So Is The Jewish Vote Going To Be Up For Grabs?....

[global1]

If Netenayhu is negative on the Iran Nuclear Agreement - will the Repugs use that against Obama/Dems in upcoming elections to try and garner Jewish support for their votes?

[scheming daemons]

1. Strange OP

Nobody is more interested in a non-nuclear Iran than Israel.

Most Jews would be happy about this development.

[Laelth]

3. Israel does not like the idea that we're making peace with Iran.

At the very least, some powerful people in Israel are quite unsettled by this development, as are the Saudis.

Recent statements made by the Saudi leadership are posing a real challenge to the United States and provoking speculation about near-future developments and whether a "divorce" is possible between this pair of strategic allies.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi secretary-general for national security and chief of intelligence, strongly criticized U.S. foreign policy recently and said that the kingdom "will make a major shift in foreign policy." The statement suggests that the monarchy is distancing itself from its principal strategic ally. It also appears to confirm Riyadh’s intent to form an alliance with Israel against the Islamic Republic of Iran. Saudi Arabia currently has no diplomatic relations with Israel, maintaining only discreet contact in an effort to foster stability in the region.

http://watchingamerica.com/News/226591/is-saudi-arabia-heading-for-a-shift-in-foreign-policy/

For what that's worth.

-Laelth

[DonViejo]

15. When did Netanyahu become "Israel?"

That reads a lot like Rafael Cruz saying "I speak for all Americans." If the Saudis want to ally themselves with Netanyahu, by all means go for it.

[Laelth]

20. Indeed. Israel's government is not completely representative of the entire population.

Neither is our government, for that matter. It would have been more precise to say that Israel's government has serious concerns about our making peace with Iran. I have not polled the Israeli population on this.

-Laelth

[Bluenorthwest]

26. And yet the OP is not about Israelis is it?

This OP is exactly the same as an OP that asks if the Catholic vote is going to go Republican because Francis is opposed to marriage equality. The answer is of course not. The question itself drips of things I do not much care for.

[Laelth]

27. I tend to agree.

I do not think that American Jews will abandon their traditional preference for Democrats because of this move. That said, this is a perfectly acceptable question on a political discussion board, imo.

In this instance, I was responding to Scheming Daemons who suggested that the Israelis should be pleased about this development. I was stating, for the record, that many Israelis are not pleased that we're making peace with their enemy, Iran.

-Laelth

[global1]

4. But Isn't The Israeli Prime Minister Leary About This Agreement?...

I thought I read where he is not too happy about it and doesn't trust the Iranians not to continue to develop a nuclear weapon.

[spanone]

5. Netanyahu says Iran nuclear deal is 'historic mistake'

http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Israel-denounces-Iranian-nuclear-deal-says-it-will-review-options-332800

[scheming daemons]

9. so jews in the US are lockstep behind bibi?

[lostincalifornia]

32. No they are not as the 2008 election showed. I cannot believe that people do not remember his

involvement in that election for romney, and the complete failure of his support

[JaneyVee]

18. By 'historic mistake' he means it won't cost US 4000 lives & $1Trillion.

[sendero]

34. Exactly.

... I have some simple advice for Netanyahu. You want a war with Iran? DO IT YOURSELF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE, IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.

[madaboutharry]

2. It won't work.

I think it is accurate to say that the vast majority of American Jews think that Netanyahu is an asshole.

[global1]

8. But The Repug Friendly MSM Can Change That If They Tried....

This will be interesting to see how the Repugs will handle this. We all know that if this is hailed as an Obama accomplishment that they will find a way to attack it. I already heard that Cornyn is saying this is a distraction to take away from the problems of Obamacare. I got to think they are going to come up with something more sinister than that.

[SQUEE]

10. nailed it

Although I think of we consider him more of a putz and momzer.

[malaise]

11. So do vast numbers in Israel

including hte army.

Bibi will soon be history

[LuvNewcastle]

16. From what I've read, a lot of Israeli Jews think he's an asshole, too.

A lot of people think that Israeli Jews are all belligerent RWers, but that isn't true. The Likud Party does win elections there, but there are many things about that party that aren't popular with plenty of Israelis. Remember, they have a parliamentary system, so a party doesn't necessarily need a majority to govern. I hope they'll quit voting for the Likuds altogether, though. I think that party has done more damage to Israel's foreign relations that anything else.

[MH1]

19. And those who like Bibi probably already vote Republican. nt

[karynnj]

6. No - AIPAC liked Bush 2004, and Romney 2012 - and over two thirds of American Jews

voted against them. Look at the J Street front page - they support this - and they support Kerry on a two state solution. In one survey of the Jewish community 80% of Jews agree with them on Israel.

[DCBob]

7. Moderate Jews are with Obama on this.

The American Jews who would be upset about this are hard core cons and already voting GOP.

[global1]

13. That's Good To Hear Thanks For That Info....

I got worried when I first learned of this agreement and I guess I've been conditioned to think about how IMHO such a great accomplishment by Obama/Kerry can be turned into a negative by the Repugs.

[sendero]

35. Most of the Jewish people..

.... I've known, here is the US, are anything BUT right wing. Most were very progressive politically.

