So do we lament Miley

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

and her ability to objectify/commodify herself in this great land of ours, that the only way a young woman like her can get the cash she gets is by utilizing her sexuality to sell her person to her buying public.

Or do we celebrate her use of her sexuality to capitalize on those who would sexualize her--i.e., don't hate the player, hate the game--and see that she has played the cards dealt to her? And played them very well.

Or do we simply celebrate the freedom of a capitalistic system that allows all members to get theirs no matter how?

Or . . .

[CFLDem]

1. We celebrate her ability

to cooly play off controversy to great financial gain. So I guess a kid of #2 and #3.

[Kingofalldems]

2. Not this s*** again.

[Eleanors38]

43. Oh, you must! You MUST! It's a DU requirement.

[rug]

3. You're overthinking this.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

4. So help me.

Obviously, none of my 3 choices are sufficient enough (which, ironically, is the exact opposite of overthinking).

[rug]

11. See, you're not factoring Selena Gomez into this.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

17. Yes!!!!

Thank you, sir!

[99Forever]

5. Ummmm...

... how about none of the above?

Got a suggestion.

If you don't like a particular person or type of entertainment.

Don't freakin' watch it.

Problem solved.

No need to thank me.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

6. Yawn.

Really? This is vapid. Even for a 12 year-old. I'm looking for the brighter lights of DU to work through it. Is it empowerment or objectification? If it's only one's opinion, then repubs. have an equal and satisfactory position.

Good lord.

[99Forever]

12. Sorry whoever you are.

Even if I understood the gibberish you just posted, I'm still not interested in listening to people whine about things they CHOOSE to watch. Change the freakin' channel, read a book, pet your dog, go for walk, talk to your spouse, but please please please...

... stop shopping for stupid reasons to be "outraged," it's bad for your health, and people HATE self-righteous, self-appointed censors.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

16. O.K., we have nothing to discuss then, I guess.

I think you have a basic problem with reading comprehension. That's fine, and I'm not judging you, but my "gibberish" clearly went past you. No harm.

[treestar]

26. I don't think that's an answer to these sorts of things

People comment on the culture and what goes on in it. If people don't like a thing, they'll talk about that too.

[BainsBane]

35. That is true to a certain extent

Only that kind of high-corporate profit music inundates us everywhere. It's hard to escape.

[Enrique]

7. we turn our attention towards better music

every time we want to talk about Miley, we should talk about Lorde instead.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

31. Ding ding ding ding....

And she didn't need to strip to have a decent sound.

I'm not a big fan of either, but putting out the cheesecake in order to sell doesn't make much sense if you have talent.

[BainsBane]

36. Does Miley succeed with putting out cheesecake?

She looks like a child acting a fool to me. I don't see anything sexy about her. Do others?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. Not me either.

I feel a little sad for her, and I wonder if she thought this up or somebody else.

But she is not the first celeb to show some skin. I just don't find her music that interesting.

[BainsBane]

49. She's trying to shake her image as Hannah Montana

by taking a dramatic departure. If it makes money for her, I guess it's working. I'm certainly not her intended audience.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. She could try by making better music...IMHO.

I'm not sure who her intended is either, but they appear not to have musical taste.

Perhaps she thinks softcore porn is an esteem booster?

[kentauros]

61. I don't know who or what "Lorde" is,

and I still haven't heard any of Miley's music.

So I turn people onto online venues like somafm.com and let them decide for themselves what constitutes good music

[Tikki]

8. She is trying to stay relevant, not much different than a street kid doing anything to keep going..

some people understand and respect her for it…others, do not.

TIME will tell…ha ha...

Tikki

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

13. This seems rather naive.

The market makes this position impossible.

Of course, I agree in general with your premise, but the public capitalist aspect changes the game.

Her private life, yeah, who cares. But when she performs, this is, as a matter of fact, a public act. So then if she makes her money on public acts and the public gets to either consume or not consume what she sells, well, it's like me asking if Die Hard 4 sucks ass, or that Bruce Willis' acting sucks ass. Etc.

This ain't rocket science. She's made herself a public entity to be consumed, and I just want to know how DU considers her public status. You response really does very little to move that discussion forward.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

20. Purely silly.

This is Tea Party, libertarian nonsense.

No one is asking us the legislate her. I was simply asking about her effect on our sensibilities as market consumers writ large. Now yours may be a market response writ large, and would certainly fall under my category of "Or . . .", but it is not self-evident in the way in which you or other free-marketers conceive or peddle it. Your unregalated individualism may work well with Rand Paul, but it don't fly with some of us; what I'm asking about is how we regulate/view such things. All of our disagreements aside, thanks for responding to my question; I know where you stand.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

51. I don't consume Miley or GAGA so I really don't care, but I have a daughter who one day

might care about these people. That bothers me.

I hope that I can teach her not to be roped in to all this bullshit, but it is an uphill battle. How young women see GAGA or Miley will also influence how they see themselves, and I can't honestly say that they are helping anybody but themselves.

[lumpy]

23. Miley Cyrus might just believe that her sexuality is being exploited by some idiot using her in a

disgusting cartoon.The beef with me is not what Miley is doing for entertainment; it is the jackass that has depicted her in an obscene manner. I can can choose whether or not to watch her performance but the nasty cartoon was on my screen in my face, when I chose to open a forum post on the net.

[NuclearDem]

24. And that kind of crap has to be called out.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

54. Not having seen the cartoon all I can say is that you can also choose

Not to look at it; just like you would avoid a bad music vid.

[Initech]

10. In a few years...

Miley Cyrus will be a real life Jenna Maroney from 30 Rock (someone who is on TV but has a tenth of the fame she used to) while Justin Bieber will be in the "where are they now" section of the celebrity column.

