Mark Halperin's Sudden Claim That Obamacare Death Panels Exist Calls Into Question His Reporting

[cali]

Credentials

From the no shit file:


Appearing yesterday on Newsmax TV’s “The Steve Malzberg Show”, Mark Halperin—Time Magazine’s senior political analyst and regular guest on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” (except for when he is being suspended from the program for calling the President of the United States a d**k)—pronounced;

“The Affordable Care Act contains provisions for “death panels,” which decide which critically ill patients receive care and which don’t. It’s built into the plan. It’s not like a guess or like a judgment. That’s going to be part of how costs are controlled.”

Really, Mark?

That is quite a pronouncement without so much as bothering to provide thinking Americans with a reference to where they can find this deeply upsetting language in the Affordable Care Act.

I, for one, would have been most appreciative to be provided with such a citation given that I’ve read the entire law seven times and have yet to come across any provision that states how critically ill patients will—or will not—have their fate determined by their government, despite Halperin’s announcement that these death panels are the means in which health care costs are going to be controlled in the future.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/11/26/mark-halperins-sudden-claim-that-obamacare-death-panels-exist-calls-into-question-his-reporting-credibility/

[shenmue]

1. Can't wait

til he gets fired. Oh boy, I really wish.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. This incident is just now calling into question his credibility?

His credibility wasn't in question when he referred to the President as a dick in 2011?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/msnbc-suspends-analyst-mark-halperin-after-obama-insult/

MSNBC on Thursday suspended indefinitely Mark Halperin from his role as an analyst on the network, hours after the Time Editor-at-Large called President Obama "a dick" on live television.

[cali]

5. uh, no. and if you read the article you'd know that the author

goes into his past bullshit with detail, including the "dick" incident.

That's the trouble with making indignant posts when you've only read an excerpt.

[Jack Rabbit]

51. True, this is very detailed

Forbes magazine is hardly a center of progressive or populist thought. I can't wait for the Koch brothers, once again hiding behind their useful idiots, call this a conspiracy fo the "liberal media."

[Cha]

20. That halperin is such a projector.

[Volaris]

55. Halperin is a DC gossip queen, don't let it bother you.

As far as I'm concerned, he's Sarah Palin-like.

[katmondoo]

3. The Death Panel consists of Republican Governors

refusing to sign up for ACA and those who prevent people from signing up by spreading their lies

[AlbertCat]

61. BINGO!

I pointed this out on Facebook the other day....

don't forget those who refuse Medicaid expansion.

[Boom Sound 416]

4. You've read the entire law seven times?

[cali]

6. really? seriously? yikes

[Boom Sound 416]

17. Sssooo, that's a no?

[Curmudgeoness]

21. I don't know when people will figure this out,

but when an OP is posted, and shows an excerpt from an article (with the link included so you can read the entire article and see who wrote it), that means that the OP poster is NOT the writer of the piece. So, in answer to your question, cali did not say that she/he read the ACA seven times.

I don't know why I bother but maybe someone will understand this.

[Boom Sound 416]

23. Sometimes it's confusing based on where the "snip" is

But the Internet is only in its adolescence. Give us some time.

[Curmudgeoness]

26. OK

I'll give you some time. But you really shouldn't get so catty, especially before you have really checked your details.

No disrespect to cats intended.

[Boom Sound 416]

27. I didn't realize I was.

Maybe you just read it that way.

[bvar22]

38. Nope, you were being "catty" (to put it nicely)

...and made an embarrassing knee-jerk assumption that could have been easily avoided if you had bothered to read the link provided in the OP before posting.

[Boom Sound 416]

39. Oh the shame of it all

[bvar22]

40. I've never understood the guy who...

...takes off all his clothes and runs around the field at 1/2 time showing his ass.
I might be able to understand IF they were someone who has something worth showing,....but they never are.

...Or the people who post videos of themselves doing something stupid to YouTube?
Are there really people THAT desperate for attention?


I'm trying to understand,
and I believe you are one who can give us all some insight.
Help us out here.

[Boom Sound 416]

41. I'm with you

[Roy Rolling]

68. My mom had a saying

She used to tell us "fools' names like fools' faces, always found In public places."

Public exhibition and idiocy seem to exist hand-in-hand.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. I don't think lecturing others on literacy is going to be your forte

And yes, you were rude. Check yourself next time you want to say something that's going to make you look foolish.

[Boom Sound 416]

60. You are entitled to your point of view

I simply asked a question. If you don't believe my intent was genuine, fine. It's been days and I've slept fine.

I thought the OP was making the statment about reading the ACA seven times. The response to me could be considered rude as well. I didn't understand the whole snip thing.

You folks feel better about yourselves now, all I can do say you're welcome.

