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The Filibuster rules change has passed (Original Post) malaise Nov 2013 OP
WOOO HOOO! napkinz Nov 2013 #1
Kick & recommended. William769 Nov 2013 #2
Kick Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #3
It was necessary, but it's nothing to celebrate, IMO... Cooley Hurd Nov 2013 #4
Elections have consequences malaise Nov 2013 #5
I agree. Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #9
That simple malaise Nov 2013 #12
Yup YarnAddict Nov 2013 #14
This scares me too. Myrina Nov 2013 #51
Do you think Reid is capable of "ramming anything through" in the coming 3 years? Cal33 Nov 2013 #55
Reid is not that kinda guy. bvar22 Nov 2013 #129
They could have done it themselves if they had the majority. Gore1FL Nov 2013 #115
They think they are going to take it in 2014 YarnAddict Nov 2013 #123
This event doesn't enable or prevent them from doing so anyway. Gore1FL Nov 2013 #128
Agree. This cuts both ways. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #24
Agree to an extent. ProSense Nov 2013 #35
...and Thomas demosincebirth Nov 2013 #91
Because if the Republicans win they wouldn't change the rules? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #39
Good point PatSeg Nov 2013 #74
Well, hell! If the GOP ever DOES take the Senate back, we'll just change it back for 'em-- lastlib Nov 2013 #107
Yep, if they want everything THEIR way, PatSeg Nov 2013 #122
We'll still have the White House. And demographics favor a (D) White House in the future. Hosnon Nov 2013 #71
It brings us one step closer to being a democratic country quakerboy Nov 2013 #110
It won't matter Heathen57 Nov 2013 #114
Here comes the progressive wet dream Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #6
Wha? All it changes is the rules for Executive Branch nominations frazzled Nov 2013 #13
+1,000 n/t malaise Nov 2013 #18
And with Boehner as Speaker, we still can't get any bills passed, even if BlueStreak Nov 2013 #81
Well, I'm glad you pointed that out. I've been listening to all the progressive SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #119
Democrats do not filibuster. jeff47 Nov 2013 #126
There is a 200 year history of using it. It should be preserved. We'll just have to agree to SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #130
There's justices Alito and Roberts. jeff47 Nov 2013 #131
Our party has used the filibuster many times. We used it to block many of SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #132
Didn't read far enough, huh? jeff47 Nov 2013 #133
You said that we had *never* used the filibuster. I provided information that showed we did. SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #134
Please point to the word "never" in my posts. jeff47 Nov 2013 #135
I took that to mean that we have never used it. If you meant it another way, then SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #136
Obviously, you're not so obvious Capt. Obvious. polichick Nov 2013 #21
The rules have changed: Reid pulls trigger on nuclear option ProSense Nov 2013 #7
Now Mitch won't go blind ... napkinz Nov 2013 #19
Harry took Mitch's political lube and Hubert Flottz Nov 2013 #43
Is Levin running for re-election? bluestate10 Nov 2013 #30
Thank God the answer is no. He's retiring after 36 years. Rowdyboy Nov 2013 #32
Yes...Yes...Yes MyOpinion-2 Nov 2013 #8
Excellent. k&r n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #10
Right on, JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #11
Now things will get interesting! polichick Nov 2013 #15
k&r Little Star Nov 2013 #16
I'm genuinely stunned. This should have been done in January 2009, but Zorra Nov 2013 #17
Thank God. nt bluestate10 Nov 2013 #20
Republicans via the Tea Party overplayed their hand. no_hypocrisy Nov 2013 #22
In every fugging area malaise Nov 2013 #23
The GOP/teaparty is WEAK! tridim Nov 2013 #38
About time. Ganja Ninja Nov 2013 #25
He shoots, he scores! HappyMe Nov 2013 #26
I stand amazed. Jester Messiah Nov 2013 #27
Outstanding! Now we can get those judges confirmed. MineralMan Nov 2013 #28
Harry Reid took his time but got the job done Gothmog Nov 2013 #29
BOOYAH! SUCK IT, MITCH! n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #31
Great news! lillypaddle Nov 2013 #33
Pryor and Levin badgolfer Nov 2013 #34
K&R wandy Nov 2013 #36
Are you sure this is a good idea? kudzu22 Nov 2013 #37
And Republicans wouldn't make this same change because.........? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #42
They almost did but we shamed them out it kudzu22 Nov 2013 #52
And you think they are less radical today than they were back then? jeff47 Nov 2013 #53
Maybe, maybe not kudzu22 Nov 2013 #64
Trent Lott didn't get it because he did not have the votes. jeff47 Nov 2013 #105
