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marmar

(77,066 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:08 PM Dec 2013

Fellow GenXers, ever feel invisible? .......


....... There are lots of threads and articles about boomers and millenials, but we can scarcely get a mention.

Ok, that's my mini-rant. Now I think I'll slip into my flannel shirt and hit the coffee house.


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Fellow GenXers, ever feel invisible? ....... (Original Post) marmar Dec 2013 OP
Yeah I didn't bother to get into that thread gollygee Dec 2013 #1
No, I don't care quinnox Dec 2013 #2
It's ok to feel invisible. It means they're blaming each other, and not us. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #3
It's the middle child syndrome for GenXers brush Dec 2013 #56
LOL!! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #4
I was thinking of posting the exact same thing in that particular thread. phleshdef Dec 2013 #5
Well, yes, but what can I say nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #6
I'm wearing flannel, sipping coffee, & listening to Pearl Jam NightWatcher Dec 2013 #7
Im having a beer. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #8
I'm having a glass of Pinot JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #26
heh I was looking for some relevant media criticism to start a thread. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #9
Yes! I want to shout "I WILL NOT BE IGNORED!" Happyhippychick Dec 2013 #10
Boil a bunny. That'll get our attention! 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #97
can't see the OP??? is there something here? Demonaut Dec 2013 #11
Yep! JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #12
LOL (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #13
You think you're ignored -- What about us Generation Jonesers? htuttle Dec 2013 #14
That just shows how dumb it is to label a 20-year cohort, but give it hard dates at the outside cemaphonic Dec 2013 #17
I think that the concept of cultural cohorts can be moderately useful htuttle Dec 2013 #76
Same here. Although my parents aren't even boomers. They were little kids during WWII FSogol Dec 2013 #33
I believe we've been folded into Gen-X. As you say, we're the kids of Boomers so can't be Boomers Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #71
You're right about living through somebody else's hangover htuttle Dec 2013 #77
Our whole life, "Oh look at them doing what we'll never get to do. Looks like fun". n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #98
The very term 'gen x' insinuates anonymity. Wait Wut Dec 2013 #15
I related best JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #29
Better to fly under the radar anyway abelenkpe Dec 2013 #16
Absolutely tcfrogs Dec 2013 #18
I like being invisible - TBF Dec 2013 #19
Yeah- we knew Nirvana before they were big. myrna minx Dec 2013 #20
you want I should kick some GenX ass, marmar? Skittles Dec 2013 #21
LOL. marmar Dec 2013 #23
I get so darned confused. I don't know what the heck I am. OneGrassRoot Dec 2013 #22
It's alright, OneGrassRoot. I can be as wise as Yoda...... marmar Dec 2013 #24
word OneGrassRoot Dec 2013 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #28
Welcome, yogini 1221! OneGrassRoot Dec 2013 #39
We're on the cusp BainsBane Dec 2013 #36
No wonder I stay lost... OneGrassRoot Dec 2013 #38
I think if yr parents were baby boomers, you'd be Gen X... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #91
Yeah, my parents are boomers BainsBane Dec 2013 #92
LOL. I know that feeling! Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #94
+1 Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #48
We're Cuban Missle Crisis babies htuttle Dec 2013 #78
And also "I Have a Dream" babies. OneGrassRoot Dec 2013 #80
Isn't there a gap between GenX and millenials? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #27
You're generation Y. Warpy Dec 2013 #31
Just looked it up. I'm both! Im twice as ignored. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #34
Gen Y. TDale313 Dec 2013 #35
No. Gen Y ARE the Millennials. Xithras Dec 2013 #58
That's because a lot of Xers were suckers for Reaganism Warpy Dec 2013 #30
True loyalsister Dec 2013 #40
I was surprised to discover abelenkpe Dec 2013 #53
I have a Rand Paul lover in my family loyalsister Dec 2013 #81
It is changing, although not as quickly as you or I would like. Warpy Dec 2013 #54
We were kids when Reagan was president n/t kcr Dec 2013 #41
That's why so many were suckers for his fairy tale economic ideas Warpy Dec 2013 #51
Bull. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #64
"Plus, We listened to ted nugent and the Amboy Dukes... while you had that Michael Stipe crap!" Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #65
LOL kcr Dec 2013 #74
Baloney. Gen X starts, by most reads, in 1964. That means at best only the VERY oldest Gen X'ers Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #62
RTFP Warpy Dec 2013 #66
RCMP Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #67
I'm one of the dreaded baby boomers, Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #82
I would totally agree with all of that. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #83
I understand. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #84
I don't know. I was pretty politically engaged in my 20s, and I still am, now. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #86
I think maybe all of us get caught up in raising our families Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #88
Nah, I mean, so much of where I come from, how I see things, is rooted in Boomer stuff Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #90
Historically lower numbers of GenXer's were born in this Country than say Boomers or Mills... Tikki Dec 2013 #32
I gave up being tired hearing baby boomers talk about themselves d_r Dec 2013 #37
We GenXers do get ignored...that stupid 60 Minutes story about how "millenials" are too anneboleyn Dec 2013 #42
yeah we were always d_r Dec 2013 #44
I read an article a while ago that said GenX has similarities to the Silent Generation. tammywammy Dec 2013 #75
I am timeless MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #43
Sometimes I feel like a number Boom Sound 416 Dec 2013 #45
No news is good news. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2013 #46
Up until this moment I did not know I was a generation x member. Born in 1978. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #47
we actually are a pretty small group arely staircase Dec 2013 #49
X and Y are unknowns. Language is important. Choose a memorable name. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #50
"Baby Boomer" sounds like it describes a fart smothered in a diaper. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #59
Fine, you don't like it. But you remember it. No offense. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #85
See, man, that's what you Boomers and Millenials don't understand about Gen X. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #87
Yes. But I was a wild child at partying, so I like it. nt slor Dec 2013 #52
I am quintessential Gex X MadrasT Dec 2013 #55
Seems to me very few Millenials or Boomers quite grasp the importance of R.E.M.'s album Murmur Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #57
+1000 JCMach1 Dec 2013 #79
Born in '72 gen-X'er, checkin in mike dub Dec 2013 #60
I get lost Paulie Dec 2013 #61
Sorry to inform you but the Boomers were into flannel shirts flamingdem Dec 2013 #63
Go really old school when you get to coffee house mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #68
You know no one gives a damn about you when you don't even merit blame. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #69
hey, better to fly under the radar and avoid the bullshit... while listening dionysus Dec 2013 #70
I know. We're assholes too. We deserve some blame for Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2013 #72
Did you guys know that... jkirch Dec 2013 #73
I'm worse at what I do best / And for this gift I feel blessed / Our little group has always been... devils chaplain Dec 2013 #89
That's what the X means, yeah? Recursion Dec 2013 #93
Bumping...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #95
Bumping again cause ya'll at work gotta pay for the Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #96
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
3. It's ok to feel invisible. It means they're blaming each other, and not us.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:09 PM
Dec 2013

