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kpete

(71,985 posts)
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:49 PM Dec 2013

Thanks for killing the planet, boomers!

Thanks for killing the planet, boomers!
The world as we know it is ending, and the indifference by Americans, politicians and mainstream press is maddening

TIM DONOVAN

...............................

If you’re already in your mid-50s or later, and you’re lucky enough not to reside in any areas that are traditionally prone to hurricanes or flooding, you’ll miss the worst of our imminent destruction. But for those of us who are younger residents of this fragile orb, who hope to live long, healthy, happy lives — well, tough shit.

Unfortunately, the world as we know it is ending, and no one can reasonably hope to avoid the constellation of catastrophic, ecological and social disasters that are all but certain to manifest, exacerbating one another’s horrific, deadly consequences. And yet our politicians can’t be bothered to care, a substantial portion of Americans aren’t convinced that it’s even happening (despite overwhelming, unimpeachable evidence to the contrary), and the enormity of the issue is downplayed basically everywhere outside the bounds of the largely-ghettoized “environmental/green reporting,” uniformly marginalized and dismissed by the mainstream press.

It’s strange, this deep indifference to the greatest threat the industrialized world has ever faced. Imagine the global response if an asteroid half a mile wide were barreling toward Earth, and scientists were confident that it would strike our planet in 30 or 40 years. Imagine the Gene Roddenberry-esque cooperation and global oneness that would form among Earth’s peoples. Unfortunately, an apocalyptic meteor threatening our very existence is a pretty apt analogy for the ecological nightmare we’re confronting, except that in this funhouse-mirror version of reality we like to call “the real world,” our politicians are sitting on their hands as the asteroid hurtles ever closer.

By the middle of the century, the comfortable, wealthy, relatively-peaceful world as we know it simply won’t exist. The consequences of worldwide coastal devastation and the subsequent infrastructure damage from super-storms and storm surges combined with the “death” of the oceans – with ominous consequences beyond our current predictive capabilities — will ravage the world, our politics and our peace, preventing even the most insulated peoples and cultures from continuing their fat and happy early-21st-century lifestyles. And unlike every other time such apocalyptic predictions have been levied, these are based on extraordinarily well-researched, peer-reviewed studies and reports from hundreds of the world’s most well-respected scientists in their field.