If there is a President Cruz we would be to fucked upaloopa Nov 2013 #45
I agree cilla4progress Nov 2013 #68
So a consistently hijacked Senate Plucketeer Nov 2013 #46
The day that Cruz is elected president will be the advent of a Theocracy. olegramps Nov 2013 #48
Yes quakerboy Nov 2013 #112
They say... Darkest before the dawn... SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #40
Hooray! At last. Shrike47 Nov 2013 #41
Some of the points Reid brought up in his speech were stunning Ratty Nov 2013 #44
These points reflect what so many have forgotten Plucketeer Nov 2013 #54
Somewhere several angels Coolest Ranger Nov 2013 #47
Dems kickin' azzz flamingdem Nov 2013 #49
FINALLY REID GOES NUCLEAR!!!!! Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #50
Mark Pryor, tool: ProSense Nov 2013 #56
Apparently it is a requirement for Dems from Arkansas and Louisiana to act like Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #73
the pendulum swings both ways ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #57
nope scheming daemons Nov 2013 #58
if you say so... ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #60
So according to you, the Democrats should do nothing Cleita Nov 2013 #61
we'll see how it turns out ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #80
for 200 years, minority parties never filibustered nominees scheming daemons Nov 2013 #83
when the Democrats were filibustering the Bush judicial nominees ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #88
GOP has filibustered 28 Obama nominees in 5 years scheming daemons Nov 2013 #98
not disagreeing with that at all... ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #99
It didn't happen with every nominee Gore1FL Nov 2013 #116
Americans by 80-20 in polls hate the filibuster scheming daemons Nov 2013 #65
ok... we'll see... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #79
LOL Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #82
Two massive problems jeff47 Nov 2013 #127
K & R Liberal_Dog Nov 2013 #59
Hey, it's a rule.....it can be changed Uben Nov 2013 #62
Is it safe to.. adavid Nov 2013 #63
Yes, that would be safe to assume. To shut down this President and the majority of Americans mountain grammy Nov 2013 #92
Oh, I don't have a point... adavid Nov 2013 #124
I don't think it's simply spite malaise Nov 2013 #94
It was their stated purpose. Gore1FL Nov 2013 #117
Bad move Dopers_Greed Nov 2013 #66
You call this "record bad press"? annabanana Nov 2013 #85
Seriously, trying to remember the last time we got "good press!" mountain grammy Nov 2013 #93
Quote: "Republicans are on track to blue14u Nov 2013 #101
Great strategy and timing cilla4progress Nov 2013 #67
I'm just wild about Harry! Politicub Nov 2013 #69
Funny...after all the sturm and drang cilla4progress Nov 2013 #70
It's far past time for all the shit 'pukes have been creating to be shoved up their collective arses indepat Nov 2013 #72
Oh Hell Yes!!!!!!!!! Blue Idaho Nov 2013 #75
MADE MY DAY!! MoonRiver Nov 2013 #76
OK NOW I believe it. 99th_Monkey Nov 2013 #77
Finally! AndyA Nov 2013 #78
WHOA!!! Iggo Nov 2013 #84
k&r... spanone Nov 2013 #86
2014 congressional elections are even more important! UCmeNdc Nov 2013 #87
'Bought time we brought the war to them! CFLDem Nov 2013 #89
YAY!! YAY!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #90
Finally! You can't say we didn't try. This is way past due. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #95
amen. mcconnell has already said that dems will live to regret it. spanone Nov 2013 #96
He'll regret the elections next year when malaise Nov 2013 #97
I'm thinking McConnell is doing a bit of regretting at the moment Gore1FL Nov 2013 #118
Wow. I'm stunned. But glad! OnionPatch Nov 2013 #100
Hopefully, now that they've got their feet wet, the can kill the rest of the filibuster too AND grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #102
Good news! pacalo Nov 2013 #103
K&R gademocrat7 Nov 2013 #104
Hey, GOPee! Don't get so upset-- lastlib Nov 2013 #106
Long overdue 2naSalit Nov 2013 #108
The RW Freakout is funny. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #109
Now, where will the Conservatives in our Party hide?! Can't hide behind the always-obstructive GOP blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #111
Can we reverse five years, getting eight years work done in three? ffr Nov 2013 #113
Sometimes it seems the USA has just one problem, Republicans Coyotl Nov 2013 #120
YAY! Now I'm changing my sig to an anti-Gerrymander campaign! cprise Nov 2013 #121
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #125
 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
14. Yup
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