We fixed everything the Boomers broke, but then the Millenials came in and messed everything up again. I'm aggrieved.

See how that works? Neat and tidy.

brush

(53,761 posts)
56. It's the middle child syndrome for GenXers
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:53 PM
Dec 2013

Being between the Boomers and the Millenials they don't get much attention but they become very independent because of it.

I know. I'm one.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
5. I was thinking of posting the exact same thing in that particular thread.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:11 PM
Dec 2013

I'm pretty sure I know the one you are talking about.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
14. You think you're ignored -- What about us Generation Jonesers?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:26 PM
Dec 2013

We're not Boomers! My mom is a boomer! I have nothing in common with boomers! I listened to the Sex Pistols druing my senior year in high school!

sigh...well, at least we have the White House...

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
17. That just shows how dumb it is to label a 20-year cohort, but give it hard dates at the outside
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:49 PM
Dec 2013

I'm Gen-x, but being born in the mid-70s to Boomer parents, I find I have as much in common with the millennials as x-ers. My brother was born in 80, so he's technically Gen-X too, and that just doesn't fit him at all.

10-year cohorts might work a little better, but the whole categorization scheme really just smacks of astrology with a sociological face.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
76. I think that the concept of cultural cohorts can be moderately useful
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:09 PM
Dec 2013

...especially to things like political science and marketing, but they don't have anything to do with calendar years. Cultural cohorts are partially defined by popular culture, major events, the economy and so on, during the years of a person's coming of age. It seems to be happening younger nowadays with so much entertainment media available, too.

