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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:48 PM Dec 2013

Why Benjamin Netanyahu Gave The Pope A Book About The Spanish Inquisition

Today Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met Pope Francis at the Vatican. According to the DPA news agency, Netanyahu brought with him a slightly unusual gift: A book about the Spanish inquisition.

The leader of the world's only Jewish state giving the leader of the Catholic Church a book that largely revolves about Spanish Catholics questioning, torturing, and punishing Jewish converts to Catholicism is certainly noteworthy. The Spanish inquisition is widely held up as one of the worst excesses of the Roman Catholic Church, and thousands of people were expelled from Spain or burned at the stake. Worse still, the inquisition of Catholic converts (and the use of torture to discover heretics) was first legally sanctioned by Pope Innocent IV.

So, Netanyahu's gift may seem passive aggressive (or maybe just aggressive), and perhaps it is. But it is important to think of the context of the book, which is written by Netanyahu's father Ben-Zion Netanyahu, a well-regarded historian who worked at both Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Cornell University.

The elder Netanyahu's impact on his politician son is well-known within Israeli circles. In 1998, David Remnick of the New Yorker wrote that while Ben-Zion Netanyahu's opinions frequently differed from his son, the pessimism of his right wing worldview influenced his son's hawkish policies. “His dilemma is always to what degree he can, or should, remain true to the ideals, the stubbornness, of his father," Remnick observed.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/netanyahu-gave-pope-book-about-spanish-inquisition-2013-12

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Why Benjamin Netanyahu Gave The Pope A Book About The Spanish Inquisition (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP
I'll bet the Pope was surprised; after all, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2013 #1
had to google it... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #3
Hah! DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #16
You'll notice that Bigmack Dec 2013 #2
I wonder if it will resonate with Pope Francis? JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #4
The Pope should have just refused it, or send it back. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #5
Your right, a book asking why the church keeps those cardinals who covered up the child abuses lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #6
Oh really? thats what you got from my post?? darkangel218 Dec 2013 #7
I don't care for Bibi but he gave the Pope the right gift. CTyankee Dec 2013 #8
The pope is well aware of what awful things the Inquisition did. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #9
Agreed. It's like meeting with Merkel and giving her LittleBlue Dec 2013 #10
My family is jewish and no one agrees with him. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #12
well, he did what his party expected. I think there should be some reminders now and again CTyankee Dec 2013 #11
Oh please! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #13
Oh, yeah, Bibi is a real asshole but I don't mind reminding the church of its own atrocities CTyankee Dec 2013 #14
Yes I agree. But do you realy think the Pope needs to be reminded of it? darkangel218 Dec 2013 #15
well, this is a political statement. Bibi, for all his faults, does not have to kiss the Papal ring CTyankee Dec 2013 #20
That is pretty funny. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #17
For those who insist that such a gift was unnecessary, DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #18
In return the Pope should have given Benny a book by Günter Grass Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #19
similar to this moment Enrique Dec 2013 #21
Very similar, I'd never heard of the book, sounds like a good read. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #22

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
4. I wonder if it will resonate with Pope Francis?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:02 PM
Dec 2013

Seeing as the modern persecution is towards Muslims - at least in parts of Western Europe. My husband is from Italy - the problem is less "race" as it is religion and origin. That is "once again" an issue there. So is Mr. Netanyahu who has these same issues (African immigrants at least) in his country saying - lets work on this together to make sure there is not another Holocaust - but of Muslims, GLBT, "Gypsies", Blacks, and Asians in Europe? Or is suggesting that Pope Francis has to do whatever Mr. Netanyahu says because of the S.I.?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
5. The Pope should have just refused it, or send it back.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:04 PM
Dec 2013

Sorry, no matter how you look at it, what Bibi did was fuct up.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
6. Your right, a book asking why the church keeps those cardinals who covered up the child abuses
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:11 PM
Dec 2013

Should have been given instead

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
8. I don't care for Bibi but he gave the Pope the right gift.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:40 PM
Dec 2013

If ever there was an appalliing application of raw power and cruelty against a people, the Spanish Inquisition was certainly one.

That's probably the only thing I agree on with Netanyahu...

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
9. The pope is well aware of what awful things the Inquisition did.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:43 PM
Dec 2013

Hell, if was living back then, I would have probably ended up burned alive.

But this is not a proper "gift". This pope is not guilty for what his ancestors did. Sorry.

Bibi seems to be only looking for conflict. with everything and anyone.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
10. Agreed. It's like meeting with Merkel and giving her
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:47 PM
Dec 2013

a WW2 book, or meeting the Japanese PM and giving him a book on the occupation of China.

Such a ham-handed insult is indicative of a fratboy prankster, not a head of state. No wonder Netanyahu is a pariah

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
11. well, he did what his party expected. I think there should be some reminders now and again
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:47 PM
Dec 2013

of atrocities against minorities. I wish Bibi had more sensitivity to his own minorities, but that is another political argument...

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
14. Oh, yeah, Bibi is a real asshole but I don't mind reminding the church of its own atrocities
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

every now and then. And you DO agree that the Spanish Inquisition was an atrocity, right?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
15. Yes I agree. But do you realy think the Pope needs to be reminded of it?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:12 PM
Dec 2013

be honest. Do you really think he doesn't know the history of its own people/faith?

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
20. well, this is a political statement. Bibi, for all his faults, does not have to kiss the Papal ring
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:38 PM
Dec 2013

Right? So, Bibi becomes a "nudge". OK so big deal. We don't have to love it, but what would YOU do if you were Bibi?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. In return the Pope should have given Benny a book by Günter Grass
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:32 PM
Dec 2013

Netanyahu of ALL people doesn't have a square inch of moral high ground to stand on...

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