[napkinz]

14. The Final Frontier ... or is that affront?

[DURHAM D]

15. Apparently You Can't Stop!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

18. Hah!

Nice

[erpowers]

21. She Does Not To Do What She Does

Miley Cyrus does not have to perform in extremely revealing outfits in order to make money. Taylor Swift normally wears more clothing than Cyrus, but stills makes the same amount of money, or more money than Cyrus. In addition, Katy Perry, as far as I can tell, rarely appears on stage as scantily clad as Cyrus and is one of the top selling female artists. There have been many other female artists in the past who have sold many records and they did not wear revealing clothing or go on stage with little clothing.

The problem with Cyrus is that she entered the entertainment business with a good girl image. She is now growing up and wants to shed that image. It seems that Cyrus is trying hard to gain great distance between herself and her Hannah Montana image.

[lumpy]

25. People say Cyrus has a good singing voice and she apparently did well in her TV series.

If she needed to get national name recognition she seems to have accomplished that via the 'twerk' performance. I think she would have done better fan wise if she had chosen to exhibit her true talent instead of rauch. She didn't come across as very sexy from comments I've heard, just raunch and not the best, at that. Maybe her next transformation will bring better rewards.
For her sake I hope she gets better direction on which way to go.

[question everything]

27. Miley who? (nt)

[Logical]

29. Really, that out of touch? n-t

[Eleanors38]

46. I can see for Mileys, and Mileys, and Mileys, and Mileys, and...

[last1standing]

28. Josephine Baker was selling her sexuality in the 1920s. How is this different?

I don't care for Miley Cyrus' music but she does provide a form of entertainment that many people enjoy. I find comments denouncing her to be a watered down version of slut shaming. A certain faction has always despised a woman who knows how to use her sexuality for her own benefit rather than meekly surrendering it over to a man.

[U4ikLefty]

55. Thank you!!!

I heard it with Madonna in the 80'S.

I don't necessarily like Miley's stuff, but I love the fact that she is ruffling feathers.

A lot of this is about her Hannah Montana role...but that's a whole different discussion.

[Logical]

30. Well, I love her more than any GOP idiot. n-t

[gollygee]

32. Is it Miley's turn?

It was Beyonce a while back, now it's Miley.

I'm not personally a fan of Miley, however I am a fan of Beyonce.

Women know they'll sell more music if they're hyper sexualized. The record companies know it too. They get tons of pressure to present a hyper sexualized version of themselves to the world, and then they get punished for presenting a hyper sexualized version of themselves to the world.

Leave her alone.

[BainsBane]

38. I don't think it's fair to compare Miley to Beyonce

Beyonce has talent.

[gollygee]

40. They're being treated the same

Though I agree that Beyonce has way way way more talent than Miley.

[BainsBane]

33. Or. . . her music stinks and she bores me

I prefer to listen to half way decent music.

She sells a product and makes a ton of money. Good for her, too bad for the rest of us that have to hear it.

As for sexuality, I don't see anything sexy or provocative about her, just tacky and talentless.

[JI7]

34. i find her boring

[DisgustipatedinCA]

37. We outlaw simulated twerking, that's what we do.

It's hard to tell the difference between simulated and real twerking. Shut it down.

[gollygee]

39. That's just stupid

This has nothing to do with rape porn and it's ridiculous to make a comparison.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. Thanks. I like you too.

Also, thanks for pointing out my ridiculous conflation. If you're able to go one step further and actually THINk for a moment about that conflation, and that to which it refers, I believe you'll be somewhere close to understanding my original point.

[gollygee]

42. I thought about it

and said what I thought about it. This has nothing to do with that discussion. Rape porn is a problem because of rape, not sex.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. Thanks for your considered response. Have a nice day.

[BainsBane]

50. That's too deep for some

They prefer a caricature. It's easier than having to consider an argument that challenges entitlement.

[FarCenter]

45. Isn't her current career direction a reaction to the breakup with Liam Hemsworth?

[Demo_Chris]

48. Neither, I prefer indifference tinged with scorn. nt

[Rex]

52. She wanted attention and got it and the money that follows.

nt.

[liberal_at_heart]

56. I love her song Wrecking Ball. I'm so tired of all the threads saying sex is bad. I think I'm going

to add porn and sex to my automatic trash by keyword list.

[libdem4life]

57. I was going to say why don't we just ignore her...then noted I clicked, read and, never mind. n/t

[scarletwoman]

58. Well, she's either laughing or crying all the way to the bank.

But she's on her way to the bank either way, and one could probably assume that is what she wants.

[lumberjack_jeff]

59. So long as the check(s) clear, I doubt she gives a shit what we do on her behalf. n/t

[MisterP]

60. just as long as she doesn't turn into her dad

[Warren DeMontague]

62. Where's the option for "We stop taking ourselves so god-damn seriously"?

[me b zola]

63. Other:

Miley reminds me of myself as a young woman. Personally the wrecking ball video makes me laugh at loud, same as the kitty thing at the AMAs.

[polly7]

67. I know ...

there's something about her, she makes me laugh, too. I think she's smart, spunky, and from the interviews I've seen her in - she seems to be a kind person. I think/hope she's going to do very well for herself.

[GReedDiamond]

64. I just don't buy into her/have anything to do w/her...except

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...except for where I did costume graphics for her in Hannah Montana: The Movie, for which I was paid fairly well.









Thanks, Miley Producers!

[donheld]

65. How about we ignore Miley all together?

[upi402]

66. She'll be fine

She's finding her way. Like most of us did but without the surreal life impeding the journey.