for-profit prison system with lots of innocent teenagers is facing jail time, at least. He should be an example for others of the same ilk.

Aaron8418

(18 posts)
33. My thoughts
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:12 PM
Nov 2013

See now there is the country i know, officers abusing their power and causing people heartache and dis pare. Also WTF WAS HE DOIN IN A PRISON FOR ANYWAY!! HE WAS 16!!!! Dude somebody needs to do something before " The People " Like the whole nation rises up and does it for you!

LittleGirl

(8,279 posts)
38. This is the saddest thing
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:40 PM
Nov 2013

I've read....today.

WTF? that poor kid lost 3 yrs of his life and how many more while he's in counseling to recover from that torture. Fuck.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
62. Agree and what that did to him
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:03 PM
Nov 2013

psychologically is something he will have to live with the rest of his life. That in itself seems like a crime.

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