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http://www.salon.com/2013/12/02/thanks_for_killing_the_planet_boomers/
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Thanks for killing the planet, boomers! (Original Post) kpete Dec 2013 OP
Yep, all us boomers...attended the first Nat'l Environmental Teach-In on the 1st Earth Day HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #1
Finally, better parking. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #11
Don't forget those Religions who want humans to reproduce like Rabbits warrant46 Dec 2013 #18
I think the Islamic world is the winner in propagation. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #20
I suspect poverty has more to do with it. GliderGuider Dec 2013 #21
Not to nitpick but El Salvador has almost no followers of Islam. former9thward Dec 2013 #31
It was just #109 on the list. GliderGuider Dec 2013 #32
What? Joel thakkar Dec 2013 #50
Sigh. Think much? GliderGuider Dec 2013 #53
confusing Joel thakkar Dec 2013 #55
Outstanding !! warrant46 Dec 2013 #39
Yeah, all us boomers started Big Oil and all the extractive industries that have been raping scarletwoman Dec 2013 #2
Only if you bought a K Car in the 1980's snooper2 Dec 2013 #57
More counterproductive baiting us against each other Newsjock Dec 2013 #3
Agreed. The article is all over the map -- evangelicals, boomers, Soc Security (?) KurtNYC Dec 2013 #54
Here I thought we should blame all those folks who spend $ on tattoos $ Dos. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #62
You are welcome. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #4
"Divide and conquer. Smirk. Sneer." - RepubliWankers (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #5
I know what the author means. kiva Dec 2013 #6
heh. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #38
Good one! llmart Dec 2013 #72
While blaming Boomers is BS the sentiments resonate flamingdem Dec 2013 #7
Donovan gets a few things right, but plenty of others wrong. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #8
+1 Scuba Dec 2013 #15
Thanks. I do try. =) AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #67
Yep, we did it. Iggo Dec 2013 #9
And don't forget its all America's fault Revanchist Dec 2013 #10
Oh, FFS Hekate Dec 2013 #12
Excellent!! flamingdem Dec 2013 #13
And PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #34
Damn whippersnappers - the noise they listen to these days!!! GliderGuider Dec 2013 #35
Iron Butterfly PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #42
Oh, I know. I was just poking a bit of fun at us. GliderGuider Dec 2013 #43
Yes, the giveaway comes in the very tail of the article hatrack Dec 2013 #26
Bravo! Well said!!! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2013 #30
+++++++ uppityperson Dec 2013 #60
I do hate to tell you -- but there are no easy answers: change requires work and there's opposition struggle4progress Dec 2013 #14
Damn! That's profound. randome Dec 2013 #65
I remember the 50's when almost every home in America was burning coal. B Calm Dec 2013 #16
I think coal-burning houses were just in a few areas by the 50s Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #71
I can't even begin to express the contempt I feel for this kind of dog shit. cali Dec 2013 #17
Unfortunately, this article is a simple emotional rant. The truth is a lot more horrifying. GliderGuider Dec 2013 #19
great post. thanks. cali Dec 2013 #22
Yes, because only those born between 1945 and 1965 are responsible! hatrack Dec 2013 #23
Makes me glad justhanginon Dec 2013 #36
Well Tim found someone to point at... 99Forever Dec 2013 #24
The boomers put an empty milk carton back in the fridge, too Orrex Dec 2013 #25
It's always been a 'dog eat dog world', some get to hide in comfort Rex Dec 2013 #27
Oh, hey - and here I thought it was just us Floridian Boomers! djean111 Dec 2013 #28
Simplistic pablum Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #29
Actually Tim we were only trying to kill you. Ganja Ninja Dec 2013 #33
lol perfect response for the self-absorbed little twit. cali Dec 2013 #59
Oh we are so sorry for doing what we could to raise up little assholes... L0oniX Dec 2013 #37
Guilty! MuseRider Dec 2013 #40
Sick of the labels mindfulNJ Dec 2013 #41
Who are "the actual people responsible"? GliderGuider Dec 2013 #44
all of us: kpete Dec 2013 #56
You're welcome. n/t ieoeja Dec 2013 #45
The Millenials I Know Fly Fly Fly - Around The World otohara Dec 2013 #46
Thank you for this ^^^ Newsjock Dec 2013 #64
The end of the world is comiong, the end of the world is coming, ...... Coyotl Dec 2013 #47
Donovan has a despicable agenda for sure but... Duppers Dec 2013 #68
And thanks to the previous generation that bred those boomers like rabbits. randome Dec 2013 #48
You should have seen the pollution when us baby boomer's were little kids! B Calm Dec 2013 #49
Remember this from the early 70s? pintobean Dec 2013 #51
Who could forget that commercial! B Calm Dec 2013 #52
One of our mistakes pintobean Dec 2013 #58
Of course I remember! Brigid Dec 2013 #70
Funny little sentence near the end. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #61
"No comparable institution?" And why is that? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #63
Because the author of the article is a complete fucking moron. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #69
This self absorbed little shit B2G Dec 2013 #66

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. Yep, all us boomers...attended the first Nat'l Environmental Teach-In on the 1st Earth Day
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:54 PM
Dec 2013

And then we -ALL- ran off and did our very best to destroy the planet...but in a way that it wouldn't get us.

I suspect it didn't actually go that way.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
18. Don't forget those Religions who want humans to reproduce like Rabbits
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:29 AM
Dec 2013

Especially the one where a guy wears a dress and talks about helping the "poor"

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
21. I suspect poverty has more to do with it.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:29 AM
Dec 2013

Top 20 countries by Total Fertility Rate:

1 Niger 7.063
2 Somalia 6.339
3 Mali 6.294
4 Afghanistan 6.288
5 Zambia 6.258
6 Uganda 6.149
7 Malawi 5.99
8 Chad 5.981
9 Burkina Faso 5.85
10 DR Congo 5.775
11 East Timor 5.578
12 Tanzania 5.544
13 Nigeria 5.525
14 Angola 5.443
15 Rwanda 5.371
16 Benin 5.287
17 Guinea 5.246
18 Liberia 5.238
19 Yemen 5.2
20 Equatorial Guinea 5.185[/pre]

There are plenty of Islamic countries with low fertility rates:

100 Sri Lanka 2.313
101 Oman 2.309
102 Azerbaijan 2.3
103 Kuwait 2.295
104 Kosovo 2.2893
105 Morocco 2.279
106 Qatar 2.271
107 Algeria 2.264
108 Guyana 2.262
109 El Salvador 2.25 (not Islamic, just included to keep the numerical ordering clear...)
110 Bangladesh 2.245

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
32. It was just #109 on the list.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:27 AM
Dec 2013

If I'd jumped from #108 to #110 someone would have complained about that instead. I did say "plenty of..."

