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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:41 PM Nov 2013

Electronic cigarettes: New route to smoking addiction for adolescents

Nov. 26, 2013 — E-cigarettes have been widely promoted as a way for people to quit smoking conventional cigarettes. Now, in the first study of its kind, UC San Francisco researchers are reporting that, at the point in time they studied, youth using e-cigarettes were more likely to be trying to quit, but also were less likely to have stopped smoking and were smoking more, not less.

"We are witnessing the beginning of a new phase of the nicotine epidemic and a new route to nicotine addiction for kids," according to senior author Stanton A. Glantz, PhD, UCSF professor of medicine and director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at UCSF.

E-cigarettes are battery-powered devices that look like cigarettes and deliver an aerosol of nicotine and other chemicals. Promoted as safer alternatives to cigarettes and smoking cessation aids, e-cigarettes are rapidly gaining popularity among adults and youth in the United States and around the world. The devices are largely unregulated, with no effective controls on marketing them to minors.

More at: http://esciencenews.com/articles/2013/11/29/electronic.cigarettes.new.route.smoking.addiction.adolescents
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Electronic cigarettes: New route to smoking addiction for adolescents (Original Post) Logical Nov 2013 OP
Again? Can you explain your issues with e-cigs? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #1
I guess unless I allow you to use them anywhere, you will not be happy. Tough luck. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #2
You 'allow'? HappyMe Nov 2013 #4
LOL, no but businesses do. nt Logical Nov 2013 #6
Yes, and...what? HappyMe Nov 2013 #8
You're not empowered to allow or not allow me to do anything. Tough luck. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #5
I don't need it. Sorry you do. Try to quit. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #9
I think you just admitted that you are an authoritarian. ... spin Nov 2013 #32
I dont want them banned. I just don't want them being used where regular cigs cannot be used? Why... Logical Nov 2013 #34
Perhaps you are not as authoritarian as I suspected when I read your post ... spin Nov 2013 #35
Yes, I understand how you took that to mean I wanted them banned..... Logical Nov 2013 #37
Every store I have seen them in HappyMe Nov 2013 #3
I smoked a pack a day..plus murray hill farm Nov 2013 #10
I've so far reduced my consumption of analog cigs by at least 25 % War Horse Nov 2013 #11
E-cigs helped me stop smoking meow2u3 Nov 2013 #12
I know 3 people that quit smoking HappyMe Nov 2013 #15
E-cig manufacturers and vendors explicitly market them to adult smokers meow2u3 Nov 2013 #16
It sure seems like a load of crap HappyMe Nov 2013 #18
You also have to be 18 to buy them online or in smoke shops (or vape shops) meow2u3 Nov 2013 #22
Yup. HappyMe Nov 2013 #25
What people don't seem to get is nicotine in and of itself isn't more dangerous than caffeine Kurska Nov 2013 #13
I quit smoking after 42 years of smoking with e-cigs. And, my doc lists me as a non-smoker. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #14
I agree! 100%. but I hope kids do not think that they can use them if not current smokers. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #17
Can kids legally buy them? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #19
No and they cant buy beer either. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #20
Then what do you propose? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #24
That's up to their parents to worry about. HappyMe Nov 2013 #21
Neither is beer. And we know kids never get that. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #23
Then, what do you propose? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #26
Nothing will stop kids form getting it. I didn't propose banning anything. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #29
Responsible store owners will prevent it. HappyMe Nov 2013 #31
That's not my problem. HappyMe Nov 2013 #27
I am also using the e-cigs to quit.. and it's working. SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #28
I use GreenSmoke. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #30
Unwholesome Obsession isn't just a river in Egypt cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #33
Do you know you can alter the nicotine levels and/or have none at all? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #36
-.- Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2013 #38
So the gist of what I took away from this article Glassunion Nov 2013 #39
And the Misleading Headline of the Day Award goes to... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #40
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. You're not empowered to allow or not allow me to do anything. Tough luck.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:49 PM
Nov 2013

Feeling ornery today? I suggest relaxing with a nice e-cig.

Response to Logical (Reply #7)

spin

(17,493 posts)
32. I think you just admitted that you are an authoritarian. ...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:46 PM
Nov 2013

That can be a frustrating thing to be in a free society.

