Duke lacrosse accuser Crystal Mangum found guilty of murder

[NaturalHigh]

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - The woman who falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of rape was convicted of second-degree murder Friday in the stabbing death of her boyfriend.

The jury deliberated for about six hours over two days before reaching its verdict in the trial of 34-year-old Crystal Mangum, who was sentenced to between 14 years and 18 years in prison.

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http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/article/346022/81/Duke-lacrosse-accuser-found-guilty-of-murder

[cigsandcoffee]

1. One gets the feeling this woman has ruined a lot of lives, including her own. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

4. Yes, and unbelievably, people still defend her.

[seabeyond]

13. reallY? adn where are these people defending this woman. lets see it. put out a totally

bogus accusation. where would be the people defending this woman?

[NaturalHigh]

17. You mean like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022409346#post18

Ms. Mangum claimed at the time in 2006, that she had been sexually assaulted at the party hosted by the Duke Lacrosse team. She maintains today that the assault did take place. That is what makes her a victim.

Whether or not you believe her, or whether or not the attorney general believes her is irrelevant. She made the claim, and that makes her a victim. It has not been proven otherwise.


I try to be as accurate, objective, and fair-minded in my blogs, flogs, and other writings. Unlike the biased mainstream media which refers to Mangum as the accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case. Although this is technically correct, it tends to be a bit misleading as she was also the victim in the case. Therefore, I include both terms when referring to Ms. Mangum as I believe that it is most truthful.

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I've actually read about this guy in some of the Carolina papers. Apparently there is a cottage industry of defending Mangum and Nifong and soliciting funds.

[Skip Intro]

20. Making an accusation makes you a victim?

Can we all ride that train?

[NaturalHigh]

22. Apparently, that poster doesn't understand the American justice system.

An accusation does not a victim make.

[mwrguy]

33. Amanda Marcotte

Still claims the lacrosse players are guilty despite all evidence to the contrary.

"For awhile, I had to listen to how the poor dear lacrosse players at Duke are being persecuted just because they held someone down and fucked her against her will—not rape, of course, because the charges have been thrown out. Can’t a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it?"

She has a regular spot at Slate.com.

[hlthe2b]

2. Wow....

Things do come full circle sometimes.....

[NaturalHigh]

5. Karma may be slow, but it does get around eventually.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

27. All some guy needed to do is get stabbed to death for her to get her karmic justice.

[NaturalHigh]

28. Sad to say.

Yes you're right. When you put it like that, it makes my remark seem unnecessarily flippant, which I didn't intend.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. good. nt

[NaturalHigh]

6. My thought exactly.

Unfortunately, she will eventually get out of prison, and I have no doubt that she will ruin even more lives.

[BainsBane]

7. This seems to be your cause

Is a 4% conviction rate for rape too high for you?

[Demo_Chris]

8. How is this relevant to THIS thread? nt

[BainsBane]

11. Am I supposed to pretend it's Groundhog day?

Only every minute of the day and completely wipe from my mind what the OP said in other threads fifty times today?

[pnwmom]

9. Apparently you think the conviction rate should be raised

by convicting innocent people.

That seems wrong to me.

[BainsBane]

10. Nonsense

I never said anything of the sort. You have no idea of the context of this discussion.

[pnwmom]

12. We're not supposed to be dragging old arguments into new threads,

if that's the context you're talking about.

[BainsBane]

15. No, it's not old at all

[pnwmom]

16. It is if it came from a thread related to another OP.

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21. you seem to strongly imply it. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

23. That was what I took from that post too.

Rape is abhorrent. Rapists should rot in prison; I think we all agree with that. However, no innocent person should ever go to prison for any crime unless that person is proven guilty.

[Skip Intro]

24. Yes. Burden of proof in on the accuser, not the accused.

I can't imagine the dark ages chaos were that reversed.

Accusations must be proved, beyond a reasonable doubt.

That standard hopefully holds up much better in our justice system than it does on DU.

on edit: I don't see any other way to read BB's post.

[NaturalHigh]

25. "That standard hopefully holds up much better in our justice system than it does on DU."

Unfortunately, we read all too often about people who have been exonerated after spending decades in prison for crimes they didn't commit. I think that sometimes the desire to blame somebody for horrific crimes outweighs prosecutors' and jurors' obligations to make sure the right person is punished.

[NaturalHigh]

18. Should innocent people go to jail to pump up the stats?

I don't know where you got that statistic. I do know that when the Duke case broke a lot of us were attacked for saying "let's wait to see the evidence."

Good thing we waited before just going ahead and castrating those privileged little bastards, eh?

[HappyMe]

14. Good.

[Decaffeinated]

19. Sweet juicy justice...

Hope she rots...

[hfojvt]

26. I hope the jury got it right

When I read stuff like this

"He admitted Mangum was in the bathroom when he kicked in the door and that he grabbed her by the hair. He said as they continued to fight, Mangum tried to stab him several times before stabbing him in the side of the chest as he stood in the hallway."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/11/22/3396116/jury-in-mangum-murder-trial-continue.html#storylink=cpy

That does sound like self defense to me. Dude kicked in a door and attacked her. How is that NOT self defense? Because at some point he tried to walk away? Well, the story, supposedly HIS story says "as they continued to fight".

[Scootaloo]

29. Yeah, that's an eyebrow-raiser. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

30. That's why she was convicted of SECOND degree murder instead of first.

The fight was over. You can't stab somebody after the fight is over even if you're still pissed. Apparently, according to the story, the forensic evidence supported his version of the story. The fact that she claimed that he choked her down and tried to stab her but that she had no injuries on her certainly didn't support her version.

[JVS]

31. After reading her wiki's list of criminal activity, I think the justice system failed to protect...

her victims adequately. She had a history as a a dangerous criminal and should have been in prison for the safety of the general public.

[NaturalHigh]

32. I think there was a lot of political pressure...

not to prosecute her for falsely accusing the Duke players of rape and also not to re-try her for the charges that the jury deadlocked on in her previous assault and arson case.

Yeah, this woman was (and is) a time bomb. She even wrote a book after it was proven (one of the players she accused was at an ATM when she claims he was raping her) that she made false rape allegations. There is no doubt in my mind that she will ruin more lives when she gets out of prison.