On edit: I added a note to El Salvador in the post above.

Joel thakkar

(363 posts)
50. What?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:04 PM
Dec 2013

Srilanka is islamic state with 9% of population being muslims?


According to your logic --> Russia, Georgia, India, Israel etc all are Islamic as they have more than 9% of their population as muslims.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
53. Sigh. Think much?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

It's a list of nations ranked by TFR. I copied the list. I didn't say all the countries on it were majority Muslim.

The point is that whether or not a nation is mainly Muslim doesn't have fuck-all to do with whether they have high birth rates. There are high-fertility Muslim nations, and low-fertility Muslim nations. All the nations on the bottom of the list are desperately poor, however. That's my point.

Joel thakkar

(363 posts)
55. confusing
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:26 PM
Dec 2013

Ok..so why did you write :

"There are plenty of Islamic countries with low fertility rates"

and included sri-lanka in the below list?

I get your point about "Poor countries" and "high fertility rate". I agree that all (or majority) of the countries with high fertility rate are poor.

I would also add to that : Many poor countries can also have low fertility rate. For example : Bangladesh...fertility rate is 2.2 and we know that it is one of the poorest country in the world.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
2. Yeah, all us boomers started Big Oil and all the extractive industries that have been raping
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:00 PM
Dec 2013

and pillaging the planet since the end of the 19th century.

And we never once lifted a finger to try to stop it.

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
3. More counterproductive baiting us against each other
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:07 PM
Dec 2013

From a "top comment" at the article source:

This article is a blatant attempt to undermine support for Social Security, the only program that keeps our elderly out of homeless shelters and from dying in the gutters by attempting to ignite an intergenerational conflict that will only result in MORE uneven distribution of wealth. Does he think he's going to be young forever? You try working when you're 70. I'm keeping my $1200 a month

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
54. Agreed. The article is all over the map -- evangelicals, boomers, Soc Security (?)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:16 PM
Dec 2013

And yet avoids the biggest issue in Global Warming: the economy now relies on the manufacture and sales of disposable products and the fuel to make, power and transport them. A restructuring of the economy of the scale required is not likely to happen until some major crisis point is exceeded -- famine, epidemic disease, nuclear war, etc.

No one of any age group has the power to make the significant changes that will be required to wean us off of cheap fuel and disposable goods.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
62. Here I thought we should blame all those folks who spend $ on tattoos $ Dos.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:14 PM
Dec 2013

So, prejudice includes me and my $95/mo total Austin utility bill, 7,900 miles/yr car-driving, -500 gal/mo water use, purchasing used clothes, $800/mo SS after Medicare deducts? Didn't know the blame game worked that way. I will report to my repentance center tomorrow.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
4. You are welcome.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:07 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Enjoy sitting in

ecological and social disasters that are all but certain to manifest, exacerbating one another’s horrific, deadly consequences. ...those of us who are younger residents of this fragile orb, who hope to live long, healthy, happy lives — well, tough shit.


I did my part - driving to and from work every day. Oil. Pollution. Greenhouse gasses. Contributed to some landfills and water pollution as well. I suspect that
If you’re already in your mid-50s or later,
you did as well. As an act of atonement I recycle religiously now.

Of course if you are younger than the mid-50's your hands are clean and your soul is free....

Oh. And we apologize profusely for the mess we left at. Woodstock.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
6. I know what the author means.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:13 PM
Dec 2013

I wanted to live on a planet that didn't have nuclear weapons and atomic testing and that damn greatest generation screwed that up.

I wanted to live in a world with clean air, without the belching smokestacks of industry, and the gilded age robber barons messed up that hope.