At one time authoritarians banned alcohol in our nation and that didn't work out well. More recently they banned many drugs and our War on Drugs appears to be a total failure.

I fully support your right to suggest that e-cigs should be banned but I personally feel that they are far less harmful than cigarettes and my experience shows that they can significantly reduce a smoking habit.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
34. I dont want them banned. I just don't want them being used where regular cigs cannot be used? Why...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:48 PM
Nov 2013

do you think that is authoritarian?

I think people quitting real cigs is great. I do not want ecigs being used where real cigs cannot be used.

Find one place I said to ban anything!

spin

(17,493 posts)
35. Perhaps you are not as authoritarian as I suspected when I read your post ...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:13 PM
Nov 2013

in which you stated:


I guess unless I allow you to use them anywhere, you will not be happy. Tough luck. n-t


I feel you might have worded that better but I will admit that I overreacted to that comment.

Still I will argue that if they can be used in places where cigarettes are banned, they will become more popular and more people will be able to quit.

I know few long term smokers who are not trying to at least reduce their smoking. Usually they are unsuccessful in the long run. It appears that smoking e-cigs makes quitting far easier for many people and is more healthy for those who do not quit. Obviously more research needs to be done but it needs to be independent research free of control by the government who is looking for something new to regulate as well influence by the tobacco industry and the e-cig manufacturers.

I do see a danger in the attraction teenagers see in e-cigs. Still despite all our efforts, young teenagers still obtain cigarettes. It does appear e-cigs would be less harmful for them in the long run as possibly not as addictive.


 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
37. Yes, I understand how you took that to mean I wanted them banned.....
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:19 PM
Nov 2013

I just mean I do not want them being in restaurants, bars, etc.

But if smokers might quit real cigs if they can use them in bars, etc, then maybe I am wrong.



HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
3. Every store I have seen them in
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:48 PM
Nov 2013

they are behind the counter or in a case that only the clerk can unlock. It's up to the stores to card them.

murray hill farm

(3,650 posts)
10. I smoked a pack a day..plus
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:25 PM
Nov 2013

for over 45 yrs. Tried to quit many times without luck. 6 years ago, quit smoking using E-Cigs in just 3 weeks. Still not smoking and never will again. Thanks E-Cigs! Some people just have to feed their "better than thou" egos...with such a reminder that they have never smokes, etc. In itself, it can become an addiction.

War Horse

(931 posts)
11. I've so far reduced my consumption of analog cigs by at least 25 %
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

by using e-cigs. Aiming for another 25 % reduction, and the goal is zero. Before I became a smoker I was extremely anti smoking. And I've since realized that I could be somewhat of a jerk about it.

If e-cigs really increases nicotine consumption among the young that is indeed a huge problem.

But to dismiss them as a quitting aid is just... I dunno. Something that someone who has never tried to quit smoking would do.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
12. E-cigs helped me stop smoking
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:05 PM
Nov 2013

I haven't have a cigarette for two weeks, thanks to e-cigs.

This idea that e-cigs is a gateway to smoking for teenagers is a crock of shit. If anything, e-cigs, or personal vaporizers, is a gateway away from smoking, at least for adult smokers. This study is junk science which must have been bankrolled either by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, or both. They don't want competition from e-cigs, which really work to help kick the smoking habit.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
15. I know 3 people that quit smoking
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:10 PM
Nov 2013

using those ecigs.

All of them raved about how they eased the way to quitting.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
16. E-cig manufacturers and vendors explicitly market them to adult smokers
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:17 PM
Nov 2013

as an alternative. They get the nicotine, which hooked them on cigs in the first place, without all the tars and other crap that gets in the lungs.

So why all the hubbub about teens using e-cigs as a gateway to smoking? Sounds like propaganda designed to outlaw e-cigs for adults to me.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
18. It sure seems like a load of crap
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:23 PM
Nov 2013

to outlaw ecigs altogether.

The ecigs are always behind the counter anyway, so it's not as if a kid can just grab them. You have to be 21 in NY to buy real cigs or ecigs. Seems like more 'what about the children!1' nonsense.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
22. You also have to be 18 to buy them online or in smoke shops (or vape shops)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:26 PM
Nov 2013

"What about the children" my ass! The attitude of anti-vaping zealots is more "let's protect the children by keeping them out of the hands of adults."

