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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:16 AM Nov 2013

Have you changed your opinion of George W Bush??

You know, the moron that stole the election of 2000?

And was asleep at the wheel when terrorists attacked the WTC on September 11th, 2001.

And took us to war in Afghanistan and invaded Iraq.

And squandered a surplus that was paying down the national debt.

And gave a huge tax cut to his wealthy benefactors and refused to pay for his programs or his wars with tax money, in the process running up our debt beyond $10 trillion dollars.

And promoted across the board de-regulation that ended up crashing our entire economy just months before he was able to escape Washington.

And left the incoming President a deficit of $1.4 trillion dollars and a stock market in freefall.

And caused many in his own Party to temporarily leave the Party and form the Tea Party.

And went into isolation and became a famous paint-by-number artist.

With all the publicized "failures" of our present President, such as the ACA, have you changed your opinion about George W Bush??

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Have you changed your opinion of George W Bush?? (Original Post) kentuck Nov 2013 OP
Not one bit. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #1
Not in the least. Cooley Hurd Nov 2013 #2
Ha! hell, no! ...some nostalgia I found... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #3
I have learned to forgive him randr Nov 2013 #4
No. madaboutharry Nov 2013 #5
"temporarily leave the Party and form the Tea Party" ??? DetlefK Nov 2013 #6
They had no choice. kentuck Nov 2013 #9
Hear a squeak from any TeaBagger on the debt lately? They sure dropped that mantra just as quick Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #47
actually, yes. as time goes on, and we continue to see the enormity of his failures, of what his niyad Nov 2013 #7
+1 Scuba Nov 2013 #11
+2 dembotoz Nov 2013 #14
+3 annabanana Nov 2013 #19
+4E12 davekriss Nov 2013 #39
+5.0E+10 Coyotl Nov 2013 #92
+4 Yes, scope and certainty of criminality has grown & become validated. nt mother earth Nov 2013 #25
but he was on Jay Leno rehabilitating his image... Johonny Nov 2013 #45
I agree. mnhtnbb Nov 2013 #86
+ oo^10 Initech Nov 2013 #94
No. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #8
No, not at all. HappyMe Nov 2013 #10
Yes I have. 99Forever Nov 2013 #12
+1000! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2013 #15
No. Also - TBF Nov 2013 #13
I have to turn the show off..... llmart Nov 2013 #46
no but my disdain for him grows more every day kydo Nov 2013 #16
Nope. An incompetent crook and massive war criminal. belongs in prison for life. History will agree on point Nov 2013 #17
Yes! pipi_k Nov 2013 #18
Bush was consistant, he had two previous failed companies and he failed with the USA also. Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #20
I give george war bush credit for two things. Hoyt Nov 2013 #21
No. NV Whino Nov 2013 #22
weirdly, yes. Vattel Nov 2013 #23
hell no mokawanis Nov 2013 #24
Yes. His foreign policy seems way less extreme from today's perspective. Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #26
Having a few years to reflect I would have say.... underpants Nov 2013 #27
If anything he is worse than he once was and is art work leaves a lot to be desired Tippy Nov 2013 #28
Smirky was the GOP's useful idiot at best. lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #29
I kind of feel sorry for the tool ryan_cats Nov 2013 #30
I just think it a shame intaglio Nov 2013 #31
So much wrong with your question... RichGirl Nov 2013 #32
I don't miss him one bit yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #81
Uh, no. He's still the devil incarnate. nt valerief Nov 2013 #33
Yes, the more time passes the lower my opinion of him gets tularetom Nov 2013 #34
I kind of like his paintings. n/t leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #35
That's the worst of it. liberalmuse Nov 2013 #55
He's an enigma. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #88
I agree with everything in your post but . . . brush Nov 2013 #90
The passing years have only served to bring sharper focus to my disgust and hatred. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #36
+1 Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #70
No. krispos42 Nov 2013 #37
He seems less dangerous without Cheney's hand up his back pulling the levers. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #38
No. Cursed be his name, and may he burn for his crimes. nt IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #40
Yes Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #41
No I disliked him but never to the extent of those with Obama derangement syndrome kimbutgar Nov 2013 #42
My opinion of his artistic abilities is different treestar Nov 2013 #43
Only for the worse. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #44
Considering that most of the worst things I thought about him were true... JHB Nov 2013 #48
Yes, he was more incompetent than I realized at the time. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #49
Despise him more. He's like Reagan in that regard. cordelia Nov 2013 #50
From a certain viewpoint, he was very succesful at what he was appointed to do. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #51
Not only no, JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #52
I do view his presidency as a tragedy... CBHagman Nov 2013 #53
No. liberalmuse Nov 2013 #54
You should include libodem Nov 2013 #56
No, 8yrs of folly and waste... Historic NY Nov 2013 #57
I heard Laura Bush on a radio SA about "fighting hunger." Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #58
I can't even say it changed FOR THE WORSE since it was as bad as it could be BEFORE UTUSN Nov 2013 #59
I always found that the rancor against GW Bush, burnsei sensei Nov 2013 #60
No. DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #61
I despise him even more... KansDem Nov 2013 #62
Well, not really but OnionPatch Nov 2013 #63
NO. Th1onein Nov 2013 #64
no Bluzmann57 Nov 2013 #65
No. PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #66
Not a bit, Broken_Hero Nov 2013 #67
Of course not. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #68
No Sir. jschurchin Nov 2013 #69
Nope... ileus Nov 2013 #71
no kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #72
Fuck no! Ron Obvious Nov 2013 #73
Nope. sakabatou Nov 2013 #74
Nope CFLDem Nov 2013 #75
He did at least bring "peance freeance" to the world. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #76
No... CherokeeDem Nov 2013 #77
Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #78
I will when he takes back the Iraq war. n/t cynatnite Nov 2013 #79
Why isn't this a poll.... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #80
No. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #82
No Gothmog Nov 2013 #83
My opinion of him was pretty bad to begin with but slowly gets even worse as time goes on. stevenleser Nov 2013 #84
Are you kidding? The actions of an idiot cannot be changed by propaganda and cheesy photo ops. jwirr Nov 2013 #85
has something happened that might make me want to change my opinion? Sheri Nov 2013 #87
In what regard, Charlie?" nt bemildred Nov 2013 #89
Hey Artist tavernier Nov 2013 #91
No…! Grey Nov 2013 #93