I wanted to live near clean rivers, but the textile manufacturers and the mining companies polluted those in the 19th century.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
72. Good one!
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:47 PM
Dec 2013

Don't forget the airplanes flying over the house spraying DDT on us when we were kids in the '50's. The Greatest Generation had all those leftover chemicals from WWII and had to use them somehow.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
7. While blaming Boomers is BS the sentiments resonate
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:17 PM
Dec 2013

because at least I got to grow up with a beautiful vision of the world, especially of a fairly unspoiled nature.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
8. Donovan gets a few things right, but plenty of others wrong.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:32 PM
Dec 2013
Unfortunately, the world as we know it is ending, and no one can reasonably hope to avoid the constellation of catastrophic, ecological and social disasters that are all but certain to manifest, exacerbating one another’s horrific, deadly consequences. And yet our politicians can’t be bothered to care, a substantial portion of Americans aren’t convinced that it’s even happening (despite overwhelming, unimpeachable evidence to the contrary), and the enormity of the issue is downplayed basically everywhere outside the bounds of the largely-ghettoized “environmental/green reporting,” uniformly marginalized and dismissed by the mainstream press.


One of the few gems of real truth here(bold), though poisoned by hyperbole(underline).

It’s strange, this deep indifference to the greatest threat the industrialized world has ever faced.


I, and many others, would argue that nuclear war was the greatest threat; frankly, even a limited nuclear exchange during the Cold War would have done more damage to this planet than 3 degrees of warming. And that's saying something.

By the middle of the century, the comfortable, wealthy, relatively-peaceful world as we know it simply won’t exist.


I'm no rose-colored glasses type optimist, but Donovan is definitely wrong. Unless something like a Yellowstone eruption or Apophis impact occurs(neither of which are impossible, unfortunately), or some sort of extremely unlikely(perhaps forced?) long chain of coincidences manages to occur, then yes, the world as know it will still be here.(and no, that doesn't mean everything will be all hunky dory. It just means that barring any of the above, we won't be going into global Mad Max mode anytime within another couple of centuries, and that's in the unlikely event that AGW *doesn't* get brought under control.)

And unlike every other time such apocalyptic predictions have been levied, these are based on extraordinarily well-researched, peer-reviewed studies and reports from hundreds of the world’s most well-respected scientists in their field.


Not really, to be truthful. Global warming certainly would be no walk in the park, but virtually all of the global doomsday predictions that have come out over the past 20 years or so have been founded on nothing more than half-truths, misinterpretations(deliberate or otherwise) of scientific data, and even outright fearmongering.



Unfortunately, Americans have gained a cynicism when faced with these sorts of dire predictions, suspicious of any and all claims that the world as we know it might be ending. Between the craziness of the late ’90s — Heaven’s Gate, Y2K, David Koresh, etc. — and the earlier, heavily propagandized warnings of the “Red Threat” and “duck and cover,” from the ’50s through the ’80s, some healthy skepticism about the severity of this crisis by the casual newsreader might be understandable — even admirable.


Skepticism concerning the fears of supposedly inevitable "doomsday" scenarios isn't just understandable, but based on actual facts and real evidence.

But it’s also completely misguided and dangerous.


The same thing could be said about climate doomerism, Tim....and more accurately so.

Elsewhere, apathy runs rampant. According to an oft-cited research paper by Anthony Leiserowitz, a Gallup poll recently found that “the environment” was the 16th most important issue to Americans today. Even more troubling, among environmental issues, global warming ranked 12 out of 13 — just lower than “urban sprawl.” This apathy exists in spite of poll numbers that show a vast majority of Americans believe in man-made climate change and the requisite dangers that it poses. According to Leiserowitz, since the year 2000 polls have consistently shown that 60-70 percent of people in the U.S. “believe that global warming is real and already underway (74 percent), believe that there is a scientific consensus on the reality of climate change (61 percent), and already view climate change as a somewhat to very serious problem (76 percent).”


And unfortunately, a large part of this, outside of Koch and co. agitprop, has been due to *constant* fearmongering, including that propagated by the mass media(British readers in particular may remember that James Lovelock once predicted Berlin becoming as hot as Baghdad and the Sahara actually *jumping* the Mediterranean into Italy sometime circa 2004 or so).....and, the sad irony is, this has actually provided plenty of ammunition for those who seek to *stop* combatting of climate change.....using an outlying fringe statement to discredit the whole is a story that's all too commonly seen in history.

