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karynnj

(59,502 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:02 PM Nov 2013

Fight Schumer and AIPAC on their intent to pass new sanctions -- in spite of the agreement!

Seeing that Schumer is STILL pushing for more sanctions - as Netanyahu would like - it may be a good time for people to call their Congress people and Senators.

I wonder if Schumer even bothered to listen to the details Kerry laid out - or just followed Netanyahu. I wonder if Netanyahu's secret plan to unravel this first step is to get his bought Senators and Congressmen to pass that bill -- which Obama will veto. The question is whether the President can hold enough Democrats to prevent it from being overridden.

All when about 64% of Americans WANT an agreement like this.


Here is the petition - http://act.jstreet.org/sign/iran_negotiations/


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Fight Schumer and AIPAC on their intent to pass new sanctions -- in spite of the agreement! (Original Post) karynnj Nov 2013 OP
Kick! Complicity: ProSense Nov 2013 #1
Oh, aren't our republicans just awesome. So ready to shit on anything good in this world. gtar100 Nov 2013 #13
Don't worry about Schumer's statements. rdharma Nov 2013 #2
k&r.... spanone Nov 2013 #3
Schumer is far from being the only one. Both Hoyer and Engel were for new sanctions as well Mass Nov 2013 #4
Fair point - I singled out Schumer because of his DEMOCRATIC leadership position karynnj Nov 2013 #15
k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #5
I tend to forgive Democrats when it comes to Iran. Laelth Nov 2013 #6
The status quo sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #18
I don't disagree with you at all. Laelth Nov 2013 #26
all americans want this, not just 64%. everyone in the world wants it too pasto76 Nov 2013 #7
I was just citing a recent poll - nothing that Obama or Kerry said karynnj Nov 2013 #12
But he's a Democrat! WowSeriously Nov 2013 #8
His Jewish connection ? lumpy Nov 2013 #14
Israel is our Allie worthy of unconditional support WowSeriously Nov 2013 #16
Why ? lumpy Nov 2013 #17
Because, like ethanol subsidies, you must take the pledge to be a viable candidate. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #31
I don't think so. No country is worthy of unconditional support...especially Israel. kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #19
That's my position. I just don't know when supporting WowSeriously Nov 2013 #29
This is why sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #22
Hopefully Reid will hold the line EC Nov 2013 #9
Thank G-d for J-street. hedda_foil Nov 2013 #10
Likud firsters, not Israel firsters Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #11
Thank you for this. Chan790 Nov 2013 #21
Too bad those peace-loving Israelis can't win any elections. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #24
If by lots you mean sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #25
Sources? Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #30
Here sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #36
Yes. You're absolutely right about that. hedda_foil Nov 2013 #37
Signed! thank you, Cha Nov 2013 #20
Wow, that was quick. Does Schumer agree with Ari Fleischer? Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #23
what the HELL, Schumer!!! Whisp Nov 2013 #27
Schumer will never surprise me as far as Israel is concerned. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #33
It's sickening that the Israeli RW has such a grip on American politicians. Whisp Nov 2013 #34
I haven't forgotten what Israel did to the USS Liberty. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #35
Have long thought Schumer is a Zionist first elfin Nov 2013 #28
K&R Thanks you for posting, indeed! eom Purveyor Nov 2013 #32
kick Schumer's ass. Whisp Nov 2013 #38

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
13. Oh, aren't our republicans just awesome. So ready to shit on anything good in this world.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:20 PM
Nov 2013

It's as if their real agenda is to support whatever is corrupt, regardless of form or content. We can always count on them to be against anything that helps humanity. Disgusting people that they are.

On edit: well my bad. Schumer is a Democrat. How could I have possibly jumped to the conclusion that he's a republican!

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
2. Don't worry about Schumer's statements.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:10 PM
Nov 2013

He's only trying to insure his continued financial support from AIPAC.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
4. Schumer is far from being the only one. Both Hoyer and Engel were for new sanctions as well
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:48 PM
Nov 2013

as have many other Dems I have read today.

Except for the usual clowns of the GOP (Rubio, Graham, Cornyn, Rodgers) it is hard to distinguish Democrats and Republicans on this one (if anything, the GOP does not seem to feel the need to be overly harsh because they know Dems will be). If anything, it was shocking to see how few people (if any) were supporting the deal this morning on the morning shows.

I support fully this deal, but this is something the White House will have to deal with.