I think the Repukes were pushing for Reid to do this because they think they can take the Senate next year and bring up the "Reid precedent" to ram through their regressive agenda.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
129. Reid is not that kinda guy.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:19 PM
Nov 2013

The Democrats took the Senate in 2006, and Harry Reid was elected by the Senate Democratic Caucus to be their spokesman & leader.
He has been re-elected at the beginning every session since then.

There is a reason why the Senate Democrats keep choosing a milquetoast, indecisive, "moderate" from a conservative state with a reputation for bi-partisanship to be their spokesman and leader.
They LIKE the "job" he is doing.

Gore1FL

(21,102 posts)
115. They could have done it themselves if they had the majority.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:09 PM
Nov 2013

How would it benefit them to make it easier for Obama's nominations to go through if they won the Senate in 2016?

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
123. They think they are going to take it in 2014
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 07:36 AM
Nov 2013

They will then be able to block nominations by a simple majority--and expect them to extend the nuclear option to legislation, Supreme Court Justices, etc. It will become tyranny of the majority.

Gore1FL

(21,102 posts)
128. This event doesn't enable or prevent them from doing so anyway.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:44 AM
Nov 2013

They can block judges now with a simple minority. If I had to have "tyranny," I'd rather have it by rule of the elected majority than elected minority.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
35. Agree to an extent.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:02 PM
Nov 2013

The filibuster never worked as well for Democrats as it did for Republicans. There were always enough Democrats to screw up a Democratic filibuster attempt (think Alito).

Even here, you see Democratic defections.

This was sorely needed

168 filibusters of nominees in our history. HALF of them have occurred during Obama years!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024069779

PatSeg

(47,279 posts)
74. Good point
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:30 PM
Nov 2013

We can't keep on like this because the Democrats might be in the minority some day. They might as well be the minority with the way the republicans abuse the filibuster rules.

lastlib

(23,159 posts)
107. Well, hell! If the GOP ever DOES take the Senate back, we'll just change it back for 'em--
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:51 PM
Nov 2013

then they'll have nothing to be upset about!

But right now, we wanna get some shit done, and we need the people in place to do it--those fucks were in the way..............

PatSeg

(47,279 posts)
122. Yep, if they want everything THEIR way,
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 01:06 AM
Nov 2013

maybe they need to win some elections. Meanwhile, they might try governing. A country can't go years with a government that does NOTHING. Well, I guess it can, but the outcome is undesirable.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
71. We'll still have the White House. And demographics favor a (D) White House in the future.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:20 PM
Nov 2013

It's an unfortunate occurrence, but perhaps not as risky as many think.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
110. It brings us one step closer to being a democratic country
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:43 PM
Nov 2013

That is something to celebrate. This would be a good thing whether Democrats had a 95 vote senate margin or a 47 vote minority.

