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If the supreme court votes against the ACA can Jehovah's Witness bosses deny their employees (Original Post) mucifer Nov 2013 OP
Your boss is a Scientologist Freddie Nov 2013 #1
Science and Religion will clash warrant46 Nov 2013 #2
so your bosses religion can dictate your religious beliefs? I don't think so lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #3
We will have to wait and see what the supreme court says. They are nuts. mucifer Nov 2013 #4
not four of them lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #6
Yeah that's true mucifer Nov 2013 #7
Look what they did to campaign finance dem in texas Nov 2013 #5
The Lemon test needs to be strictly applied here. longship Nov 2013 #8
Should be interesting Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #9

Freddie

(9,258 posts)
1. Your boss is a Scientologist
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:40 PM
Nov 2013

No psychiatric care, counseling, addiction treatment, meds for depression, ADHD, etc.

What's preventing employers from converting to the Christian Science faith? No obligation to provide any treatment but prayer!

dem in texas

(2,673 posts)
5. Look what they did to campaign finance
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:12 PM
Nov 2013

Let's see if they can screw the American people again. After the Citizens United ruling, I believe the Supremes are in the pocket of corporations.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. The Lemon test needs to be strictly applied here.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:20 PM
Nov 2013

From SCOTUS case Lemon v. Kurtzman.

Click through for details, but Warren Burger set important guidelines on how First Amendment cases dealing with the establishment clause should go foreward.

The three criteria which Burger laid down in his decision are very important in all such cases where there are possible establishment clause entanglements.

Here it is, from Wiki:

The Court's decision in this case established the "Lemon test", which details the requirements for legislation concerning religion. It consists of three prongs:

1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose; (Purpose Prong)

2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion; (Effect Prong)

3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion. (Entanglement Prong)

If any of these prongs are violated, the government's action is deemed unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.


It is easy to defeat this challenge just on the first prong, as there is no way the arguments serve a secular purpose as virtually every argument against these ACA provisions are made in a religious context.

It also fails the second prong, although that's not obvious. One could argue either way, I suppose, but I do not think that the ACA opponents will deign tread down that path.

The third prong is fatal to the ACS opponents. There is no way that anybody could credibly argue that if SCOTUS rules for the ACA opponents that they would not be entangled with religion again and again, as other DU posts argue. Jehovah Witnesses and transfusions; Scientologists and mental health; Christian Scientists and reality!

I really hope this challenge fails. If it doesn't it might mean that Lemon is dead. That would be very bad.
 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
9. Should be interesting
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:23 PM
Nov 2013
When the Supreme Court confronted the case of Native Americans who were fired for smoking an illegal drug during a religious ceremony, Justice Antonin Scalia called a halt to granting religious exemptions under the Constitution's protection for the "free exercise" of religion. It "would be courting anarchy" to permit "religious objectors" to ignore the law, he said.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-religion-20131125,0,2545589.story#ixzz2loR8nbVM
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