I'm more convinced Isreal DOES NOT want peace

[bigdarryl]

In the Middle East .The lastest Iran deal on nucular weopons of coarse has Isreal crying as usaul.I don't think they want any deal reached with Iran.The latest Prime Minister is a fucking right wing hawk just as bad as the rethugs in this country.
I'm sick and tired of the ass kissing on Isreal.

[Laelth]

1. Israel is a bit unsettled by this deal.

So are the Saudis--so much so that they are in secret talks with Israel about it. It's quite interesting and different.

Recent statements made by the Saudi leadership are posing a real challenge to the United States and provoking speculation about near-future developments and whether a "divorce" is possible between this pair of strategic allies.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi secretary-general for national security and chief of intelligence, strongly criticized U.S. foreign policy recently and said that the kingdom "will make a major shift in foreign policy." The statement suggests that the monarchy is distancing itself from its principal strategic ally. It also appears to confirm Riyadh’s intent to form an alliance with Israel against the Islamic Republic of Iran. Saudi Arabia currently has no diplomatic relations with Israel, maintaining only discreet contact in an effort to foster stability in the region.

http://watchingamerica.com/News/226591/is-saudi-arabia-heading-for-a-shift-in-foreign-policy/

Very interesting.

-Laelth

[elehhhhna]

9. Bandar Bush? The guy who had to hitail it back to Saudi

after the BAE bribery (to him, buhzillions) scandal? Screw him .

[Laelth]

11. Yes, that guy.

It's not like I am a fan of his, but SA is our ally, and they're none too happy with us at the moment. The fact is that Japan and Western Europe are completely dependent upon oil from the Middle East, and they depend upon us to insure that the oil continues to flow. Anything that might cause instability in SA is cause for alarm--for us and our allies.

-Laelth

[elehhhhna]

12. I think of SA as a frenemy.

Another crap backward country where we prop up a corrupt "royal" family dictatorship. I doubt SA will remain stable for long regardless.

[Laelth]

15. They're still sitting on a large amount of the world's oil reserves.

The fact of the matter is that Japan and our allies in Western Europe absolutely depend upon a steady flow of oil from the Middle East, and they rely upon us to insure that the oil continues to flow. Anything that disrupts SA also disrupts Western Europe and Japan. We must be concerned about this, even if we don't particularly like SA.



-Laelth

[elehhhhna]

21. not so much anymore - i think we have surpassed them

Russia is also a huge producer. Major discoveries offshore Israel, and Mideast/no African countries are recompleting old wells as we speak. Saudi becomes less crucial every day, oilsupplywise. I would also question Saudi's "proven" oil reserves numbers...

[Skidmore]

23. SA is only an ally as long as we are a customer for oil and are willing to provide them

with artillery and training for a military. Beyond that the only thing SA offers the world is religious tourism to one religion and exportation of radical theology.

The dynamics of the ME need to change. That which have been in place for decades is not working in a manner that engenders anything but war and misery for millions.

[liberal_at_heart]

18. Yes, this deal will only delay the inevitable powder keg in the middle east.

Sunnis and Shiites will eventually end up in civil war and Israel doesn't seem to be interested in peace with either Iran or the Palestinians.

[KG]

2. not until they've annexed all Palestinian lands.

[malaise]

3. Except that this time the Israeli army came out clearly against Bibi

That's the most interesting development in Israel this week. Bye bye Bibi - you were never needed.
Time for peace. Time for the US to spend money at home.

[PCIntern]

4. Perhaps you had better learn how to spell the name of the country you

purport to be an expert on. Just sayin'...

[Bonobo]

7. +1 nt

[warrior1]

5. well they couldn't survive

a war. So what the fuck do they want?

What if we ended the $$$ we sent them?

[elehhhhna]

10. perhaps they should knock off annexation and

if we cut 'em off they might not be able to afford their excellent NAIONAL HEALTHCARE system, etc. Wah.

[SQUEE]

6. Israel wants security.

And will do just about anything to get that, including discrimination, intimidation and waging war, right or wrong.

They would prefer to have this security with no war, all people would, but they are not afraid to go to war.

I disagree with almost of all Israels policies lately, but I do not believe they actually want war.

[Hugabear]

8. What makes you think that?

Is it decades of taking land from the Palestinians?

Is it defiantly putting up settlements on Palestinian land?

Is it launching military strikes against neighboring countries?

Is it threatening war against Iran?

[Arcanetrance]

13. I think for the most part the civilian populace wants peace

Sadly the government and extreme right wing has controlled the narrative and have done the things your talking about

[gulliver]

14. Israel's disapproval is probably a good/expected thing.

For all we know, Netanyahu is quietly glad the agreement was reached. If he were publicly all for it, it would undermine Iranian moderates. But it doesn't matter either way.

This looks like a masterstroke by Kerry. We got a good deal, and it reestablishes the U.S. as a fair broker for future diplomatic work.

[Yo_Mama]

16. Israel wants peace - they just don't trust Iran

I don't trust Iran either. Any country that attacks labor organizers like Iran does is fucked up in its governmental head so badly that no one should trust them. The place seems to be an oligarchy with a religious tinge.
http://peoplesworld.org/international-groups-to-iran-s-new-president-end-trade-union-repression/

http://www.fidh.org/en/asia/iran/iran-rising-poverty-declining-labour-rights-13403

https://www.google.com/#q=Iran+labor+organizers

http://blogs.voanews.com/inside-iran/2013/05/02/international-workers-day-in-iran/
https://www.itfglobal.org/urban-transport/tehranbuses-2010events.cfm

Any country that allows companies to abuse workers so severely, and any government that attacks, beats, and secretly imprisons workers who try to organize is SICK. SICK. And then they charge them, generally on national security grounds. Because in Iran, the theory seems to be that if workers organize to get a raise or, Allah forbid, back wages, it threatens national security.

In Iran, if you have a company and you don't pay your workers for months and the workers try to strike, you just call up your local politico and the police come out and beat the workers to a pulp, and the ringleaders disappear.

Think about what that means. When labor rights improve in Iran a lot else will follow, but so far Rouhani's campaign promises have not been kept:
http://globalriskinsights.com/2013/07/24/working-class-iranians-demand-labor-reforms/

[JHB]

17. I'm sure Israel "wants" several things, being several million people and all...

What does Israeli public opinion have to say about this, not just one political party or the guy currently at its top?

[L0oniX]

20. Even if they were to take all occupied land they would continue take land IMO.

[elehhhhna]

22. imo when bibi has a shit week it's a win for the planet

(they also backed off a new annexation development when we said we wouldn't support that)