Finding real solutions will require global initiatives, and in a world populated by governments that seem incapable of “thinking big,” it’s hard to imagine our politicians coming together to make the kind of wholesale changes to our society and economic structure necessary to bring global emissions down to a sustainable level.


This is undoubtedly true, but how are more people going to jump on the boat, as it were, when so many people insist that it's either too late to stop global warming or always pushing the "it's worse than we thought" narrative every other year(regardless of validity)?

In an article for the New Statesman, journalist, activist and all-around badass Naomi Klein highlights recent research by climate scientists Kevin Anderson and Alice Bows. According to Klein, their “research shows that our entire economic paradigm is a threat to ecological stability.” Working for the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, Anderson and Bows have published papers suggesting that industrialized nations need to start cutting emissions by 10 percent annually right now if we want to have a 50/50 chance of staving off the worst effects of global warming. (Decades — centuries, really — of indifference make a certain amount of calamity and pain unavoidable, of course.) The only problem is, cuts this large to emissions have no historical precedent. Klein notes that during the Great Depression, the U.S. decreased carbon pollution at a rate of about 10 percent annually, but this was due to catastrophic economic collapse, which should give you a sense of the enormity of the challenges we face going forward.


You could have picked a better source than Kevin Anderson, TBH....he is one of the "fringe" elements, as it were.

And yet in America, the political challenges we face are significantly more ominous than the requisite practical challenges. There is a substantial faction of this country who hold enormous political power relative to their size, and will see every new storm and flood as further evidence against man-made climate change. Liberals hoping for some “Great Awakening” about this issue that might lead to meaningful change should consider a recent survey, reported by Adam Corner at the Guardian


Sadly, that is pretty much the truth(and we can all agree just which party is to blame, and it isn't the Democrats....), but it didn't help at all that even now, there is still the occasional article that blows things outta proportion and blames, entirely, *every* new *individual* storm on climate change; in fact, from what we do know, while we are able to look at long term trends, we *can't*, at this time, *conclusively* tell exactly how much of a role that climate change in any one particular event.

This is a fairly stunning revelation: Our income inequality is also a generational inequality.

What does any of this have to do with global warming? When an increasing share of our national wealth is held by an aging demographic minority, our national politics are only more likely to tilt away from confronting the “inconvenient truth” of our world’s imminent (yet slow moving) destruction. While the AARP spends over $100 million on D.C. lobbyists every year protecting sacred cows like Social Security and Medicare, no comparable institution exists to lobby on behalf of Mmillennials and “Gen Z,” the demographic groups that will face global warming’s worst consequences. We’ve been consigned to the sidelines, turned into spectators of the greatest disaster movie ever made. So go ahead: Grab a bag of popcorn and take a seat. The show has just begun.


Indeed, the reality of climate change IS an inconvenient truth. Nobody here will deny that. However, though, we continue to be hindered not just by the remainder of Big Fossil's agitprop but also by paranoiacs & bunglers, no matter how well-meaning, on our side. If we truly want to succeed in any reasonable measure, fear and loathing MUST be trumped by fact & reason, no matter how pessimistic, or optimistic, perhaps, one may be. And then, only then, can we complete the journey.

Thank you for reading this.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
12. Oh, FFS
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:06 AM
Dec 2013

The author no doubt will want to cut off our Social Security and Medicare because our entire generation is nothing but a bunch of entitled hippies or some other perjorative.

None of us ever fought in this country's wars or marched to end them. None of us ever joined the Peace Corps or became a public school teacher. Didn't ever get vilified as tree huggers or clean the oil off a dying bird. Surely none of us loaded newspapers and cans into our cars for all those trips to the recycling center until the state finally realized it was an idea whose time had come.

None of us had job after job outsourced, or our pensions stolen and our 401Ks devalued to penny stocks and junk bonds. None of us were foreclosed on. None of us were whipsawed by propaganda from the MSM and other formerly trusted sources.

I want to slap that little punk silly, but instead of resorting to violence or a pity party, let me just point out the author's vast blindness and who it serves: the endless greed of the 1% and the elected officials who serve them rather than serving the common good. Socio-economic class plays a much larger part in our woes than does any generational divide --- and "divide and conquer" still works like a charm.


flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
13. Excellent!!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:08 AM
Dec 2013

Touche

I'm listening to the PBS show about folk music from the sixties.

