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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:25 AM Nov 2013

Paul Krugman: Expanding Social Security


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/opinion/krugman-expanding-social-security.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1&

For many years there has been one overwhelming rule for people who wanted to be considered serious inside the Beltway. It was this: You must declare your willingness to cut Social Security in the name of “entitlement reform.” It wasn’t really about the numbers, which never supported the notion that Social Security faced an acute crisis. It was instead a sort of declaration of identity, a way to show that you were an establishment guy, willing to impose pain (on other people, as usual) in the name of fiscal responsibility.

But a funny thing has happened in the past year or so. Suddenly, we’re hearing open discussion of the idea that Social Security should be expanded, not cut. Talk of Social Security expansion has even reached the Senate, with Tom Harkin introducing legislation that would increase benefits. A few days ago Senator Elizabeth Warren gave a stirring floor speech making the case for expanded benefits.

Where is this coming from? One answer is that the fiscal scolds driving the cut-Social-Security orthodoxy have, deservedly, lost a lot of credibility over the past few years. (Giving the ludicrous Paul Ryan an award for fiscal responsibility? And where’s my debt crisis?) Beyond that, America’s overall retirement system is in big trouble. There’s just one part of that system that’s working well: Social Security. And this suggests that we should make that program stronger, not weaker.
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Paul Krugman: Expanding Social Security (Original Post) eridani Nov 2013 OP
2 problems with this article... magical thyme Nov 2013 #1
2.cont. ...4. Not everyone has gotten far enough ahead to have money to manage. n/t Alkene Nov 2013 #5
Number 5.... daleanime Nov 2013 #8
Oh, So Very True!!! ChiciB1 Nov 2013 #9
This story needs to go to your representatives and to President Obama eridani Nov 2013 #10
Thanks For The Comments.... BUT ChiciB1 Nov 2013 #11
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #2
I say we make the big corporations pay for it since they have more or less done away Dustlawyer Nov 2013 #3
While I've done comparatively well on a shrinking income IrishAyes Nov 2013 #4
Need a bumper sticker Zoonart Nov 2013 #6
And remember SSI is for all ages SHRED Nov 2013 #7
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
1. 2 problems with this article...
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:37 AM
Nov 2013

1. Whatever Krugman advises seems to lead every administration to do the exact opposite .

2. "...and, to be fair, many people haven’t managed their money wisely." And to be even more fair, 1. many people are not trained in finance and already have full-time jobs, and 2. many people fell for the lie that mutual funds would allow them to "set it and forget it," and 3. the system is rigged against indivuals and rigged for the giant, computer-based traders and the mutual fund companies.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
9. Oh, So Very True!!!
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 01:10 PM
Nov 2013

My mother-in-law, who DID work from an early age AND all her life collected Social Security when it was her time. She was born into a family of many children and not wealthy. As they grew each child got a job. BUT, almost all of the girls didn't graduate from high school because they were required to help at home. She experienced the Great Depression & didn't marry until she was 27. Rather old for that era of time.

She had my brother-in-law at 30 & my husband at 33 & went right back to work soon after each. She was always able to get a job but not one that paid a high wage. As with my father, her husband joined the Army so we were all Army brats. I myself came from a family of 6 girls and we too went to work early on.

Just a little info, but because my father-in-law never rose above SFC, she worked until he retired. Then they both collected SS when the time came. He preceded her in death & even though they did have a mobile home that was paid for, she ended up collecting around $700 a month. They had saved some money, but then she got Alzheimer's. My husband & I took her in & she lived with us for 10 years & died at age 97.

One thing is for sure, not many people can live on that amount of money today! SHE DID pay into SS almost all of her life, but fortunately she had us to care for her. So many are less fortunate. Her husband never had life insurance, nor did she. So money was something you did try to manage better than so many today. One of my in-laws wishes were that we NEVER sell their property & even though my brother-in-law doesn't want to keep it, we are unable to buy him out. Plus, living here in FL real estate is still difficult to sell.

