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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:44 PM Dec 2013

10 THINGS YOU CAN'T DO WHILE FOLLOWING JESUS

http://www.thegodarticle.com/7/post/2013/06/10-things-you-cant-do-while-following-jesus.html

9) Exclude people for what they look like, how they were born or things beyond their control.
I may have mentioned this already but Jesus was constantly including people. Jesus had this rebel streak in him that actually sought out folks who didn't “fit in.” People who were different, people who were marginalized, people who were made to feel unwanted in one way or another held a special place in the heart, life and actions of Jesus. I suspect he did it because he understood they weren't actually different at all. Touch the lepers (the “untouchables”). Do it.


8) Withhold healthcare from people.
Did you ever play the game “Follow the Leader"? If you don't do what the leader does, you are out. Following means you should imitate as closely as possible. When people who were sick needed care, Jesus gave it to them. If we are following Jesus, we will imitate him as closely as possible. No, we can't repeat the miracles he did but I've seen modern medicine do things that are about as close to a miracle as I expect to get.

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6) Let people go hungry.
When Jesus said, “feed my sheep,” it was about more than just a spiritual feeding. As a matter of fact, if Gandhi was right (and I suspect he was), you can't have one without the other: “There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread.” There is not a food shortage in the world -- there is enough for everyone. There is not a problem with having a distribution system capable of handling it; I can eat lobster from Maine while looking over the Pacific ocean. The problem is that we aren't very good at sharing.

5) Make money more important than God (and the children of God).
The love of money really is the root of all sorts of evil. We make choices about what we will do with our money every day. Our choices speak louder than our words. Willingly or not, our choices frequently hurt the least of these and others rather than help them. Sometimes, we even hurt ourselves. Our money is so important to us, we are willing to shop at stores because their prices are cheaper even though we know the products they sell recklessly endanger the lives of those who make them. We buy food which is mass produced with disregard for their health implications because the farmer down the road is more expensive. We'd rather keep more of our money than pay the taxes it takes to provide for those in need. We have a money problem.
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10 THINGS YOU CAN'T DO WHILE FOLLOWING JESUS (Original Post) Scuba Dec 2013 OP
There's Republican Jesus and Jesus Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #1
Republican Jesus WowSeriously Dec 2013 #13
The Jesus of Love and peace that wants us to care for one another. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #15
Their Jesus Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #17
I wonder if they actually read the NT. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #18
Scuba... Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #2
well, you could.... lapfog_1 Dec 2013 #6
"WELCOME TO RAPTURE" Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #7
amen uponit7771 Dec 2013 #3
This really should have nothing to do with Jesus. We should be honest, caring, loving, people rhett o rick Dec 2013 #4
Yeah, I get it. Note my avatar. Scuba Dec 2013 #5
My above response wasnt intended to be a dig at your OP. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #14
The Flying Spaghetti Monster Scuba Dec 2013 #19
"Make money more important than God"???? longship Dec 2013 #8
Be a capitalist. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #9
wish I could recommend 1000 times KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #10
Better posted in "Religion" intaglio Dec 2013 #11
I would agree that this is better in religion el_bryanto Dec 2013 #24
Everything I said can be supported intaglio Dec 2013 #28
I did pick up that you don't believe the Bible el_bryanto Dec 2013 #29
Thanks for posting this! JDPriestly Dec 2013 #12
Great post! hrmjustin Dec 2013 #16
du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #20
turn right on red? Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #21
The right wing Christians probably have their own version of this list. trotsky Dec 2013 #22
Love your last comment. Scuba Dec 2013 #23
More proof there is no God. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #27
Oh, I thought this list was going to be somehting like- snooper2 Dec 2013 #25
Nifty post SusieQ01 Dec 2013 #26
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. This really should have nothing to do with Jesus. We should be honest, caring, loving, people
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:58 PM
Dec 2013

whether or not we follow Jesus. But I get your point.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. My above response wasnt intended to be a dig at your OP.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:12 AM
Dec 2013

I had a hard time putting my thoughts in words. We should all follow a path similar to Jesus whether or not we believe. I guess those that profess to follow and dont, add hypocrisy to their sins.