[Control-Z]

63. You folks?

Are you not a member of DU - one of the "you folks" you are picking fights with? Kind of sounds like you are here on a mission. And it is not to become an upstanding member of DU.

[Boom Sound 416]

64. You folks

As in you folks who are jumping all over me about asking a question

As in you folks who have passed judgment on my intent

As you folks who are not the other folks that seem to know my mind better than me

You folks in that I'm a southerner and we say you folks.

You folks as in not to be confused with the sometimes derogatory you people

[LiberalFighter]

66. There was nothing confusing about it if you review it.

[Boom Sound 416]

67. Thank you for your contribution

And your psychoanalysis.

I'll give you the benefit of doubt that you're not calling me a liar.


Apologies for my lack of Internet savvy and gross imperfection.

[CreekDog]

22. enjoy your stay

judging by how you're using your time, it may be mercifully short.

[Boom Sound 416]

24. Lol

[CreekDog]

31. of course you're laughing

Boom Sound 416
On the White House shooting

I have no problem calling cops and other first responders heroes. Small and large everyday the are.

I do have a problem with them calling themselves heroes, specifically the chief of the Capitol Police who while refusing to answer any legitimate questions about the shooting, repeatedly praised the dozens of officers as heroic.

I think we the people retain that duty and designate it when earned.

Is it just me?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023784650

[Boom Sound 416]

32. And?

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Typical

[Ikonoklast]

35. No. It's not you, CreekDog. This is a repeat customer.

Another gunner who thinks everyone here is stupid.

[spanone]

7. he's the guy who said Obama acted like a dick....he has absolutely no respect

fuck him

MSNBC Suspends Mark Halperin For Calling President Obama A ‘Dick’ On Morning Joe

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mark-halperin-calls-president-obama-a-dick-while-on-morning-joe-quickly-apologizes/

[cali]

9. yes indeed. that's precisely what the article says.

[spanone]

10. the article makes mr halperin appear like the partisan teevee journalist he is.

pals around with scarborough...nuff said

[Thinkingabout]

8. This is a great RW talking point, when I ask for their proof they provided HR 3200, this bill never

was passed so if you read the "law" seven times and did not see the death panels in it is because it is not there. I would have thought Mark Halperin would have checked his information better and could have reported this was not a part of the law. The death panel should put this misinformation to death to never live another day.

[DWinNJ]

48. I read the death panel portion of the bill

The portion of the bill that all the right wingers were screaming was about death panel and was eventually dropped.
In reality it just spelled out how people seeking professional advice regarding wills, advanced directives and other such issues had the OPTION of having it paid for (I think through Medicare) rather than out of their of pocket.

It was a great example of completely distorting the facts, giving it a scary name and getting a large portion of the public (who didn't bother to check it out) to go against their own best interest.

There is a death panel, it's called the republican caucus.

[grasswire]

11. Halperin has always been a stooge and a shill.

From the time that he was the press nanny from ABC with his daily framing to reporters on how they should cover stories and think about events. He was a stooge and a tool.

Still is, apparently

[Laelth]

53. Agreed.

A quick look at wiki will tell you that.

In December 2011, Halperin was listed as #1 in Salon.com's 2011 Hack List, his reporting described as "shallow and predictable" as well as "both fixated solely on the horse race and also uniquely bad at analyzing the horse race."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Halperin#Criticism

-Laelth

[winstars]

12. "It's a good day for John McCain" Lest we not forget what an dick HE actually is... nt

[DonViejo]

13. Halperin's an ass...and he's backpedaling like crazy...

Mark Halperin: I Don't Believe Obamacare Contains 'Death Panels'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251341319

He's one journalist I'd enjoy watching backpedal off a large cliff.

[Auntie Bush]

14. I've never liked him...he's such a di*k!

[grantcart]

15. I think you meant to discuss the abysmal record of 'Dick' Halperin.

[Blue_Tires]

16. Why is Halpern appearing on "Newsmax TV?"

Kind of a tiny niche audience to grant an interview to...

[Roy Rolling]

69. Ditto

I don't know which is more stupid, proclaiming the existence of death panels or admitting he thinks "Newsmax" is a real news outlet.

[Mr.Bill]

18. Actually, the ACA ended the death panels.

They existed at the insurance companies.

But if you're going to lie, make sure it's the exact opposite of the truth. Palinism 101.

[DeSwiss]

19. Bingo! n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

46. Yep. I know (knew) someone who gave up his cancer fight when the lifetime ...

..... insurance cap hit.

[KoKo]

25. That Halpern DOOFUS is still around and getting Creds?

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! I thought his latest book bombed...but, is he still spouting off idiocy on Morning Joe? I stopped watching that show but he used to be a "Regular" on there. They would fawn all over him like he was a "Wise Man" and he'd always fail to deliver.