So now MY financial circumstances are being stretched a lot. We bought our house herr, but we also bought 5 1/2 acres of land as an investment. We do have it up for sale, but there are still many places for sale here and unless we want to take a loss, we continue to pay taxes. That makes 3 places we pay taxes on. Yes, my brother-in-law pays 1/2 the cost of taxes on his parent's place, but we take care of the place. He lives 5 minutes away, we live more than 2 hrs. away. I won't go into THIS story, but it drains us financially. We DID save for our retirement, but because we had a son who became a meth addict for some time, we have little left. He is now clean & has been for over six years. Thankfully, he got married, bought a home & has a son. But it was quite horrible for a long time. He has become very responsible and always works. We consider ourselves extremely lucky that he has stayed clean, but he was sent to jail for 6 months. THAT experience opened his eyes & his girls friends too as she too was an addict.

So, my husband & I who have worked all OUR lives live mostly on our SS. We make less than $30,000 a year, but our son does make an effort to pay us back for the all the money we spent during his addiction time. It was our choice, but his life was saved.

So bottom line, we too DO need SS to live on. We also have a daughter who is married and they have 3 children. I save all year long so we can give them money to spend as gifts for themselves.

It's difficult for us, but we actually consider ourselves LUCKY compared to so many other who have lost homes, and many other things and have nothing left BUT their SS! MIDDLE class is almost a phrase that no longer exists!

Sorry, got carried away... much too long. But our story is the story of more people than not!


eridani

(51,907 posts)
10. This story needs to go to your representatives and to President Obama
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:54 PM
Nov 2013

Also could be the basis of a good LTE. We need to get the word out about SocSec and Medicare.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
11. Thanks For The Comments.... BUT
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:07 PM
Nov 2013

I seriously doubt MY Representative Vern Buchanan would care very much. This is a very RED county, and the area is one with many wealthy people. Often called the "cultural center of the Southwest." Many notable people live here.

I've written him before and have even marched in front of his office. He conveniently wasn't there, but we did sign a petition and gave it to his secretaries. Never heard from him, EVER!

And yes, this is a story that needs so much attention, and it's not only my story! It's THE story of far too many others. So for everyone who feels those on SS and or Medicare/Medicaid are dead beats and slackers, just don't want to hear the real facts!

As a long time activist, these days it seems I mostly scream at my PC/TV or throw my hands up in the air in disgust! I've tried to organize so we could present a strong front, but after a little while people just don't show up. The younger generation really needs to get on the ball because it looks like it could get a lot worse! Not the country I understand anymore.

We're really NOT the Beacon of Democracy that I once was so proud of, but we DO like to honk our own horn and spread Democracy to other countries!

Trying to keep people from voting is such hypocrisy, especially since we fight wars so other countries are able too!


Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
3. I say we make the big corporations pay for it since they have more or less done away
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 11:02 AM
Nov 2013

with retirement plans of their own!

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
4. While I've done comparatively well on a shrinking income
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 11:18 AM
Nov 2013

because I had the background and opportunity - not to mention, luck of the Irish - to prepare for it, that's not the case with many people. I grew up in a family and era where the least wastefulness was abhorrent. Didn't matter how much you had or could expect to get - don't waste a penny of it. I'm trying to say I didn't build this alone and I know it.

But a lot of people who grew up in cushier circumstances were never taught the lessons I learned from early childhood. Unfortunate as that may be, it does not excuse their victimization by financial sharpies either. The danger of falling on hard times is less likely to encourage thrift in those to whom it's an alien concept.

Then there are the desperately poor who were born into abject poverty and PERHAPS have no model of long range planning in their world. Everything might be only now, now, now if you don't expect to live past 30 or ever to get a real chance at sustainable security. Some lucky few might manage to extricate themselves with help, but the odds are against them and I WON'T blame those who wind up ground beneath vulture capitalism's massive wheel. Those whom hunger stalks can't be expected to save for the future!

I'll never forget watching a major Florida developer caught on the wrong end of the boom-bust cycle explain how one day he'd been fabulously wealthy, on paper at least, and the next day busted back to nothing. If he was smart enough to do what he did, he should've had sense enough not to overextend himself like that. But he wasn't and he didn't. Rampant greed blinded him. He said as much.

And the unfortunates snookered into mortgages they couldn't afford, whether their own or as faulty bulk investments, I feel for them too. Might doesn't make right, and I abhor those who took such advantage of easy marks. But then that's the very nature of capitalism.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
7. And remember SSI is for all ages
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 12:11 PM
Nov 2013

It is an insurance program to help anyone at any age should they become disabled.
Rent, food, etc...


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