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
13. What people don't seem to get is nicotine in and of itself isn't more dangerous than caffeine
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

E-cig contain 1/100000 the harmful chemicals that cigarette smoke does, which means it is arguably not much worse than breathing the air in LA.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
14. I quit smoking after 42 years of smoking with e-cigs. And, my doc lists me as a non-smoker.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

And, he recommends e-cigs to his smoking patients.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
21. That's up to their parents to worry about.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:24 PM
Nov 2013

They are behind the counter here, so they aren't sold like candy.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
27. That's not my problem.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:32 PM
Nov 2013

There is a store here that closed because they sold to an underage kid.

What do you propose? Make everything illegal because some stupid kid might do it.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
28. I am also using the e-cigs to quit.. and it's working.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:32 PM
Nov 2013

Plus it's a bit cheaper too...

Are you using a re-fillable or a cartridge brand? I have been using the Blu, I tried a couple others but this seemed to be the one that best curbs the urge for a regular smoke...

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
30. I use GreenSmoke.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:45 PM
Nov 2013

Their cartridges can be refilled (though not specifically designed to) with a tiny bit of effort. I occasionally do it just for a change in flavor but usually just smoke them as they come.

Good luck!!

3 years since I've smoked a "real" cigarette...and I don't even miss them.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
36. Do you know you can alter the nicotine levels and/or have none at all?
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:17 PM
Nov 2013

I have non-smoking friends who vape without nicotine.

And I've whiddled down to almost none.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
39. So the gist of what I took away from this article
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:41 PM
Nov 2013

That prior to 2008 when the e-cigarette devices were first introduced, use amongst Korean youths was at 0%, and then after their introduction a total of 9.4% of Korean youths have ever used an e-cig.

I believe that I found a correlation. Prior to 2008 the sales of Tesla automobiles was at 0%, and then after their introduction Tesla now holds 8.6% market share in the plug-in all EV category.

Boo e-cigs and Boo Tesla motors for bringing this plague upon us.



LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
40. And the Misleading Headline of the Day Award goes to...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:06 PM
Nov 2013
E-cigarettes have been widely promoted as a way for people to quit smoking conventional cigarettes.


Not by the manufacturers, they haven't, because that would place them under FDA regulations for drug delivery devices (Sottera v. FDA). The closest companies have come to this is in the ads promoting them as a way to puff indoors- an indoor alternative, not a cessation device.

Despite industry claims that it markets only to adults, e-cigarettes have achieved substantial penetration into the youth market.


So has alcohol, which is emphatically not marketed to kids. For that matter, so have cigarettes.

In the U.S., the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently reported that the majority of adolescent e-cigarette users also smoke regular cigarettes,


76.3% to be exact, in spite of the fact that analog cigarettes aren't being marketed to kids and are illegal for minors to buy in every state.

and that the percentage of middle and high school students who use e-cigarettes more than doubled from 2011 to 2012.


which indicates that either the number of kids smoking also rose, or that most of the new e-cig users were already existing smokers, in spite of the fact that analog cigarettes are not marketed to kids and are illegal for minors to buy in every state.

Among students who used e-cigarettes, eight percent were concurrently smoking conventional cigarettes. After adjusting for demographics, current cigarette smokers in the study were found to be much more likely to use e-cigarettes than non-smokers.


Ah, finally, the heart of the matter. Headline reads: "New route to smoking addiction for adolescents", so which one did the kids start using first? The rest of the article suggests they were existing smokers trying to quit, which would mean the headline and premise of the article is incorrect. The study in the Journal of Adolescent Health is, unfortunately, behind a paywall, but here's a quote from the abstract:

As elsewhere, in South Korea electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) are marketed, in part, as a smoking cessation aid. We assessed the prevalence of e-cigarette use among Korean adolescents and the relationship between e-cigarette use and current (past 30-day) smoking, cigarettes/day, attempts to quit conventional cigarettes, and ceasing to use cigarettes.


The study was done on use as a cessation aid, not as a gateway device, in a country which allows marketing as a cessation aid, which the US does not. This article is junk.
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