Heathen57

(573 posts)
114. It won't matter
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:42 PM
Nov 2013

if the GOP do take the Senate in 2014 (and that is a very big if) you can bet that they would immediately change the rules themselves because they wouldn't want the Dems to pull the same junk they have been doing all this time.

The majority of the citizens know not to trust a Republican Senator to keep his own word, especially McConnell. He has a history of giving his solemn vow to let the Senate function as it is supposed to, and then going back on it faster than the government does on American Native treaties.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
13. Wha? All it changes is the rules for Executive Branch nominations
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

Filibusters on legislation are still possible (and probable).

But this is great: a whole slew of Obama nominees to courts and agencies can be put in place for the last 3 years of his administration.

There was nothing to lose here: we approve Republican presidents' nominees 95% of the time anyway. They've blocked 95% of Obama's nominees.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
81. And with Boehner as Speaker, we still can't get any bills passed, even if
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:41 PM
Nov 2013

there were new restrictions on fillibustering regular bills, which there aren't.

But I guess the fact that the House won't go along is pretty obvious.

This is a good move. As you said, there are few appointments that Dems have ever opposed. And clearly the GOP has perverted this whole thing, screwing up the lives and reputations of a great many very qualifies public servants completely unnecessarily.

Let's hope that this means the Dems are finally learning how important it is to opposed the manipulation of the Judiciary that has been such a high priority for the GOP since Reagan. It will take another 20 years to reverse that damage, but at least today we take the first step.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
119. Well, I'm glad you pointed that out. I've been listening to all the progressive
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 11:41 PM
Nov 2013

shows on XM today, and a lot of folks were under the impression that the filibuster was gone for everything. Not the case. Only for judicial and cabinet appointments, and not for the Supreme Court.

I can't say that I am in favor though. This could come back to haunt us in a few years. I personally believe that the filibuster has a very defined purpose and shouldn't be abandoned as it gives the minority some power to stop the majority from running over them.

Have the repukes abused it? Absolutely. But with that said, I still wouldn't have changed the rules for some undefined short term political gains.

Be very careful what you wish for.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
126. Democrats do not filibuster.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:34 AM
Nov 2013

Fact is Democrats did not use the filibuster to stop extreme Republican nominees.

If Democrats aren't going to use the tool anyway, there is no reason to preserve it.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
130. There is a 200 year history of using it. It should be preserved. We'll just have to agree to
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

disagree on this one.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
131. There's justices Alito and Roberts.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 04:29 PM
Nov 2013

The fact that it existed for 200 years does not mean Democrats actually used it to stop extreme Republican nominees.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
132. Our party has used the filibuster many times. We used it to block many of
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:42 PM
Nov 2013

*bush's more extreme executive nominees. At the time, many of our liberal elites (Tribe, Sunstein) favored it and advocated strongly for its use. I find it curious that our party is now advocating for it to stop.

During the 108th Congress in which the Republicans regained control of the Senate by a 51-49 margin, the nominees that the Senate Democrats had blocked in the 107th Congress began to be moved through the now Republican Senate Judiciary Committee.[10] Subsequently Senate Democrats started to filibuster judicial nominees.

On February 12, 2003, Miguel Estrada, a nominee for the D.C. Circuit, became the first court of appeals nominee ever to be successfully filibustered.[citation needed] Later, nine other conservative court of appeals nominees were also filibustered. These nine were Priscilla Owen, Charles W. Pickering, Carolyn Kuhl, David W. McKeague, Henry Saad, Richard Allen Griffin, William H. Pryor, William Gerry Myers III and Janice Rogers Brown.[11] Three of the nominees (Estrada, Pickering and Kuhl) withdrew their nominations before the end of the 108th Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_judicial_appointment_controversies

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
133. Didn't read far enough, huh?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:57 PM
Nov 2013

Keep reading further in your article, and discover what happened to these judicial nominees.