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. "temporarily leave the Party and form the Tea Party" ???
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:22 AM
Nov 2013

You seriously think that any Tea Party Republican will ever say something sane again?

They can't! The picked the teabaggers as their voter-base and alienated the rest of the population. If they switch the tune again, neither side will vote for them.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
9. They had no choice.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:28 AM
Nov 2013

They could not afford to have the Tea Partiers leave their Party. If you recall, it was not Barack Obama that caused them to desert the Party, it was the huge debt and deficit and the bank bailouts that was the impetus for their desertion. It was only later that they switched to Barack Obama and the death panels as the cause for their disenchantment.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
47. Hear a squeak from any TeaBagger on the debt lately? They sure dropped that mantra just as quick
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:02 PM
Nov 2013

as their billionaire handlers saw the sequester was going to hammer military spending right along with the social welfare cuts.


They don't care to discuss the debt anymore if military budgets come into play.

niyad

(113,260 posts)
7. actually, yes. as time goes on, and we continue to see the enormity of his failures, of what his
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:26 AM
Nov 2013

actions have cost, not just this country, but the world, I loathe him more and more. every time I see that smirking face, it makes me ill, and angry that he and cheney and company are not in prison where they belong.

Johonny

(20,833 posts)
45. but he was on Jay Leno rehabilitating his image...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:48 PM
Nov 2013

and he paints. How can you compare making the lives of nearly the entire planet worse for a generation to a painting of a dog. Clearly those paintings totally changed my opinion of him!