[rocktivity]

28. The only difference between government and corporate death panels

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is that the corporate death panel POCKET the difference.


rocktivity

[Hestia]

29. Not to change the subject that much but is Palliative & Hospice Care part of the ACA?

I seen nothing on that particular subject.

Thanks!

[fadedrose]

30. What would we do without you?

You're not just another pretty face, you learn stuff and share it...

I wonder who else in DU has read the ACA....

[Gothmog]

33. Halperin is a hack

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I do not think he is a credible reporter

[Enthusiast]

34. Newsmax?

Newsmax has zero credibility.

[2banon]

36. All I can say is: It's about Damn Time

His so called "reporting" has always, always, always been, shall I say "lacking" (just to be nice), he's usually called upon to give the Neo-Con Analysis on political matters, always under the guise of "Reporter" never have I seen him specifically identified with a Neo-Con think tank, but that's his real affiliation which seems to be fairly obvious, at least to me.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. Could someone name the Liberal infiltrators in the media?

[riqster]

42. Calls into question his reporting?

I mean, somebody still thought he was a reporter????

[cheapdate]

43. Cali : I believe that the ridiculous term "death panel" refers

to the provisions in Section 3021 - Establishment of Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation within CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services). See page 271 of the PPACA, Public Law 111-148.

Section 3021 establishes a new group within the CMS to look at issues related to improving the quality and reducing the cost of care provided to patients in the two programs.

It's certainly not a "death panel". That's a wildly irresponsible claim.

[silvershadow]

44. Isn't he tight with the Clintons? If so, probably just muddying the waters ahead of the next cycle.

I can smell the desperation sweat starting to waft out of the bat cave…is it in Arkansas, Washington, or New York these days? They don't want someone like Warren or Sanders getting a real hold on the party. It is wistful, wishful thinking on their parts, as the train has long ago left the station. (All of this is a musing, nothing more).

[Laelth]

54. Educated musing, from my point of view. n/t

-Laelth

[another_liberal]

45. Well done!

Good for you!

(It's your noting, "I've read the entire law seven times," that really nails him)

[obxhead]

47. No Mark, you're thinking of how things were BEFORE the ACA.

Insurance companies were death panels.

Now the ACA has reigned them in slightly so they can't kill grandma or the grand kids quite so easily.

[Diego_Native 2012]

49. The IPAC is a board that determines reimbursement levels for Medicare...nothing more.

Those levels can be overruled by Congress at any time.

The IPAC is no different than the many, many advisory boards at private health insurance companies that set reimbursement levels for contracted providers. Only those private boards also determine what coverage will be permitted and what will not.

[INdemo]

50. I think all this bullshit is part of a strategy

set by the RNC..For the less informed voters, all they have to do is hear this once and it then becomes part of their analysis of the ACA.
Younger voters especially would not take the time to read this article or check the facts. They would jut go on repeating this others and this is type of a strategy the RNC will put forth because of they realize some voters will not research the facts.
This article being in Forbes surprises me but I would be curious how many of their right wing subscribers will actually read the article knowing the content is favoring the ACA
Halperin should be fired...but he wont be..But let an MSNBC evening host make a statement that is factual and they are forced to apologize

[Grins]

52. The best quote from the article...

The best quote from the article!

"...when someone like Mark Halperin make(s) such an unsubstantiated statement, thereby terrifying senior citizens, he may be a far bigger dick* than Halperin could possibly have imagined the President to be."



* Halperin, with Joe Scarborough in August of 2011, referred to Obama as, "I thought he was kind of a dick yesterday."

[drynberg]

56. I'm gonna ask Time Mag. if they really know what one of their "journalists" are ranting about in the

Name of objective journalism. If a dozen of us did this they'd think we were fringe, but a couple hundred might get their serious attention and bring about some consequence to this Mark Halperin poor excuse for a journalist. Join me.

[drynberg]

57. You may address your remarks and questions to the editor of Time with this address:

http://content.time.com/time/letters/email_letter.html

[SoapBox]

58. Halperin = Hack

What a asshole.

[treestar]

62. When asked to find it in the law itself

the best they can do is a provision about counseling people to have living wills. Most people I've met are for having those (I don't want to be in a permanent coma, etc.). Yet the M$M will never get into that. Educating people in the minimum is not in their job description.

There is an actual statute, it can be read online or in any law library. If it's not in that statute, it doesn't exist.

[WillTwain]

65. Look At His Hair

Halperin said Obama was "kind of a dick" in 2011 on Morning Joe. If you need evidence of him being a right-wing hack, check out his hair. It screams "Focus on the Family."

[Skittles]

70. whatever do you mean