I don't know any Israeli Jews so I have no idea how the Likud remains in power.

[mucifer]

12. American Jews are assimilating more and less zionist than before

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2013/10/american_jews_embrace_your_secular_intermarried_selves.html

It's less of a factor now.

That said, I'm not looking forward to the Israel discussion at this years Thanksgivikah with my family.

[cali]

14. no. it never is. the Jewish vote is overwhelming liberal- not just democratic voters

but liberal dem voters.

[JaneyVee]

17. Not American Jews.

[n2doc]

21. Well, Net&yahoo's BFF Rmoney didn't benefit in 2012

I don't think the American Jewish voter is that monolithic, AIPAC-addled herd that the Israeli government wishes them to be. They can think for themselves.

[MineralMan]

22. Jewish Americans will absolutely not vote for Obama in 2016!

That much is clear.

[HERVEPA]

23. Silly post.

Lack of understanding of American Jews.

[rucky]

25. Rude.

Last time I checked, asking questions was still an acceptable way to understand something.

[rucky]

24. Only if Dubya can convert enough of us by then.

[mathematic]

28. 2% of the population & mostly live in true-blue states, so "no".

People overestimate how many jews there are. There just aren't many outside of the northeast. Florida is the only state with a significant jewish population (4.6%) that isn't reliably blue.

[Sheepshank]

29. ex RW Pres Bush promoting & aiding the conversion of millions of Jews to Christiantiy

is a huge blow to the Jewish vote....I'm not sure RW posturing on what is essentially a 'peace accord' is going to be very effective.

[SoCalDem]

30. Netanyahu is an ASS.. I cannot believe he stays in power n/t

[lostincalifornia]

31. This is a stereotype, and has no basis as the last election demonstrated to anyone who was paying

attention, but I will refresh memories who may not remember

Netenayhu came to the U.S. trying to appeal support for romney. That did not work out too well did it? Over 80% of the Jewish vote went to the Democrats.

[lostincalifornia]

33. How about the Christian vote? Do you think it will be up for grabs? GEEZZZZZZZZ!!!!

[LittleBlue]

36. They still won't vote for Christian fundamentalist weirdos

No matter what we do.

The Republican platform will never appeal to any group of minorities, ethnic or religious. Cubans are about the only ones I can think of, and even they're abandoning the wingnuts for us.

[edhopper]

37. You mistake the Jewish vote

which has always been more Democratic. With the Pro-Israel vote, which contains many more evangelicals who think Israel must be saved so Jeebus can return there.

[Chorophyll]

38. Yes, because all Jews think exactly the same way and vote in lockstep as a block.

I'm going Republican now. Screw all the beliefs I've held dear all my life.

Do I need to put this here?

This OP is pretty offensive. Just replace "Jewish Vote" with "_____ Vote" of your choice.

[FarCenter]

39. The Rs & Ds in Congress will be competing for Jewish political contributions.

The Jewish vote will stay with the Democrats. But there is a lot of money up for grabs.

[frazzled]

40. I hope by now,

having read all the posts here, you have an understanding that your premise was pretty offensive and off-base. It would help to get an acknowledgment of that fact.

[global1]

41. I'm Sorry If My OP Offended Anyone.......

I just don't trust Repugs and I was questioning more of their tactics in responding to this Obama/Kerry accomplishment than anything else. The fact that Bibi isn't pleased with this agreement made me wonder.

So how Will Repugs respond? Again - as I said above in one of my other posts here in this thread - no matter what Obama does - they take an opposite negative position. They always turn a positive into a negative with this Administration.

How are they going to react to this agreement.

I know Cornyn said it was a distraction from the problems of Obamacare. Are they going to go farther than that and come up with something that they consider more damaging to Obama and the Dems.

To respond to another post above - of course I know that Obama isn't running in 2016 - but the Democratic Nominee will be either having to defend the actions of this Administration or distance them self from this Administration based on how much of a todo that Repugs make of this.

Again - didn't mean to offend anyone - just trying to anticipate.

[frazzled]

44. Thank you; I think the issue is

as others have pointed out, that American Jews don't base their views on (a) Israeli opinions or (b) Republican opinions. I think the idea that they would be swayed away from their normally overwhelmingly Democratic voting patterns by either of these groups with respect to the Iran situation assumes that they are one-issue voters or easily duped. Or even that they are some monolithic, Israel-first bloc.

American Jews have historically been one of the most reliably Democratic voting groups, active in civil rights and human rights and economic progressivism.

I think if you think about it for a minute, you'd see that if you'd posted a question as to whether Iranian-Americans would vote in a particular way based on US policy in Iran alone, you'd be not only mistaken in thinking they vote in a single bloc, but that they are single-issue voters interested predominantly in what happens in the "old" country. It would be insulting to them as average Americans with a host of political issues and views.

[meti57b]

42. My Jewish vote is not up for grabs. I have never once voted for a republican, and never will.

[Jesus Malverde]

43. More Jews voted for President Obama then EVER voted for that right wing maniac Netanyahu.

In the history of the world, no leader has received more Jewish votes than President Obama.

Who speaks for the Jews? It's not Bibi and not Israel.