And I am sorry but I am not familiar with your avatar, will you explain?

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. "Make money more important than God"????
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:19 PM
Dec 2013

I would rephrase that, "Make money more important than people" (or life, maybe).

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
11. Better posted in "Religion"
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:44 PM
Dec 2013

Many who post there know how objectionable it is to cherry pick from the Bible - because you can find chapter and verse in the Bible to promote nearly anything.

Ok, let's run through the list.

(10) through (7); essentially the same point repeated 4 times and arguable in that the salvation he promised was probably for the Jews alone.

6) "Feed my sheep" was probably only about spiritual tending, appears in John alone and in a heavily edited section meant to establish Peter as the leader of the Church. Alternative translations have it as "Tend my sheep," and "Shepherd my sheep,"

5) The importance of money. Well, sort of ... except the parts where he preaches that are the apocalyptic sections and how money won't be needed for long. And that whole "render unto Caesar" thing? was literally true, there was a special coinage used at the temple for offerings - hence the money changers. BTW he did not object to money changers outside the Temple

4) Judge others. Essentially the same as (10) through (7) except the whole point is that somehow God is allowed to judge and if you pass on making judgment then there are huge numbers of criminals, psychopaths, preachers and politicians who will get a free pass to do what they like. What is more many of those will justify what they do by - quoting the Bible.

3) Be physically aggressive or violent. Excuse me but this the same Jesus who had his disciples buy swords and who declared he came not to bring peace but a sword and who promised to set family members against one another.

2) Use the church to hurt people. I've read the Bible several times but I never saw anything about that, indeed there is the whole thing in Matthew 10: 34 - 35 again.

1) Hate. See (3) through (2)

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
24. I would agree that this is better in religion
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:29 PM
Dec 2013

But disagree with the rest of your interpretation.

Bryant

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
28. Everything I said can be supported
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:43 PM
Dec 2013

The whole point is that the Bible is a mishmash of pre-existing tales, primitive legend, outright forgery, borrowings from Pagan teaching and non-Jewish philosophy.

Do you truly believe that the preachers of the Prosperity Gospel do not quote from the same Bible as egalitarians? Or that anti-Semites do not quote the Gospel of John to support the claim that Jews murdered the Christ? Advocates of slavery used this same Bible to back up their practises and could show that Jesus claimed to wholly follow the Jewish Law which allowed and excused slavery. I've seen second amendment purists claim that Luke 22:36 supports the right to bear arms. Do you imagine that Calvinists cannot support their claim that only a predestined Elect will be saved by quoting from the Bible?

To justify the claim that Jesus was a Liberal you have to discount or discard huge portions of the text which shows he was no such thing. Do that and you are casting doubt on the legitimacy of the texts that you do choose to believe.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
29. I did pick up that you don't believe the Bible
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

But of course some people do. Like myself. Further evidence that this really belongs properly in the religion section.

Bryant

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
22. The right wing Christians probably have their own version of this list.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:07 PM
Dec 2013

Their 10 items you can't do while following Jesus likely include:

Support abortion rights
Condone homosexuality
Use government instead of individual donations and church charities to help people
Etc.

Regarding those first two, there's no record of Jesus having anything to say about either of them so anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's. For the third, there are quotes attributed to Jesus that can be used to support that position ("render unto Caesar&quot .

Anyway, I think we have about 2000 years of history showing us the effectiveness of screaming "No, you're wrong! Jesus said THIS!" at each other. Feel free to keep trying I guess.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
23. Love your last comment.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:28 PM
Dec 2013

As and atheist, I seldom cite Jesus as a reference, but my Episcopalian minister sister sent me the link so I made this OP.

My usual response to Christian hypocrites is "so how's that Praying for Peace working out for ya?"

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
27. More proof there is no God.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:54 PM
Dec 2013

People call themselves right-wing or conservative AND Christian, yet they don't burst into flames and their heads remain intact.

But oh how I do wish for a "rapture" event...

RA-MEN!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. Oh, I thought this list was going to be somehting like-
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:34 PM
Dec 2013

1. Don't make "Smack That Ass" hand motions-






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