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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFight Schumer and AIPAC on their intent to pass new sanctions -- in spite of the agreement!
Seeing that Schumer is STILL pushing for more sanctions - as Netanyahu would like - it may be a good time for people to call their Congress people and Senators.
I wonder if Schumer even bothered to listen to the details Kerry laid out - or just followed Netanyahu. I wonder if Netanyahu's secret plan to unravel this first step is to get his bought Senators and Congressmen to pass that bill -- which Obama will veto. The question is whether the President can hold enough Democrats to prevent it from being overridden.
All when about 64% of Americans WANT an agreement like this.
Here is the petition - http://act.jstreet.org/sign/iran_negotiations/
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/11/24/2988371/gop-sanctions-iran-agreement/
gtar100
(4,192 posts)It's as if their real agenda is to support whatever is corrupt, regardless of form or content. We can always count on them to be against anything that helps humanity. Disgusting people that they are.
On edit: well my bad. Schumer is a Democrat. How could I have possibly jumped to the conclusion that he's a republican!
rdharma
(6,057 posts)He's only trying to insure his continued financial support from AIPAC.
spanone
(135,827 posts)Mass
(27,315 posts)as have many other Dems I have read today.
Except for the usual clowns of the GOP (Rubio, Graham, Cornyn, Rodgers) it is hard to distinguish Democrats and Republicans on this one (if anything, the GOP does not seem to feel the need to be overly harsh because they know Dems will be). If anything, it was shocking to see how few people (if any) were supporting the deal this morning on the morning shows.
I support fully this deal, but this is something the White House will have to deal with.
However, a veto wil be substained by a coalition of Democrats and Republicans. In the House, there are Republicans who disagree with their leadership on this as well.
karynnj
(59,502 posts)and his position on this. If it were just Republicans, there would be no real problem. They can't get anything out of the Senate alone. On this, I had thought last night that the Democrats would at least give the President the space of these 6 months to try to get the complete deal - something that will not be easy.
My other problem is that Schumer LIED about the provisions of the plan.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)has changed significantly since the '70s. Iran is tactically surrounded and poses no military threat. It does, however, pose an economic threat to many transnational corporate interests of the Saudis and Israelis. I believe the TPP is less a matter of geopolitics than a corporate power grab, which is far more troubling to me than an emerging China. We have, I think, little to fear from Iran and much to worry about from ambitions second rate powers like Israel, Saudi Arabia and their wielding of undo influence over American foreign policy.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for your insight.
-Laelth
pasto76
(1,589 posts)maybe some of them dont know it. and more than 99% of americans can not relate to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th sentences of his statement mean.
if anyone who is unhappy about this development (consider what that word means) would actually have to go fight a war with Iran, they would change their tunes pretty damn fast.
karynnj
(59,502 posts)I agree that many espousing war as "strength" are chicken hawks - and neither they or theirs will fight.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)Why would he do this?
lumpy
(13,704 posts)n
WowSeriously
(343 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)When has Israel done anything for the US other than keep our MIC going...helping to bankrupt our social safety net?
WowSeriously
(343 posts)The President becomes anti-Semitic or supporting Israel becomes racist.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)and not allow it brought up.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)J-street is so much more representative of Jewish-Americans' opinions than the neocon Israel firsters at AIPAC.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Lots of Israelis want a peaceful solution just as much as we do.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It drives me nuts when people want to ascribe a monolithic foreign policy to Israel or any other foreign state.
Assuming Likud and the conservative ruling coalition speaks for all Israelis is like assuming the Bush international agenda was supported by all Americans. They don't and they didn't. The majority of people are peace-loving and hate the extremists on their own side as much as the extremists on the other side.
It's not at all unlike the situation in Belfast for the decade before the accords...the majority of the Catholics just wanted people to stop blowing shit up and murdering people, the majority of the Protestants wanted people to stop blowing shit up and murdering people; the Orange and the Provos wanted to stop blow shit up and murder each other and claim they spoke for everybody else.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)support for the interim Iran deal, it's about 16%. Opposition to a unilateral Israeli attack upon Iran, that's about 22%. The good news is that about 60% support a 2 state solution to their conflict in the occupied territories but most doubt it will happen.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/105856
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/8/analysis-israelisnotreadyforpeace.html
http://www.jewishjournal.com/hella_tel_aviv/item/watch_peace_nows_goosebumpy_new_video_in_support_of_two_state_solution
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)I didn't intend to paint the Israeli people with the broad brush you inferred from my unfortunate wording. I meant the US congresscritters who take their cues on Israel from the AIPAC/Likud lobby rather than the majority of Jewish citizens of the US and a substantial number of Israelis.
Cha
(297,154 posts)karyn!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)In that we are abandoning Israel?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)DISAPPOINTED in you. I will always be suspicious of your every action from now on, you asshole.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)He will always put Israel before the US past the point I would consider traitorous.
He will never get my vote, I wouldn't care if he had ten D's after his name.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Shameful.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)That would have been considered an act of war if done by any other country and as far as I'm concerned Schumer is aiding and abetting an enemy state.
elfin
(6,262 posts)And a US senator second. Perhaps being too harsh, maybe it is only greed from their donations driving him.