Paul Ryan: Poor People Need Jesus, Not Food Stamps

[applegrove]

Paul Ryan: Poor People Need Jesus, Not Food Stamps

By Jonathan Chait at New York Magazine

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/11/paul-ryan-poor-people-need-jesus-not-food.html

"SNIP...................................



Ryan’s new line seems similar to the old one:

“Paul wants people to dream again,” Holloway said of Ryan. “You don’t dream when you’ve got food stamps.”

In fact, lots of people who survived on food stamps — like J.K. Rowling — went on to achieve great things.

The other emerging element of Ryan’s anti-poverty agenda is Jesus:

“You cure poverty eye to eye, soul to soul,” he said last week at the Heritage forum. “Spiritual redemption: That’s what saves people.”




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[JaneyVee]

1. Is there a recipe Paul Ryan could recommend on how to prepare Jesus?

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Afaik, there is only one dish. You pray over a cracker that becomes Jesus.

And serve it with shitty wine.

[JaneyVee]

7. Holy infant so tender and mild. Sounds delicious!

[Marie Marie]

19. JaneyVee - you are a very bad girl.

Very very bad! A spanking for you: May I add: ?

[renie408]

54. Kudos

That was awesome.

[LuvNewcastle]

61. Sounds kind of bland to me.

[Codeine]

68. A dash of frankincense and a sprinkle of myrrh will fix that right up.

Best damn treat in all of Galilee.

[Lithos]

70. Hmmm

Why do I think that Paul Ryan has confused the Twilight version of "To Serve Man" with the one supposedly espoused by Jesus....

[PhilosopherKing]

3. Isn't he admitting, in a way

That religion is the opiate of the masses, as Marx would have put it?

[Cal Carpenter]

4. Then go be a preacher

not a politician.

Fuckhead.

[PumpkinAle]

5. J.K. Rowling is Scottish

she had free health care, etc. because she lived in a "socialist" country. Ms. Rowling has now also donated money to charity to help others.

If Jesus said what they say he said in the spirit he said it, he would not be the Man that a whole religion is based on - he would be an effing Republican who despises anyone lower than him and worse off than him, while wanting more, more, more for himself.

[Lucinda]

26. FWIW - She's not Scottish - was born in Yate, England

though she has in the past, and may now, live in Scotland.

[Laelth]

47. Didn't know that. Thanks. n/t

-Laelth

[PumpkinAle]

49. Thanks

I knew her Mother was part Scottish and a sister lived in Scotland.

[elehhhhna]

67. She's white.

[hrmjustin]

6. .

[Thinkingabout]

8. Food stamps for people, farm subsidies to farmers of which some farms are corporations.

Maybe the same amount of funds should be divided between food stamps and farm subsidies. Many farmers votes for GOP candidates. There is a connection here.

[Paulie]

9. Who among you when your brother asks for bread gives him a stone?

[sakabatou]

10. Where's my clue-by-four?!

[Blue Owl]

11. Too bad Obama locked up the body of Christ during the shutdown

[PoliticAverse]

12. Well I recall in the story Jesus did give away a lot of free food... n/t

[LuvNewcastle]

62. He doesn't do that anymore. I think I'll take the food stamps.

[PoliticAverse]

64. Yeah the Republican Jesus doesn't seem to be much like the book one... n/t

[Vashta Nerada]

13. Yes.

Because praying to Jesus can fill an empty stomach.



What a moron.

[TlalocW]

14. The first thing Jesus would say to Ryan if they ever met would be

Feed the poor.

TlalocW

[DesertFlower]

16. i agree. nt

[DesertFlower]

17. i agree. nt

[QC]

65. Or, "get thee behind me, Satan." n/t

[safeinOhio]

15. There will be lots of

Pie in the sky when you die.

[nyquil_man]

18. Maybe if he sold his possessions and gave to the poor

as Christ commanded, he'd have an easier time convincing them of the truth of his faith.

Edit: And no, washing pots and pans that have already been washed is not helpful.

[Marie Marie]

20. I think it is Ryan who need spiritual redemption.

And I say that eye to eye, soul to soul with him. Why do so called Christians behave so un-Christian?

[Art_from_Ark]

37. "Why do so-called Christians behave so un-Christian?"

I think it may have something to do with the belief that you don't really have to follow the *teachings* of Christ, all you have to do is accept Him as your Saviour, even if you have done nothing but rotten things all your life and you are on your death bed when you make your acceptance speech.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

21. What a fucking clown. I grew up with periods where my parents had

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Food assistance for us 4 kids. Even that is not really enough for growing kids so we grew food, people were helpful....but I don't know what we would have done without that baseline level of support. Mind you, during these periods BOTH of my parents worked.