TBF

(32,047 posts)
13. No. Also -
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:31 AM
Nov 2013

I watched his lovely daughter on the Today show yesterday and I have to say apple doesn't fall far from the tree ...

llmart

(15,536 posts)
46. I have to turn the show off.....
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:56 PM
Nov 2013

when I hear she's coming on. It still pisses me off to no end that that vapid, entitled brat was given the job when there are young people with real journalism skills who need a job, would actually work to get the job, and contribute something to the show.

Oh, and with regard to her dumbass father, he will always be a stain on our history as far as I'm concerned. I HAVE changed my opinion on Nixon though because of Bush. I would take Nixon anyday over the asswipe, W.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
18. Yes!
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:33 AM
Nov 2013

Now I think he's even stupider and more obnoxious than I did when he flew off into the sunset in January of 2009.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. Bush was consistant, he had two previous failed companies and he failed with the USA also.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:35 AM
Nov 2013

The US was more in debt when he left because of the GOP spending like drunken sailors. He always had his family to bail him out and this time he had Barack Obama to clean up his mess. I did research when he moved to Houston in order to establish residency to run for governor and did not find pleasant information, I decided from the information I was able to find he was not the man for governor of Texas. I voted against him in both governor races and when he ran for president. He still does not admit to his mistakes and this is more reason not to forgive him. Dumb as a post turtle.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. I give george war bush credit for two things.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:35 AM
Nov 2013

Signing the Medicare prescription drug bill. Even though it had problems like the ACA, prior to that Medicare beneficiaries often could not afford prescription drugs which were not covered by Medicare.

The other thing -- he did a nice job ducking the shoes thrown by the Iraqi journalist, although I wish at least one had hit him square in his stupid looking face.
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
23. weirdly, yes.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:39 AM
Nov 2013

I remember thinking he made his daddy look moderate and that caused me to hate his daddy less. But now compared to the current tea partiers, GW seems kind of moderate and that has made me hate him less. It's kind of like hating the Zodiac killer less because the Night Stalker was an even worse serial killer, but I have noticed that my attitudes do change that way.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
26. Yes. His foreign policy seems way less extreme from today's perspective.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

I would not have dared to imagine that our war of terror would have such bipartisan support. I know that this reads like snark to some, but I'm serious. I would never have thought that Drones and targeted killings would still be an issue in 2013...

underpants

(182,772 posts)
27. Having a few years to reflect I would have say....
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:47 AM
Nov 2013

NO!

"Houston we have your problem" - Jon Stewart - were the most prophetic words of or time

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
29. Smirky was the GOP's useful idiot at best.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:52 AM
Nov 2013




I always had the opinion he was below average in intelligence. He was thrust into the
political limelight solely on the hopes that his name recognition would get some votes.
He was the luckiest asshole to ever run for any political office.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
30. I kind of feel sorry for the tool
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:52 AM
Nov 2013

I kind of feel sorry for the tool. To me, it seems clear that he was a powerless figurehead while Cheney actually ran things. I still remember when Bush was looking for a running mate and Cheney was supposedly helping him. It was kind of funny that the guy leading his VP scouting team finds out that he is the best choice after all.

I don't like the feelers Bush is putting out to try and regain some respect such as his paintings. While I think he was a marionette, he could have and should have come clean.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
32. So much wrong with your question...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:55 AM
Nov 2013

Barely a month and ACA is a failure???? Geez...give it a chance!

I know that in the whole realm of politics, a president has a lot less power than we think he has. I didn't vote for Obama because I thought...wham bam...he'd fix everything. I also believe that real change takes time. I voted for him because I trusted him...trusted his intelligence, kindness, knowledge and felt strongly that he wanted to make things better. I am not disappointed in him. I'm disgusted by the way the right-wing has hindered him at every turn, made a campaign out of making him look bad, etc.

So...George Bush...he got us in a war based on a lie. But sometimes, because of his lack of intelligence, I think he was lied to also. So, I don't know and never wish anyone ill will.

