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enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
3. It was the right way to put it.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:02 PM
Dec 2013

If he had said "it's welfare for wealthy people" then somebody would be jumping all over the comment, comparing the farm subsidies to welfare and saying that they aren't the same, at all, at all . . .

Adding a modifier, even if everyone knows the truth, sometimes keeps the wolves at bay.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
4. Actually, the GOP has since passed a SNAP bill separated from the Farm bill
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:10 PM
Dec 2013

a terrible bill that cut $40 billion.

This said, I blame the Dems partly for this. There was a bill negotiated between the GOP and the Dems that cut only $11 billion ( ). The GOP added a couple poisoned amendments and the Democrats refused to vote for it as did the Tea Party (too many SNAP funds). This is how we ended up where we were.

I understand that Dems did not like the amendments added, but this is why we have conferences. Add to this that the conference would have to negotiate between a $4billion cut (senate version) and a 11 billion cut (initial House bill) rather than $40 billion. Guess which negotiation would have helped poor people the most.

Yes, the GOP are horrible, but sometimes you have to work with these horrible people to help people and decide what matters to you.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
20. No, that would be guess which negotiation would hurt poor people the least.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:51 PM
Dec 2013

Neither would help them at all.

When the Republicans propose $40 billion in cuts the Democrats should propose a $60 billion increase. They need to learn how to negotiate.

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
7. Weak, as you would expect.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:39 PM
Dec 2013

Kelly defended the House plan to pass the bill in separate parts, saying they had tried to put a bigger piece of legislation together, but couldn’t reach an agreement and had been forced to go another route.

Asked by Schieffer if the money would still come, he said “absolutely."

“I have never talked to one person who said we do not want to take care of the most vulnerable,” he said.

“What bothers me is that one in six Americans is on this program,” he said. “We’re wasting billions on a program that’s not lifting people from poverty, but keeping them in.”

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), also a guest on "Face the Nation," scoffed at Kelly’s suggestion that food stamps were working to keep people down.

“It’s because their wages and incomes are so low," Durbin said. "They’re working but they can’t feed their children. It isn’t a matter of defrauding American tax payers.”

http://www.politico.com/

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. I do wish the Democrats would keep on harping on the fact that so many
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:44 PM
Dec 2013

are on food stamps because they're so poor, NOT because they are gaming the system.

The ones gaming the system are the ones taking money for not growing crops.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
18. So many are on food stamps because they work at Mall Wart, McDouchebag's
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:51 AM
Dec 2013

& K Wart.

Those corporations rely on the public purse to provide enough nutrition to keep their wage slaves alive, and then have the gall to push for cuts to the system.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
8. K&R
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:51 PM
Dec 2013

I don't watch the Sunday shows because it makes my BP soar, and especially when I watch old Bob with his leading winger questions to his winger guests. Actually, it's kind of hard to believe that question came out of his mouth (but I'm sure it did, since you say so Playinghardball.)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
14. Well, the quote was dated July 2013...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:20 PM
Dec 2013

... if someone on DU doesn't catch things and report on it, I would never know cause like I said, I just can't watch the winger Sunday morning shows, especially Candy Crowley on CNN.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. I guess I have to go through this again....
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:55 PM
Dec 2013

Republicans are fucking lazy idiots who are WAY overpaid and just ASSUME that ANYONE can be an overpaid idiot because it was EASY for them.

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