Paul Ryan can go fuck himself with a tricorn hat.

I grew up appreciative of those benefits even though my mom was ashamed we had to use them and us kids were ashamed to use reduced/free lunches. What happened was us kids had a fighting chance to do well and make something of ourselves. Often, the dream being actuized is of the growing child who Needs healthy food to prosper while their parents break their backs Hoping to build something better.

Repuicans love fetuses, but they show with their every word and action they hate poor children even though those kids are poor through no fault of their own.

[tsuki]

22. So says the Social Security baby. What a f%cking

fraud.

[ismnotwasm]

23. I was on food stamps

Went on to become a nurse. Didn't meet Jesus, but I sure had help with Pell grants and community colleges.

What an ass.

[Butch McQueen]

24. Wait a Second... Isn't This The Same Paul Ryan...

Who is always praising atheist Ayn Rand's message of how moral it is to be selfish? No slam at those who are atheist, I have my share of uncertainty in that regard myself. Still, it seems to me Paul Ryan needs to either get on the Jesus bandwagon... Oh wait a minute it was that pesky Jesus that said:

‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

I guess maybe he had better stick to the Ayn Rand side of his nature least he be labeled a fucking hypocrite! I simply can't believe the unmitigated gall of these people - distorting the truth to suit their agenda and talking out both sides of their ass at the same time. Sorry to be so worked up here, but these people are starting to really bug me!

Butch

[Cha]

25. Fuck off you fucking ayn rand, hypocrite

[MADem]

28. And wasn't Ayn Rand an atheist? He seems to have his deities and his icons all muddled! nt

[Cha]

30. What I heard.. and, I also heard that she got SS and medicare when

she got sick.

If Ayn Needed Medicare, How Can We Do Without?

snip//

"In 2011, news broke that notorious libertarian/objectivist Ayn Rand had accepted Social Security and Medicare in the 1970s after she was diagnosed with lung cancer (unsurprisingly she was a cigarette-cancer connection denier). Among liberal circles, a lot of attention was paid to the hypocrisy angle of all this (and much more to taking SS cheques than enrolling in Medicare). A person who spent her life railing against collectivism and dependency accepting the benefits of the very programs her beliefs called "evil."

Hypocrisy isn't the important thing here. Ideological failure is.

To the defenders of Rand, the most common reply is that Rand had paid into these programs through her involuntarily seized taxes, and if she was going to be forced ("at gunpoint" as libertarians always say) to pay for these programs, why shouldn't she at least get something back from them? Actually, I don't really disagree with that. Liberals didn't support the Bush tax cuts, but I doubt many liberals gave back the government the extra taxes they would have had to pay under the Clinton rates after the tax cuts passed. You're not typically morally obligated to martyr yourself for your beliefs.

No, the really important fact that this episode reveals is not Rand's hypocrisy, but the utter failure of her ideas. Even she couldn't live without the social safety net. Here's how the woman who persuaded her to take part in socialism explained it to a fellow objectivist in 1998 (emphasis added)"

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/16/1121029/-If-Ayn-Needed-Medicare-How-Can-We-Do-Without

Paul Ryan threw "Jesus" in there because he knew it would go over better than his personal hero.

[MADem]

40. That is a great little argument, there! nt

[Hekate]

43. Isn't this the same guy that makes Ayn Rand required reading for his staff...

... and gives away copies of Atlas Shrugged for Christmas? How is that remotely compatible with being any kind of Christian, much less a Roman Catholic?

Oh God, save us from your putative followers.

[MADem]

27. Unless Jesus is the dude driving the grocery delivery truck, I don't think he's right on that score.

[stopbush]

29. Poverty = reality. Food stamps = a way to mitigate poverty. Jesus = make believe.

I'm going with food stamps.

[hrmjustin]

31. Ryan needs to reread the gospels.

[elleng]

32. OMDog!

[Aaron8418]

33. My thoughts

Now here you have a right wing, conservative, Republican, fascist crap hole. Go to hell Paul Ryan, what you say makes no sense what so ever and is lame, see of course a rich spoiled brat such as yourself that has always had money would say some stupid shit like that. I happen to need food stamps because i have a disability, so shut your mouth and stick your money in the only place it counts, up your ass!!

[Jamaal510]

34. People like Paul Ryan

are a big reason reason why an increasing amount of people look down on religion now. The asinine things that the pseudo-Christians of the Right say are a disgrace to all religious people, and especially Christians.