When I was little and hung out with the neighborhood kids everyday of summer....sometimes out of sheer boredom we'd get some dumb kid to eat bugs. That's how I kind of see GWB.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
81. I don't miss him one bit
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 11:18 AM
Nov 2013

The ONLY thing I give him credit for is that he has NEVER bashed President Obama. Other than that he made the country a mess so I will always have disdain for him. Do I hate him? Not really because I don't hate anybody.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
34. Yes, the more time passes the lower my opinion of him gets
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:01 PM
Nov 2013

He presided over an unprecedented transfer of wealth from the middle class to the obscenely well to do.

Five years after he left office the situation has not even begin to turn around.

If anything, it's even worse that he had absolutely no idea of what he was doing but allowed his name to be attached to policies put forth by some real crooks. Even war criminals.

When he left office I was content that he was gone. Now I think he belongs in fucking jail.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
55. That's the worst of it.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:21 PM
Nov 2013

The fucker is a pretty decent artist. And he paints dogs of all things. Yet he killed millions of innocent people without blinking an eye, fucked up this country almost beyond recognition and can sleep like a baby at night. It doesn't mesh with my simple view of how things are supposed to work.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
88. He's an enigma.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nov 2013

You listen to him when he's being funny and he comes across as a really likable person that you might just sit down and have a funny chat with. He's very likable when he's just kick en back.

But look at the damage he did. All the people who died for nothing.

It is just baffling.

brush

(53,764 posts)
90. I agree with everything in your post but . . .
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 01:00 PM
Nov 2013

he's not a decent artist. Those paints are at the high school art class level — and not from the best students.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
37. No.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:20 PM
Nov 2013

He's still a shining example of a useful idiocy and why it should never, ever, ever be in a position of power.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
38. He seems less dangerous without Cheney's hand up his back pulling the levers.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:22 PM
Nov 2013

But my opinion of him is the same...he's a dummy/sock puppet.


kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
42. No I disliked him but never to the extent of those with Obama derangement syndrome
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Nov 2013

The tea billies are actually calling for somebody to take out the president I never would advocate for bush being killed. There still is some respect due a president. If I ever had a chance to meet President bush I would do it even though I didn't like him because he is the president. Ironically he got selected in 2000 and stole the election in Ohio in 2004 to win that is illegitimate in my mind . President Obama won by big margins in both yet the right wingers say he is an illegal president. Maybe the color of his skin has something to do with their thinking.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. My opinion of his artistic abilities is different
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Nov 2013

I went from thinking he had no talent at all to thinking he has minimal ability.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
48. Considering that most of the worst things I thought about him were true...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:04 PM
Nov 2013

...and he hasn't done anything since except display is myopic self-absorption, there really isn't much room for change.

My opinion of his (former) supporters has sunk, though, as they repeatedly demonstrate themselves to be a propagandist's wet-dream of an audience. The ones who swallowed every lie -- including the ones that rewrote what he'd been saying just two or three years before -- and now swallow every bullshit RW claim about Obama that comes down the pike.

cordelia

(2,174 posts)
50. Despise him more. He's like Reagan in that regard.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

It's easier to hate those bastards more as time goes on and more of the damage they've done to this country comes to light.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
51. From a certain viewpoint, he was very succesful at what he was appointed to do.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:08 PM
Nov 2013

He robbed the taxpayers blind, mortgaged the future of this nation for the next three generations, and turned incredibly wealthy people into obscenely wealthy people.

Mission Accomplished.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
53. I do view his presidency as a tragedy...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:11 PM
Nov 2013

...that ought never have been inflicted on the U.S. and indeed the world, and the results of it will not only last decades but forever. We can't get back the thousands of lives lost.