We did care, and we weren't cynical. People stood out and told it and there were major consequences for doing that then.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
35. Damn whippersnappers - the noise they listen to these days!!!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:54 AM
Dec 2013

I mean, we had Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida! What could possibly compare to that???

Edited to add: "Harrumph!!!"

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
42. Iron Butterfly
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:28 AM
Dec 2013

was hardly the best. I'm thinking The Who, Beatles, Stones, Janis, Jimi, Jethro Tull, Cream, etc

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
43. Oh, I know. I was just poking a bit of fun at us.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
Dec 2013

There was so much amazing music.

And so much commitment and dedication to the causes of justice and equality on this little blue marble.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
26. Yes, the giveaway comes in the very tail of the article
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:08 AM
Dec 2013

SS and Medicare as "sacred cows" - right-o!

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
60. +++++++
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:55 PM
Dec 2013

none of us worked to make or keep the right to a safe legal hygienic abortion legal, or even the right to contraception legal, not to mention other rights based on sex, sexual orientation, skin color, religious belief or lack of, etc etc etc.

struggle4progress

(118,280 posts)
14. I do hate to tell you -- but there are no easy answers: change requires work and there's opposition
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:18 AM
Dec 2013

Modern medicine, including antibiotics and vaccines, will produce population growth: world population has nearly doubled since I started paying attention

When there are more people, more food is required: that requires better farming techniques, and pesticides and mass-produced nitrogen fertilizer provide relatively easy ways to increase crop yields

People around the world also want improved standards of living and cheaper products: with current practices, that seems to entail more industrial production and more pollution

Material considerations always produce conflict. And economic forces are enormously powerful, even without any nefarious collusion of business interests

There's no magic bullet here. Individual virtue ("I recycle!&quot is important -- but it is also completely inadequate. Far-sighted ideas ("Why can't we have this utopia I imagine?&quot are attractive -- but they're also a lazy cop-out if there no practical path: many people will select alternatives, but only if the alternative really exists. Street activism can educate people -- but only if the activists really know their stuff, and in my experience such activism very often merely salves the activists' own consciences, allowing them to feel good as protesting prophets without simultaneously forcing them to become effective. Political engagement is essential, too -- but it's an uphill climb that currently requires gigantic investments of time and energy for what may seem small gains

The reality is that nobody is bright enough to understand -- let alone solve! -- more than one or two of the multiply interlinked issues that together keep modern industrial civilization rolling towards its collision with its own unsustainability

If you want to make a real difference, you have to pick a small piece of the puzzle and really focus on it, until you know it like your own skin, and you need to meet a lot of other people who work diligently and intelligently on different, but related, issues; you have to set aside your own prejudices and preferences somewhat in favor of asking what is doable now; and you must avoid all facile meaningless abstractions when discussing issues, in favor of explicit material facts: unfortunately, the internet can be less of a help here, and more of a hindrance, than one might think





 

randome

(34,845 posts)
65. Damn! That's profound.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:28 PM
Dec 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
71. I think coal-burning houses were just in a few areas by the 50s
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:16 PM
Dec 2013

Most people in rural wooded areas had wood-burning heaters-- pot-belly stoves and fireplaces. Gas and electric central heating was fast replacing coal in many of the more urbanized parts of the country. My grandparents' house, which they bought in 1950, had open-flame gas heaters as well as a fireplace. By the end of the decade, they had installed electric central heating.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. I can't even begin to express the contempt I feel for this kind of dog shit.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:03 AM
Dec 2013

blaming "the boomers" for everything under the sun has become a cottage industry. I would never, as this idiot INDIVIDUAL little millenial does, blame an entire generation for global climate change. It's a wee bit more complex than that.

the problem isn't generational income inequality. It's a problem of the 1% vs everyone else.