[applegrove]

36. I agree. Everything he says, every policystatement,

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every plan for the people, always diminishes said people. I don‘t know if he gets a kick out of it but he just implied that poor people don‘t dream and that religious people are too stupid to see through his libertarian ass.

[MillennialDem]

35. Hey Paul, do middle class kids need their dead parents social security instead of or

in addition to Jesus?

[mazzarro]

38. Just guessing

By Paul Ryan's standard, the rich, wealthy and well-fed have more Jesus than the poor - hence Paul's recommendation.

[eShirl]

41. And how does being a Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver affect one's ability to dream?

Republicans!

[LeftishBrit]

42. J.K. Rowling would be horrified by this statement

She donated a million pounds to the Labour Party in the last election, specifically because of the Tories being worse on preventing child poverty:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3021309/Harry-Potter-author-JK-Rowling-gives-1-million-to-Labour.html

She is, by the way, a practicing Christian (Scottish Episcopal Church), but unlike Ryan, doesn't think this requires you to support kicking poor people.

Incidentally, though she was on benefits at one time, she was never on 'food stamps', as these are not part of the system in the UK.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Yeah, I bet he leaves those fucking phony $10 tips, too.

Fucking Objectivist Turd.

[quaker bill]

45. "Saved" people are often still poor and hungry.

[baldguy]

46. The corollary to this anti-Christian dogma is that only the rich are blessed by God.

If you're poor, you're a sinner & there's something wrong with you. That type of bullshit makes it very convenient to demonize advocates of social justice & keep the riff-raff in line.

[Scuba]

48. Here's the cure ...

http://www.robzerban.com/

[OnionPatch]

50. What an incredibly ignorant thing to say.

You don't dream when you have food stamps? What an elitist! He must think we proles aspire to nothing more than a full stomach. People whose hearts are full of hatred for the less fortunate (like him) are the ones who need spiritual redemption.

[City Lights]

51. Ah yes, more "compassionate" conservatism from a GOPer.

If you're hungry, just pray harder!

What a wanker.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. But Jesus thought people needed food.

There was that loaves and fishes thing - he could have told the people who came to hear him, you don't need food, all you have to do is listen to me and god will take care of everything. But it is said that he managed to come up with (conjure up?) enough bread and fish to feed a whole crowd, because they needed food.

Would Ryan say Jesus shouldn't have given food to the crowd because he was just enabling them and maybe just bribing them to stay and listen to him? Wouldn't that be heresy?

[ever4lasting]

53. We need less people like ryan

This is why we are unable to solve our poverty issues. don't worry about eating just pray that you can eat.

[Blue Owl]

55. Jesus wouldn't want anyone to have loaves or fishes, right Paul?

n/t

[Arugula Latte]

56. Face it, Paul. Your imaginary friend is not going to come through for hungry people.

[WinkyDink]

57. Food stamps do, however, allow people to EAT.

[notadmblnd]

58. Yeah, poor people really need Jesus.

They need Jesus to come down and shove his foot up the ass of people like Ryan.

[MFM008]

59. WWJD?

he would slap the shit out of Ryan and idiots that think like him.

[Quantess]

60. How can we take away his taxpayer funded income?

That leech is sucking off the taxpayers' teats!
Paul Ryan gets a fat pacheck directly skimmed from taxpayers.
That mooch needs to go find a real job! Asshole.

[QC]

63. His idol would be very disappointed in him.

[elehhhhna]

66. BREAKING: Jesus Shocked That Jesus vs. Food for the Poor is Either/OR Proposition In America

If you exist please smite that muthafuckah down, stat.

[Volaris]

69. I'll give them credit for tenacity, at least they keep trying lol. But let's analyze, Shall We?

Firstly, It's a hell of a lot easier to dream if you're not starving to death. Maslow's Pyramid, motherfucker. I straight up DARE the GOP to start denying the science of human psychology next (and that's not even the hard stuff, that's high-school-level, 095 level PSYCH right there).

Second...as someone brought up in the Catholic Tradition, yeah, I think spiritual redemption CAN be important to a lot of peoples' outlook, and therefore, overall well-being. But you can't EAT THAT. It's why the man from Nazareth went out of his way to actually FEED PEOPLE.

Anymore, the more they try, the more they FAIL. And even the not-so-smart people are starting to catch wise.
Fuck Paul Ryan.

[Quixote1818]

71. Paul Ryan is a fake Christian. He worships Ayn Rand who despised Christianity. He is a fraud period!

NT