Hint: All but 2 of them ended up on the bench.

So, what was that you were saying about "many times?".

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
134. You said that we had *never* used the filibuster. I provided information that showed we did.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:31 AM
Nov 2013

And, by the way, I *did* read the entire article and was quite aware of the outcomes. As to being used many times, I just pointed out a brief period in history where it was used 11 times, and was successful twice. My facts are still in order. Yours are still falling quite short.

I stand by my opinion and strong belief that the filibuster should not be removed as a tool of the minority in Congress in exchange for short term political gain. It's just stupid and will come back to bite us big time.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
135. Please point to the word "never" in my posts.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:35 PM
Nov 2013
I stand by my opinion and strong belief that the filibuster should not be removed as a tool of the minority in Congress in exchange for short term political gain. It's just stupid and will come back to bite us big time.

And I merely pointed out that Democrats don't make sufficient use of the filibuster to outweigh Republican abuse of it.

You will not find a more horrifically conservative nominee than Owen, and we did not stop her even though the filibuster was available. If we will not stop nominees like her, then there's no reason to keep the filibuster.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
136. I took that to mean that we have never used it. If you meant it another way, then
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:45 PM
Nov 2013

my apologies. As to the nomination of Owens, I agree. My point was, and is, that we will suffer the same fate when the next *Owens* comes up for a vote in a Republican controlled Senate.

Democrats do not filibuster.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. The rules have changed: Reid pulls trigger on nuclear option
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:41 PM
Nov 2013
The rules have changed: Reid pulls trigger on nuclear option

by Joan McCarter

Kaboom! Republicans dared Harry Reid to do it, and he just did, finally. The Senate has voted to change the filibuster rules, 52-48. Democrats Carl Levin, Joe Manchin, Mark Pryor voted against changing the rule.

The new rule that will allow just a simple majority vote for all nominees expect for the Supreme Court. For the remainder of this Congress, President Obama's nominees will only need 51 votes to be appointed. What that means immediately is that, while the Republicans continue to play games to delay action on the Defense Authorization, the nominations of Patricia Millett, Nina Pillard, and Roberts Wilkins to the D.C. Circuit can move forward. So can the nomination of Rep. Mel Watt to the federal housing agency. In other words, the Senate can start functioning again. At least on nominations.

This will likely just further enrage Republicans, making them even more obnoxious and obstructionist. So next stop, ending the filibuster on legislation. That will probably happen at the beginning of the next Congress, January, 2015.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/21/1257318/-The-rules-have-changed


Almost Anticlimactic

David Kurtz

I don't know what I expected. Maybe the phrase "nuclear option" conjured some cataclysmic moment on the Senate floor when Harry Reid presses a cartoonish red button and Mitch McConnell, tie askew and hair mussed, shouts an anguished "Noooooo" while lunging to stop him.

But there's no such dramatics on the Senate floor. Not even anyone raising a cane.

Instead, through a series of votes the Senate rules are being changed, one aye (or nay) at a time. Real anger among Republicans, don't get me wrong. Real historic changes to be sure.

But the threat of the filibuster changes, made endlessly for years, carried such implications of high drama and momentousness, that the rather mundane way it actually happens seems almost anticlimactic.

It makes you wonder why it didn't happen sooner.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/filibuster-senate-rules-nuclear-option

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
30. Is Levin running for re-election?
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:55 PM
Nov 2013

He has been a continuous problem on principled votes. There are a lot of aggressive Democrats in Michigan that would do a much better job in his seat, 2014 would be an idea time to elect one of them, if not then 2016 will be an excellent chance. We need to get rid of Levin. Manchin and Pryor are tougher calls, given the redness of the states they represent.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
17. I'm genuinely stunned. This should have been done in January 2009, but
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:46 PM
Nov 2013

better late than never.