"What does any of this have to do with global warming? When an increasing share of our national wealth is held by an aging demographic minority, our national politics are only more likely to tilt away from confronting the “inconvenient truth” of our world’s imminent (yet slow moving) destruction. While the AARP spends over $100 million on D.C. lobbyists every year protecting sacred cows like Social Security and Medicare, no comparable institution exists to lobby on behalf of Mmillennials and “Gen Z,” the demographic groups that will face global warming’s worst consequences. We’ve been consigned to the sidelines, turned into spectators of the greatest disaster movie ever made.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
19. Unfortunately, this article is a simple emotional rant. The truth is a lot more horrifying.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:49 AM
Dec 2013

Something closer to the truth would be this:

Given a species with an evolved limit-defeating brain like ours, living on a planet with a surfeit of combustible carbon and a benign climate, this outcome was utterly unavoidable. It has been in the cards since we first tamed fire, made the first stone tool, yoked the first draft animal, planted and tended the first seed, created the first village, selected the first chief, put up the first water wheel, built the first road, sailed the first boat...

The boomers just happened to be alive when we noticed that the petri dish was half full. Right about when the "Consumption" line crossed the "Carrying Capacity" line in this next graph:



It's not even population on its own we have to worry about, but the product of the number of people times the per capita consumption (I=PAT). If we use "per capita energy consumption" as the proxy for our general average human consumption, there are now the equivalent of 140 billion naked apes chewing away at the planet:



Here is a series of short essays that frame the topic from this perspective:

Carrying Capacity and Overshoot: Another Look
Thermodynamic Footprints
No Really, How Sustainable Are We?
Paradise Lost

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
23. Yes, because only those born between 1945 and 1965 are responsible!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:43 AM
Dec 2013


In that boomers were those (more or less) in charge when it became very clear as to what we were confronting on climate back in the late 1980s, there's kinda sorta maybe a slice of a piece of a half-assed point here, but it's a bit more complicated than that . . .

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
24. Well Tim found someone to point at...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:51 AM
Dec 2013

... now Timmie, just what the fuck are you going to do to improve the world, beyond whining and pissing and moaning about how "unfair" it is?

I've got a news flash for your punk ass, some of us "boomers" have been fighting this battle against the 1%er shitheels virtually our entire lives.

So Timmie, put on your bigboy pants and DO SOMETHING or just STFU, whiner.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. It's always been a 'dog eat dog world', some get to hide in comfort
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:12 AM
Dec 2013

for a bit and fool themselves. Once the planet realigns itself, we shall see what dogs are left.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
28. Oh, hey - and here I thought it was just us Floridian Boomers!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:16 AM
Dec 2013

What a load of divisive crap.
And what is the author doing, besides whining and painting with a very incorrectly broad brush?
Anyway, none of the Boomers I know were out camping for goods on Thanksgiving.
I believe a more intelligent form of argument would pit the super rich and corporations and the MIC against everybody else.

Anyone who thinks the politicians will do anything is a fool. I don't know what the answer is, but it is NOT to just keep electing people based on a team name and hope things will change. The TPP is, at least, up front about who is in charge. And it ain't politicians, they are just the well-paid footmen.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
29. Simplistic pablum
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:22 AM
Dec 2013

designed to pit one generation against the rest. Nevermind that a good portion of us are the ones who run the food banks, the homeless shelters, the medical clinics for the poor, ALL THAT IS BAD IS THE FAULT OF THE BOOMERS!!111!!!!

I'm surprised at Salon. They usually have much more intellectually honest columnists. Missed BIG TIME on this one.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
33. Actually Tim we were only trying to kill you.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:42 AM
Dec 2013

Too bad about the collateral damage but mission accomplished nonetheless.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
37. Oh we are so sorry for doing what we could to raise up little assholes...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:10 AM
Dec 2013

who won't help care for their elderly parents.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
40. Guilty!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:24 AM
Dec 2013

I know my old Boomer ass has never given a shit about anyone else. I got mine baby and am leaving what I don't use to my kids. < cause you just never know

WTH Salon?

My favorite all time argument here on DU was with a 20 something who asked me why the hell I was not out organizing against something or other that Bush** was doing because he wanted to do something but nobody had set anything up. I probably should have been kinder to him.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
41. Sick of the labels
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:27 AM
Dec 2013

"boomers" "busters" "millennials". Just stop already. How about holding the actual people responsible, responsible, instead of painting the entire time period the culprit just happened to be born into. So f*cking simplistic and intellectually lazy.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
44. Who are "the actual people responsible"?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

The ones who sold us the idea of progress, or those of us who bought it?