However, a veto wil be substained by a coalition of Democrats and Republicans. In the House, there are Republicans who disagree with their leadership on this as well.

karynnj

(59,502 posts)
15. Fair point - I singled out Schumer because of his DEMOCRATIC leadership position
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:27 PM
Nov 2013

and his position on this. If it were just Republicans, there would be no real problem. They can't get anything out of the Senate alone. On this, I had thought last night that the Democrats would at least give the President the space of these 6 months to try to get the complete deal - something that will not be easy.

My other problem is that Schumer LIED about the provisions of the plan.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
18. The status quo
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:03 PM
Nov 2013

has changed significantly since the '70s. Iran is tactically surrounded and poses no military threat. It does, however, pose an economic threat to many transnational corporate interests of the Saudis and Israelis. I believe the TPP is less a matter of geopolitics than a corporate power grab, which is far more troubling to me than an emerging China. We have, I think, little to fear from Iran and much to worry about from ambitions second rate powers like Israel, Saudi Arabia and their wielding of undo influence over American foreign policy.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
7. all americans want this, not just 64%. everyone in the world wants it too
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:22 PM
Nov 2013

maybe some of them dont know it. and more than 99% of americans can not relate to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th sentences of his statement mean.

if anyone who is unhappy about this development (consider what that word means) would actually have to go fight a war with Iran, they would change their tunes pretty damn fast.

karynnj

(59,502 posts)
12. I was just citing a recent poll - nothing that Obama or Kerry said
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:11 PM
Nov 2013

I agree that many espousing war as "strength" are chicken hawks - and neither they or theirs will fight.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
19. I don't think so. No country is worthy of unconditional support...especially Israel.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:09 PM
Nov 2013

When has Israel done anything for the US other than keep our MIC going...helping to bankrupt our social safety net?

 

WowSeriously

(343 posts)
29. That's my position. I just don't know when supporting
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 06:27 PM
Nov 2013

The President becomes anti-Semitic or supporting Israel becomes racist.

hedda_foil

(16,373 posts)
10. Thank G-d for J-street.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:57 PM
Nov 2013

J-street is so much more representative of Jewish-Americans' opinions than the neocon Israel firsters at AIPAC.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
11. Likud firsters, not Israel firsters
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:06 PM
Nov 2013

Lots of Israelis want a peaceful solution just as much as we do.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
21. Thank you for this.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:22 PM
Nov 2013

It drives me nuts when people want to ascribe a monolithic foreign policy to Israel or any other foreign state.

Assuming Likud and the conservative ruling coalition speaks for all Israelis is like assuming the Bush international agenda was supported by all Americans. They don't and they didn't. The majority of people are peace-loving and hate the extremists on their own side as much as the extremists on the other side.

It's not at all unlike the situation in Belfast for the decade before the accords...the majority of the Catholics just wanted people to stop blowing shit up and murdering people, the majority of the Protestants wanted people to stop blowing shit up and murdering people; the Orange and the Provos wanted to stop blow shit up and murder each other and claim they spoke for everybody else.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
25. If by lots you mean
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 06:03 PM
Nov 2013

support for the interim Iran deal, it's about 16%. Opposition to a unilateral Israeli attack upon Iran, that's about 22%. The good news is that about 60% support a 2 state solution to their conflict in the occupied territories but most doubt it will happen.

hedda_foil

(16,373 posts)
37. Yes. You're absolutely right about that.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:12 AM
Nov 2013

I didn't intend to paint the Israeli people with the broad brush you inferred from my unfortunate wording. I meant the US congresscritters who take their cues on Israel from the AIPAC/Likud lobby rather than the majority of Jewish citizens of the US and a substantial number of Israelis.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
27. what the HELL, Schumer!!!
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 06:07 PM
Nov 2013

DISAPPOINTED in you. I will always be suspicious of your every action from now on, you asshole.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
33. Schumer will never surprise me as far as Israel is concerned.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:28 PM
Nov 2013

He will always put Israel before the US past the point I would consider traitorous.

He will never get my vote, I wouldn't care if he had ten D's after his name.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
35. I haven't forgotten what Israel did to the USS Liberty.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:19 PM
Nov 2013

That would have been considered an act of war if done by any other country and as far as I'm concerned Schumer is aiding and abetting an enemy state.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
28. Have long thought Schumer is a Zionist first
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 06:23 PM
Nov 2013

And a US senator second. Perhaps being too harsh, maybe it is only greed from their donations driving him.

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