Charlie Brown actually kicked a field goal. Well, I'll be darned.

badgolfer

(244 posts)
34. Pryor and Levin
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:01 PM
Nov 2013

Have these two guys ever used the filibuster?

If they have never or hardly ever used, why are they so against the change?

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
37. Are you sure this is a good idea?
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:03 PM
Nov 2013

Harry Reid was a champion of the filibuster vs. GWB's nominees. What would the government look like if they had all been confirmed? Are you ready for President Cruz's nominees to sail through over democrat objections?

Be careful what you wish for.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
52. They almost did but we shamed them out it
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:36 PM
Nov 2013

I guess nobody here remembers Trent Lott wanting to end the filibuster for judicial nominees so W could pack the courts, and Harry Reid and Robert Byrd fighting righteously against it. Congrats, we just did their dirty work for them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
53. And you think they are less radical today than they were back then?
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:37 PM
Nov 2013

Back then, there were still some "old school" Republicans. And the Democrats let almost every nominee through anyway. Heck, they let through people they previously filibustered as part of the deal.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
64. Maybe, maybe not
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:58 PM
Nov 2013

The point is we won't have to find out how far they'll go. I can't wrap my head around DUers celebrating the passage of something Trent Lott wanted. I have dire fears about how this will play out.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
105. Trent Lott didn't get it because he did not have the votes.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:37 PM
Nov 2013

What makes you think McConnell would not have the votes?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
46. So a consistently hijacked Senate
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

was better? The only positive thing prior to this was that the senators had more time to look for money for their next election.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
48. The day that Cruz is elected president will be the advent of a Theocracy.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:30 PM
Nov 2013

If it happens, I will be gland that at my advanced age it wouldn't have to live very long to tolerate these absolute nitwits running the show. In fact with their End-Time beliefs they would most probably start a nuclear war to usher in the Last Days.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
112. Yes
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:14 PM
Nov 2013

on two levels.

First, it brings us closer to democracy. The filibuster is a profoundly anti-democratic mechanism, in a body that by its very construction already is skewing the democratic voice of the people. It is an inherent win to reduce its power.

Second, chief justice Roberts. Short hand for "Filibusters don't work when it matters". They screw us when D's have the majority and fail us when we are in the minority.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
40. They say... Darkest before the dawn...
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:10 PM
Nov 2013

These are dark days indeed. The cold war is over. Reed had fired the open shot of what will be a frightful battle. If we do not stand together, VOTE like the future is in peril we will be crushed. We are NOT in a fight with a school yard bully that will back down when confronted. We are now in a battle with killers.

The Right and the Corporatist will now unleash there forces from hell.

Dark days indeed.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
44. Some of the points Reid brought up in his speech were stunning
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

I knew the Republicans were being obstructive but the actual numbers made my jaw drop.

In the history of the Republic, there have been 168 filibusters of executive and judicial nominations. Half of them have occurred during the Obama Administration – during the last four and a half years.

Further, only 23 district court nominees have been filibustered in the entire history of this country. Twenty of them were nominated by President Obama.

In July, after obstructing dozens of executive nominees for months, and some for years, Republicans once again promised that they would end their unprecedented obstruction. One look at the Senate’s Executive Calendar shows nothing has changed since July. Republicans have continued their record obstruction as if no agreement had ever been reached.


Thanks for the transcript Capt. Obvious

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
54. These points reflect what so many have forgotten
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:40 PM
Nov 2013

That is that the minority leader stated outright, that their primary goal was to impede and inhibit ANYTHING that the Obama administration tried to achieve. Since July, McConnell's handshake has proven to be anything BUT a gesture of contract. His handshake would more appropriately be termed a Jest-ure - as it's obvious he was only joking. Of course - listening to Grassley grovel and grouse his disapproval as I type this, I have to wonder how intensely he'll bitch about it should his side regain the leadership. Tough luck, GOP. Enjoy your Tea Party embracement. THIS is what they've delivered for you. Maybe you could try your hand at making some lemonade.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
73. Apparently it is a requirement for Dems from Arkansas and Louisiana to act like
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:29 PM
Nov 2013

Republicans at least 49% of the time.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
58. nope
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:50 PM
Nov 2013

Gop was going to do it the next time they took the senate, so we might as well fill the vacancies while we can.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
60. if you say so...
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

but it will always be the Democrats that did it... so they will take the blame. the american people are too uninformed to know and when it DOES come back (and it will) they will say, "Remember when the Democrats in the Senate moved to reduce the power of the filibuster... I bet we wish it was still there."

