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"We are witnessing the beginning of a new phase of the nicotine epidemic and a new route to nicotine addiction for kids," according to senior author Stanton A. Glantz, PhD, UCSF professor of medicine and director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at UCSF.
E-cigarettes are battery-powered devices that look like cigarettes and deliver an aerosol of nicotine and other chemicals. Promoted as safer alternatives to cigarettes and smoking cessation aids, e-cigarettes are rapidly gaining popularity among adults and youth in the United States and around the world. The devices are largely unregulated, with no effective controls on marketing them to minors.
More at: http://esciencenews.com/articles/2013/11/29/electronic.cigarettes.new.route.smoking.addiction.adolescents
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)You have nothing to say about what I do.
Logical
(22,457 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Feeling ornery today? I suggest relaxing with a nice e-cig.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Response to Logical (Reply #7)
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spin
(17,493 posts)That can be a frustrating thing to be in a free society.
At one time authoritarians banned alcohol in our nation and that didn't work out well. More recently they banned many drugs and our War on Drugs appears to be a total failure.
I fully support your right to suggest that e-cigs should be banned but I personally feel that they are far less harmful than cigarettes and my experience shows that they can significantly reduce a smoking habit.
Logical
(22,457 posts)do you think that is authoritarian?
I think people quitting real cigs is great. I do not want ecigs being used where real cigs cannot be used.
Find one place I said to ban anything!
spin
(17,493 posts)in which you stated:
I guess unless I allow you to use them anywhere, you will not be happy. Tough luck. n-t
I feel you might have worded that better but I will admit that I overreacted to that comment.
Still I will argue that if they can be used in places where cigarettes are banned, they will become more popular and more people will be able to quit.
I know few long term smokers who are not trying to at least reduce their smoking. Usually they are unsuccessful in the long run. It appears that smoking e-cigs makes quitting far easier for many people and is more healthy for those who do not quit. Obviously more research needs to be done but it needs to be independent research free of control by the government who is looking for something new to regulate as well influence by the tobacco industry and the e-cig manufacturers.
I do see a danger in the attraction teenagers see in e-cigs. Still despite all our efforts, young teenagers still obtain cigarettes. It does appear e-cigs would be less harmful for them in the long run as possibly not as addictive.
Logical
(22,457 posts)I just mean I do not want them being in restaurants, bars, etc.
But if smokers might quit real cigs if they can use them in bars, etc, then maybe I am wrong.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)they are behind the counter or in a case that only the clerk can unlock. It's up to the stores to card them.
murray hill farm
(3,650 posts)for over 45 yrs. Tried to quit many times without luck. 6 years ago, quit smoking using E-Cigs in just 3 weeks. Still not smoking and never will again. Thanks E-Cigs! Some people just have to feed their "better than thou" egos...with such a reminder that they have never smokes, etc. In itself, it can become an addiction.
War Horse
(931 posts)by using e-cigs. Aiming for another 25 % reduction, and the goal is zero. Before I became a smoker I was extremely anti smoking. And I've since realized that I could be somewhat of a jerk about it.
If e-cigs really increases nicotine consumption among the young that is indeed a huge problem.
But to dismiss them as a quitting aid is just... I dunno. Something that someone who has never tried to quit smoking would do.
meow2u3
(24,759 posts)I haven't have a cigarette for two weeks, thanks to e-cigs.
This idea that e-cigs is a gateway to smoking for teenagers is a crock of shit. If anything, e-cigs, or personal vaporizers, is a gateway away from smoking, at least for adult smokers. This study is junk science which must have been bankrolled either by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, or both. They don't want competition from e-cigs, which really work to help kick the smoking habit.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)using those ecigs.
All of them raved about how they eased the way to quitting.
meow2u3
(24,759 posts)as an alternative. They get the nicotine, which hooked them on cigs in the first place, without all the tars and other crap that gets in the lungs.
So why all the hubbub about teens using e-cigs as a gateway to smoking? Sounds like propaganda designed to outlaw e-cigs for adults to me.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)to outlaw ecigs altogether.
The ecigs are always behind the counter anyway, so it's not as if a kid can just grab them. You have to be 21 in NY to buy real cigs or ecigs. Seems like more 'what about the children!1' nonsense.
meow2u3
(24,759 posts)"What about the children" my ass! The attitude of anti-vaping zealots is more "let's protect the children by keeping them out of the hands of adults."
Kurska
(5,739 posts)E-cig contain 1/100000 the harmful chemicals that cigarette smoke does, which means it is arguably not much worse than breathing the air in LA.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, he recommends e-cigs to his smoking patients.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)They are behind the counter here, so they aren't sold like candy.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)If they don't, there are consequences for it.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)There is a store here that closed because they sold to an underage kid.
What do you propose? Make everything illegal because some stupid kid might do it.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Plus it's a bit cheaper too...
Are you using a re-fillable or a cartridge brand? I have been using the Blu, I tried a couple others but this seemed to be the one that best curbs the urge for a regular smoke...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Their cartridges can be refilled (though not specifically designed to) with a tiny bit of effort. I occasionally do it just for a change in flavor but usually just smoke them as they come.
Good luck!!
3 years since I've smoked a "real" cigarette...and I don't even miss them.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I have non-smoking friends who vape without nicotine.
And I've whiddled down to almost none.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)That prior to 2008 when the e-cigarette devices were first introduced, use amongst Korean youths was at 0%, and then after their introduction a total of 9.4% of Korean youths have ever used an e-cig.
I believe that I found a correlation. Prior to 2008 the sales of Tesla automobiles was at 0%, and then after their introduction Tesla now holds 8.6% market share in the plug-in all EV category.
Boo e-cigs and Boo Tesla motors for bringing this plague upon us.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Not by the manufacturers, they haven't, because that would place them under FDA regulations for drug delivery devices (Sottera v. FDA). The closest companies have come to this is in the ads promoting them as a way to puff indoors- an indoor alternative, not a cessation device.
So has alcohol, which is emphatically not marketed to kids. For that matter, so have cigarettes.
76.3% to be exact, in spite of the fact that analog cigarettes aren't being marketed to kids and are illegal for minors to buy in every state.
which indicates that either the number of kids smoking also rose, or that most of the new e-cig users were already existing smokers, in spite of the fact that analog cigarettes are not marketed to kids and are illegal for minors to buy in every state.
Ah, finally, the heart of the matter. Headline reads: "New route to smoking addiction for adolescents", so which one did the kids start using first? The rest of the article suggests they were existing smokers trying to quit, which would mean the headline and premise of the article is incorrect. The study in the Journal of Adolescent Health is, unfortunately, behind a paywall, but here's a quote from the abstract:
The study was done on use as a cessation aid, not as a gateway device, in a country which allows marketing as a cessation aid, which the US does not. This article is junk.