FSogol

(45,470 posts)
33. Same here. Although my parents aren't even boomers. They were little kids during WWII
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:13 PM
Dec 2013

and couldn't possibly be part of a post war baby boom.

At least we punks had the best music.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
71. I believe we've been folded into Gen-X. As you say, we're the kids of Boomers so can't be Boomers
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:48 PM
Dec 2013

ourselves, but we were the big kids when the Xers were riding around the neighborhood on their Big Wheels. Too young to party with the hippies, our whole lives have been lived in the day-after-the-best-party-ever.

And I'm pretty sure that "we" hold the White House in much the same way that the chauffeur holds the Rolls Royce Limousine he drives.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
77. You're right about living through somebody else's hangover
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:22 PM
Dec 2013

In high school, nuclear plants got dangerous, the economy got worse, and drugs were bad now, mkay? Then right when I get into college, we learned that free love can kill you...

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
15. The very term 'gen x' insinuates anonymity.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:33 PM
Dec 2013

What did you expect? We've been labeled to be ignored. I hate being called a 'gen xer'. My brother and sister are boomers.

I don't own a flannel shirt, coffee makes me vomit. I actually relate better to millenials.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
29. I related best
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:12 PM
Dec 2013

To my great grandparents! I should have been born in 1904 so my Gramfeathers and I could drink orange blossom specials and get crazy listening to ragtime jazz.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
22. I get so darned confused. I don't know what the heck I am.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:57 PM
Dec 2013

Born in '63. I see conflicting info about me being a Boomer vs. a GenXer.

But, marmar -- no offense, because it means you come across as a wise, older soul -- but I TOTALLY pegged you as being much older.





marmar

(77,066 posts)
24. It's alright, OneGrassRoot. I can be as wise as Yoda......
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

....... or as braindead as Beavis and Butthead. Depends on the day of the week.


Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #22)

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
36. We're on the cusp
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:44 PM
Dec 2013

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between Boomer and Gen-X. We're sort of in a generational no man's land.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
91. I think if yr parents were baby boomers, you'd be Gen X...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:20 AM
Dec 2013

Coz it wouldn't work if you had two generations included in the same generational thing...

I'm definitely Gen X coz I liked REM before anyone I knew had even heard of them, and loved Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Plus I always thought hippies were lame and pointless

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
92. Yeah, my parents are boomers
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:27 AM
Dec 2013

They were hippies too. So that makes me GenX. Anything to feel younger at this point.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
94. LOL. I know that feeling!
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:49 AM
Dec 2013

btw, a fair few cultural icons who are associated with Gen X (eg Pearl Jam) were born in the first few years of the 60's...

And no thread mentioning Gen X can go without a clip of 'Black'. Okay, it could except I'll use any excuse to post Pearl Jam clips

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
27. Isn't there a gap between GenX and millenials?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:12 PM
Dec 2013

I think there is. We didn't get a name. Were more invisible. We win. So can we get talked about finally?

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
58. No. Gen Y ARE the Millennials.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:55 PM
Dec 2013

Gen Y was the first label applied to them, because they were the "next generation after X". The label later changed to "Millennials", and Gen Y isn't really used anymore.

Generally speaking, anyone born before 1982 is an Xer. Anyone born between 1982 and the early 2000's is a Millennial. Generationally, millennials tend to be the children of the Xers. Culturally, the dividing line tends to be the Internet...even the oldest Millennials were web users before high school. They are the first "digital native" generation where a substantial number grew up with computers in their households.

Warpy

(111,230 posts)
30. That's because a lot of Xers were suckers for Reaganism
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:13 PM
Dec 2013

along with the younger cohort of Boomers. You're likely under represented here. That will change as more Xers wake up to the fact that they've been had. They will, too.

Older Boomers have often felt lie a bug on a plate, conspicuous as hell. I know I'd prefer a little anonymity now and then.

Xers who are aware of what has been done to them are certainly welcome on lefto forums like this one. As their numbers increase, they'll get more mention. Whether they enjoy it is moot.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
40. True
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:20 PM
Dec 2013

Some of the very worst high profile politicians are in that category. Chris Christie (Gen Jones). Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio are all Gen Xers.