Mark my words...

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
61. So according to you, the Democrats should do nothing
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:56 PM
Nov 2013

so they don't get the blame? Strange reasoning here.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
80. we'll see how it turns out
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:37 PM
Nov 2013

i will be happy to eat crow if when a republican is in power and has a narrow lead in the senate if people aren't complaining about how they wish there was a way to block those damned nominees...

sP

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
83. for 200 years, minority parties never filibustered nominees
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:47 PM
Nov 2013

It is recent phenomenon that began during Clinton's term.

Straight up or down vote. That is what the constitution prescribed, and that's how it should be.

Elections have consequences. If and when the GOP holds the presidency and senate, they SHOULD get votes on their nominees, because the people put them in power.

The filibuster has been used as a way to nullify presidential elections, and it shouldn't.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
88. when the Democrats were filibustering the Bush judicial nominees
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:11 PM
Nov 2013

no one here was screaming for it to end. in fact, I recall how 'principled' the 'opposition' party was being in holding up the nominations. it took the gang of 14 to break the impasse... if you are willing to suffer the future 'elections have consequences' statements, then ok... because as I said, the pendulum swings both ways.

sP

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
98. GOP has filibustered 28 Obama nominees in 5 years
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:01 PM
Nov 2013

Dems filibustered 7 Bush nominations in 8 years.


Nowhere near the same.

Gore1FL

(21,102 posts)
116. It didn't happen with every nominee
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:15 PM
Nov 2013

It also didn't happen with every vote.

The GOP minority have not been good stewards of the filibuster.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
65. Americans by 80-20 in polls hate the filibuster
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:59 PM
Nov 2013

If you think weakening the filibuster hurts at the ballot box, you don't understand politics.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
82. LOL
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:42 PM
Nov 2013

They would have done it anyways.

Might as well punch the repubs in the face now and get some judges appointed.

Fuck 'em.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
127. Two massive problems
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:37 AM
Nov 2013

First, the Republicans are far more radical than they have ever been. They were going to eliminate the filibuster the moment it benefited them.

Second, Alito and Roberts: Democrats do not use the filibuster.

Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
59. K & R
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

The Senate's role is "advise and consent" on nominations.

It's role is not "advise and stop".

The Dems did not really have a choice but to do this and I am glad that they did.

Uben

(7,719 posts)
62. Hey, it's a rule.....it can be changed
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:56 PM
Nov 2013

Dems could get all their nominees appointed then change the rule back....no? I mean, since the republicans hate the nuclear option so bad, they would never use it....would they?

Good move Harry! The republicans are eating some of the stuff they serve....but it tastes different. Hmmm?

 

adavid

(140 posts)
63. Is it safe to..
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:56 PM
Nov 2013

assume that the ONLY reason the teaparty fascists abused the filibuster appointing rules of the POTUS, was out of spite?

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
92. Yes, that would be safe to assume. To shut down this President and the majority of Americans
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:42 PM
Nov 2013

who elected him. Your point is?

 

adavid

(140 posts)
124. Oh, I don't have a point...
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:36 AM
Nov 2013

I am just trying to understand this new form of a fascist teabagger mindset. Kind of like the spoiled toddler who breaks his toy, then decides to break all of the other kids' toys, just so that the others cannot play with their toys either.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
66. Bad move
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:05 PM
Nov 2013

I'm going to take heat for this post, but here goes...