That said, George W. Bush sounds moderate compared to many of the current GOP elected officials, a fact that ought to terrify any sensible person, regardless of party.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
54. No.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:14 PM
Nov 2013

But it is a new kind of hell watching him get away with it all. The people in Iraq and Afghanistan are still suffering because of his actions but he gets to spend his days relaxing at his ranch and painting pictures of dogs. Makes me re-think this whole karma thing.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
56. You should include
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:21 PM
Nov 2013

A yes/no poll. And put 'HELL TO THE NO' as the only option.

I feel like yelling.


NOT ONLY NO. BUT HELL NO!!!11!!!!



To the Hague with that scum.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
58. I heard Laura Bush on a radio SA about "fighting hunger."
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:24 PM
Nov 2013

All I could think was, "You stupid, self-absorbed bitch. You and Whatsisname were in the White House for 8 years, and every fucking thing that retarded chimp did contributed to the hunger problem in America. Now you're after ME to fix the fucking problem your drooling husband and his asshole super-rich warmongering fuckhead friends created?"

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
59. I can't even say it changed FOR THE WORSE since it was as bad as it could be BEFORE
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:30 PM
Nov 2013

before, that is, he stole electionS and got to act out his actual deeds, or rather, give his stringpullers their opportunities. The only difference is that I couldn't have imagined what specific forms his dastardliness could take.

burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
60. I always found that the rancor against GW Bush,
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nov 2013

including my own, was rationally based.
I don't believe he was lawfully elected in 2000.
He should have allowed the recount to continue.
Period.
The war in Iraq was a project he and his minions had planned long before he was selected.
He isolated us internationally.
He undermined the American commitment to freedom.
He punished the nation with the Patriot Act, when no one living here was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, NO ONE.
He created areas of ambiguity in American law that allows torture, black sites and Guantanamo.
His neoconservative establishment discontinued use of the old Army Field Manual, which was sufficient and did not allow the use of torture in interrogations.
Frankly, I'm just getting started.
He was illegitimate. A bastard ruler, a bastard executive, and head of a bastard regime.
Period.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
62. I despise him even more...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:46 PM
Nov 2013

After destroying the lives of millions and millions, he will escape justice and die a rich man.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
63. Well, not really but
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:50 PM
Nov 2013

he seems just ever so slightly less batshit crazy after witnessing the Tea Partiers these last few years. At least they shine a light on how he got elected in the first place.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
66. No.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:11 PM
Nov 2013

Just because our party is continuing in his footsteps does not validate his actions, it invalidates our party's current actions.

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
67. Not a bit,
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:28 PM
Nov 2013

I still think of him as a two bit moron who couldn't even talk, and I bet he barely had the motor power to even lift the lid to take a piss.

The only thing positive I can say about him is that cluster fuck in Florida in 2000 forced me into politics, I saw a simple solution to a simple problem, and the Courts decided our President, not the voters. When the courts decide our President instead of the voters, you know something seriously fucking unrighteous is a foot.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
68. Of course not.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:28 PM
Nov 2013

Our country wasted eight years of its life on that man.

I'll believe others have changed their minds when I can find some Bush supporters who will admit to having voted for him.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
73. Fuck no!
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:02 PM
Nov 2013

I hate him with the heat of a thousand suns!

I never understood people talking about his supposed "charisma", either. I loathed him when I first set eyes on him. he always had that "deer in the headlights" look of a person completely clueless and out of his depths.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
77. No...
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 11:00 AM
Nov 2013

Still want to see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al., marched into The Hague and tried for their war crimes.

Bastards, all.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
80. Why isn't this a poll....
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 11:08 AM
Nov 2013

Oh..than again, we could probably guess the results. That would be: "Nothing has changed" 98.4%

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
84. My opinion of him was pretty bad to begin with but slowly gets even worse as time goes on.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 11:38 AM
Nov 2013

The more we find out about the behind the scenes things regarding the decisions made in his administration, the worse it gets.

Sheri

(310 posts)
87. has something happened that might make me want to change my opinion?
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 11:47 AM
Nov 2013

seriously. i am confused about the OP.

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