I know many other Gen Xers who fit that mold. My class reunion was extremely depressing.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
53. I was surprised to discover
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:52 PM
Dec 2013

that most of my high school friends were so conservative. O well, I never fit in there anyway....
Those that aren't conservative are worse: Libertarian. And by that I mean Rand Paul loving libertarians, not social libertarians.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
81. I have a Rand Paul lover in my family
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:50 PM
Dec 2013

It's all based on selfishness. Taxes are immoral. And, she's rather die than buy health insurance.

Warpy

(111,230 posts)
54. It is changing, although not as quickly as you or I would like.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:52 PM
Dec 2013

Xer women have largely realized the GOP is full of shit. They're just waiting for their husbands to catch up with them.

Don't beat yourself up about all the Gen X jackasses in politics. After all, we older Boomers were cursed with Clinton and Stupid, the former gutting a lot of financial protections we had and the later being, well, Stupid.

Warpy

(111,230 posts)
51. That's why so many were suckers for his fairy tale economic ideas
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:49 PM
Dec 2013

that have kept them poor all their working lives.

And that is why so many are starting to wake up now.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
64. Bull.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:36 PM
Dec 2013

We've been hearing since the beginning of time how Boomers are supposed to be inherently more progressive than Gen X.

It is not true.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
74. LOL
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:59 PM
Dec 2013

Seriously? What a giant load of nonsensical malarky. I was 8 years old when he was elected president! We were watching cartoons.

We're invisible because we're the baby bust generation. There are far fewer of us. It's that simple.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
62. Baloney. Gen X starts, by most reads, in 1964. That means at best only the VERY oldest Gen X'ers
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:33 PM
Dec 2013

The oldest 2 years, would have been able to vote in Reagan's 2nd election.

Trying to lay the blame for Reagan at the feet of Gen X, is ridiculous. It was Boomers and Greatest Generation voters who put him in the White House. Twice.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
82. I'm one of the dreaded baby boomers,
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:31 PM
Dec 2013

a very early one (September 1946) and it makes absolutely no sense to me that people born in 1964 are still considered "my generation." We '40s babies really have nothing culturally in common with people born in the '60s.

Besides, I think labeling generations with arbitrary cut-off points does nothing except foster "us-them" divisions and fights, as several threads today have amply demonstrated.



AND I love your music.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
83. I would totally agree with all of that.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:43 PM
Dec 2013

However, I've spent the better part of my life hearing about how much more liberal and progressive and all around better boomers were, than the people of my age group.

It's bunk, and it's belied by statistical analyses of several decades of election results.

That said, most of my ipod is full of music made by boomers, so I can't begrudge you folks TOO much.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
84. I understand.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:06 AM
Dec 2013

For what it's worth, I don't think we're any better than you at all. We older boomers were just fortunate - or more accurately unfortunate - to have come of age during a very tumultuous time with the assassinations, urban riots, the war/draft, (more positively) the music, etc. The stark difference between the America of 1960 and the America of 1970 was probably not matched until 2000-2010, because, as we all know, "9-11 changed everything."

One thing I've observed in my own family, though, is that my youngest daughter, who is Millennial (born in 1985), seems a lot more politically concerned than my two gen-x girls, who are 41 and 36. They're Democrats, they vote and all, but they just don't seem to care as much about political issues as the younger one, and they kind of roll their eyes at me when I get all wound out about something, like, "oh, mom, calm down." Does this represent a general attitude among your generation or is it just that my two older girls are busy raising their kids and can't be bothered?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
86. I don't know. I was pretty politically engaged in my 20s, and I still am, now.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:22 AM
Dec 2013

It is sort of funny, that for instance the 80s were reduced in cultural shorthand to things like Hair metal, vespa scooters, Michael Jackson, parachute pants and John Hughes movies. When I was in college we were very active in groups like CISPES. The Rainforest action network. There was a tremendous amount of pushback against the Reagan administration, along with things like the budding of real awareness and tolerance for LGBT issues, which I don't believe really came into their own until well after the 60s.

And Nancy Reagan said "just say no", so none of us were doing drugs, or having sex, either.

I don't know, I think for sure I'm more cynical, in some ways, than I used to be, but in other ways more idealistic. I think it's easier in some ways to be strident when one is in their 20s. For sure when one gets to the age of marriage and parenting, the day-to-day takes up a lot of energy, which may be what you're sensing. Plus, AS a parent, I can't let myself have the sort of "everything is fucked" nihilistic attitudes I maybe once had. Maybe everything really IS fucked, but for the sake of my kids, I simply can't believe that. I won't.