-The "liberal" media is going to rip the Dems on this, making it seem like they changed the rules for their own benefit. And at a time when we and Obama are getting record bad press.

-The Repugs are on track to crush us in the next couple elections, and when that happens, we'll wish we had the filibuster.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
93. Seriously, trying to remember the last time we got "good press!"
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:46 PM
Nov 2013

Anyone who thinks we're worried about "bad press" at this point just walked out of his talking points cave.

blue14u

(575 posts)
101. Quote: "Republicans are on track to
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:27 PM
Nov 2013


crush us in the next couple of elections"???? What???

I read a lot of politics, and keep up with what's going on...

I have not seen or heard this anywhere.

Where do you get this information?

As for the "RULES CHANGE"... I am thrilled. As far as I can

see, Elizabeth Warren (POTUS 2016) was very adamant in how she felt about this

obstruction being to nullify our POTUS.. I think I will go with her reasoning.. I trust her judgment on this and have no fear of the Democrats keeping office and winning many more 2014 and 2016...
2014 will be a winner for us, just like VA was a couple of weeks ago..

E. Warren is there, in real time, paying attention, and is aware of how this would affect us now, and in the future. She agreed with the change..

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
69. I'm just wild about Harry!
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
Nov 2013

He actually did it this time!

Now it's time to get fair and impartial judges seated to blunt the effect of the conservative ideologues placed by the GOP.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
72. It's far past time for all the shit 'pukes have been creating to be shoved up their collective arses
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:27 PM
Nov 2013

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
75. Oh Hell Yes!!!!!!!!!
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:30 PM
Nov 2013

Its about time - and I think we all know the New Teabagger Confederacy would not hesitate to do this the next time they control the senate.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
76. MADE MY DAY!!
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:31 PM
Nov 2013

Can't wait to hear about all those good Dem judicial appointees finally being approved!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
77. OK NOW I believe it.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:34 PM
Nov 2013

I said I wouldn't believe Reid "would" do it, until he actually fucking DID it.

Harry made a believer out of me today. Woot!!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
90. YAY!! YAY!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:14 PM
Nov 2013

HOORAY!!!!!



fuck you, horrible ugly game playing fuckwad manipulating lying hypocritical scumbag self-righteous heartless evil putrid loathsome greedy soulless repukes!!!

spanone

(135,795 posts)
96. amen. mcconnell has already said that dems will live to regret it.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:51 PM
Nov 2013

which tells me they plan on abusing the hell out of it.

so i say let's abuse it first.

Gore1FL

(21,102 posts)
118. I'm thinking McConnell is doing a bit of regretting at the moment
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:19 PM
Nov 2013

If he could be trusted to work for the good of the country, this wouldn't have been necessary.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
102. Hopefully, now that they've got their feet wet, the can kill the rest of the filibuster too AND
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:41 PM
Nov 2013

it maybe just might stave off a few legislative filibusters from the R's

lastlib

(23,159 posts)
106. Hey, GOPee! Don't get so upset--
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:47 PM
Nov 2013
IF you ever do get the Senate back, we'll change it back for ya!

(Don't go away mad, Pukers--just go away!)

2naSalit

(86,332 posts)
108. Long overdue
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:09 PM
Nov 2013

but at least they did it. And it isn't for the entire spectrum of legislative issues, this is very specific.

About f'ing time.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
111. Now, where will the Conservatives in our Party hide?! Can't hide behind the always-obstructive GOP
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:06 PM
Nov 2013
as a Cover anymore. Or can they?

ffr

(22,665 posts)
113. Can we reverse five years, getting eight years work done in three?
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:30 PM
Nov 2013

Imagine a world without Republis and their obstructionist backward ways.

I envision sidewalks plated in gold, where everyone has a smile on their face, and doesn't have to work like a slave, always worried about their next paycheck.

Get involved. Speak out. Get others interested. Register Democrats. GOTV! And let's put this menace out to pasture for good.

Bye-bye Mitch!

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