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
46. The Millenials I Know Fly Fly Fly - Around The World
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:38 PM
Dec 2013

around the country, like there's no tomorrow. My son's friends of rich families have traveled more in their short life than any one baby boomer I know. They talk a lot about the environment and buy organic food/clothes - but close their eyes to the damage Boeing does because that would mean their life of unlimited travel would come to a screeching halt.

Look up in the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! Yes, it’s a plane.

On any given day odds are you'll see several contrails, some slowly spreading out to form high, cirrus clouds. Air travel just keeps growing—and the atmosphere is starting to notice.

The act of burning kerosene and other aviation fuels to power jet engines and propellers means carbon dioxide emissions, among other types of pollution. And that CO2, plus water vapor and the like is deposited high in the atmosphere, where it contributes most effectively to global warming.

The world’s nations have spent years trying to come up with a way to restrain air travel emissions. And this week the International Civil Aviation Organization, the ICAO, a U.N. body, agreed on a plan to do just that—that won’t take effect until 2020. Hence the flyby in Montreal of a chartered plane trailing the banner: "Can't Spell Procrastination without ICAO."http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=airplane-pollution-needs-to-descend-13-10-06

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
64. Thank you for this ^^^
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:23 PM
Dec 2013

While they're busy "saving the world" with yet another food-delivery Android app, they're jetting off to all these exotic locales, often just on "mileage runs" so they can preserve their "status" with the airline.

As distasteful as I find this, however, I can empathize. As I see it (because I, too, often feel the same way), all this jetting around is going on because they've already conceded that the battle is lost -- that the world is in irrevocable decline, with no hope for the future, if there is a future at all, so they might as well see what they can see of it now before it all goes away and/or becomes out of reach.

Can't say that I haven't thought more than once about walking away from the job and just seeing the world until the cash (and plastic?) runs out, then plunging off the edge of Nordkapp before I become a burden to myself or others.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
47. The end of the world is comiong, the end of the world is coming, ......
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:48 PM
Dec 2013

Hyperbole is not useful when discussing serious topics.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
68. Donovan has a despicable agenda for sure but...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:43 AM
Dec 2013

But you're sounding dismissive of this description of the DIRE mess humans have made of the planet's ability to sustain MOST life for even a few more centuries.

I have only one child and I'm extremely concerned for his quality of life in the next 60+ yrs. It really depresses me. And he's so concerned that he's wisely planned to never have any children.

This is hyperbole??

'Sleepwalking to Extinction': Capitalism and the Destruction of Life and Earth
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/11/15-3

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines
By Dr. Michael Mann, Ph.D
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/17/1255763/-The-Hockey-Stick-rides-again?detail=hide


WED NOV 13, 2013
Al Gore: "Civilization might not survive the next 100 years"



Al Gore says we've reached a point where the very survival of our civilization is at risk.




 

randome

(34,845 posts)
48. And thanks to the previous generation that bred those boomers like rabbits.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:53 PM
Dec 2013

And thanks for WWII.

We're all to blame.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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pintobean

(18,101 posts)
51. Remember this from the early 70s?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:10 PM
Dec 2013

Boomers are more responsible for cleaning up, rather than making the mess.



Edit - duh, forgot the link.
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
52. Who could forget that commercial!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

I can't believe the OP blaming the Baby Boomer's, that's just stupid!

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
58. One of our mistakes
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:53 PM
Dec 2013

was educating some idiots.

(Referring to the author of the article in the OP, not the DUer who posted it.)

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
70. Of course I remember!
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

And ecologists will tell you that you can tell by the layers in the silt on the floors of Lake Erie how much progress we have made on reducing pollution. To say that we boomers trashed the planet is ridiculous.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
61. Funny little sentence near the end.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 02:06 PM
Dec 2013

"While the AARP spends over $100 million on D.C. lobbyists every year protecting sacred cows like Social Security and Medicare, no comparable institution exists to lobby on behalf of Mmillennials and “Gen Z,” the demographic groups that will face global warming’s worst consequences."

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
69. Because the author of the article is a complete fucking moron.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:38 PM
Dec 2013

AARP is fighting for these other generations. I think the author is huffing paint.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
66. This self absorbed little shit
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:43 PM
Dec 2013

has probably emitted more carbon during his 30 years on the planet than 10 boomers combined.

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