For me, at least, age wore down some of the rougher edges. Or, maybe I got more lazy, who knows.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
88. I think maybe all of us get caught up in raising our families
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:41 AM
Dec 2013

when we're in our 40s which is why some of the younger people think the boomer generation "dropped the ball" during the Reagan years. I know I was very politically engaged in my 20s, then when my daughters were born in the '70s and '80s, I was busy working, raising them, doing family stuff, keeping a roof over everyone's head and didn't really have the time to do more than be aware of what was going on politically and vote whenever elections came up. Maybe that's a cop-out, but at that time my immediate family was top priority. Now that the kids are grown, I'm back to my old 25-year-old rabble-rousing self. I'm retired, I have the time for it.

Maybe we weren't as politically diligent as we should have been in the '80s, but we were busy raising you youngsters. I appreciate when younger people, like you, aren't so strident in your disdain for my generation. Inter-generational disrespect doesn't help anyone. We're all in this together.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
90. Nah, I mean, so much of where I come from, how I see things, is rooted in Boomer stuff
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:59 AM
Dec 2013

even if I came of age later.

Some of that may come from being on the younger end of an older family. Certainly the cultural and political stuff from the Vietnam war was still reverberating loud throughout my childhood.

Plus I mean, I'm a Deadhead, duh.. and, for me it was never a question of doubting the cultural primacy of assorted Boomer touchstones, like the guitar work of Jimi Hendrix or the lyrics of Bob Dylan.

Whereas I think a lot of Millennials are like, "Bob who?"

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
32. Historically lower numbers of GenXer's were born in this Country than say Boomers or Mills...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:13 PM
Dec 2013

I remember reading an article saying that most born between 1967~ and 1985 or so would probably
have little problem finding work.
'Course this was written before boosh/chainme got control.

I will tell you in all the decades the Mr. and I have been going to live shows and concerts
'1964~one coming up this month'…

..The funnest to be around and yet actually very respectful concert~goers we have encountered are the GenXer's.


The Tikkis

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
42. We GenXers do get ignored...that stupid 60 Minutes story about how "millenials" are too
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:26 PM
Dec 2013

"spoiled" to find jobs kept pitting boomers against millenials while ignoring the generation (Gen X) in between entirely. It was kind of weird but would have complicated their "argument."

d_r

(6,907 posts)
44. yeah we were always
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:29 PM
Dec 2013

a forgotten generation. I think part of it is that baby boomers are so self obsessed we had to live through their nostalgia, and the millenials now are self obsessed also.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
45. Sometimes I feel like a number
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:30 PM
Dec 2013

But I'm not a number

--

Now I'm going to put on my ripped jeans got get some CDs

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
87. See, man, that's what you Boomers and Millenials don't understand about Gen X.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:27 AM
Dec 2013

We don't WANT anyone to know we're here.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
57. Seems to me very few Millenials or Boomers quite grasp the importance of R.E.M.'s album Murmur
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:54 PM
Dec 2013

Really, it is their loss.

JCMach1

(27,555 posts)
79. +1000
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:29 PM
Dec 2013

Gen X... 1967

Saw REM for free when all they had out was Radio Free Europe and Stipe still had bad acne...

mike dub

(541 posts)
60. Born in '72 gen-X'er, checkin in
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:12 PM
Dec 2013

Couldn't care less about visibility. My wife and I would rather relax on our rural property with our three hounds than do much social stuff. Chose to be child-free, too-- unconventional.

Happy to have boomers, gen y, and millennials get the attention.

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
63. Sorry to inform you but the Boomers were into flannel shirts
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:36 PM
Dec 2013

How do I know? I had a couple, and a pea jacket!

I was a late boomer and even that feels invisible as in I was too young for Woodstock.

devils chaplain

(602 posts)
89. I'm worse at what I do best / And for this gift I feel blessed / Our little group has always been...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:06 AM
Dec 2013

... And always will until the end.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
93. That's what the X means, yeah?
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:31 AM
Dec 2013

We represent the nadir of US fertility, and were driven around without "baby on board" signs.

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