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ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:31 PM Dec 2013

Has any modern movement been more dependent on fabrication than the American Right?

We've all had this experience, especially in the past 20-30 years. It happened again at my work today with this one:

"Obamacare requires that doctors ask how many guns you have in your house if there are children."

The resident conservatives shook their heads in agreement and marveled that there was anyone who did not see that we were sliding into a socialist dictatorship. They were dead certain that this story was true. These are not stupid people. They are educated, competent, literate, resourceful and completely brainwashed.

it took only a couple of minutes to find multiple sources debunking of this absurd claim. It is beyond inaccurate, it is a deliberate lie. But it doesn't matter. They have convinced themselves that the debunking sites are all part of the liberal conspiracy. Claimed "Proof": they mostly debunk right wing stories. It wouldn't even matter if you skipped the debunking web sites and showed them primary sources, raw data, text of the law or whatever. Nothing on the internet can be trusted, unless it confirms their point of view. Nothing.

Conservatism has sunk so low, that it no longer has to distort data, use questionable methodologies and misleading statistics. It can now just flat make shit up and get away with it - at least as far as their base is concerned. It is an astonishingly bankrupt, dishonest and delusional political method.

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Has any modern movement been more dependent on fabrication than the American Right? (Original Post) ThoughtCriminal Dec 2013 OP
They lie all the time. Blatant. NCarolinawoman Dec 2013 #1
The dinosaurs were clueless too. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #2
American "Centrists" are just about as full of shit but are clearly less batshit delusional. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #3
It's those crazy emails jberryhill Dec 2013 #4
How come I never get those emails? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #7
I don't anymore jberryhill Dec 2013 #8
Fabrication is the foundation for RW politics; Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #5
They've even got their own polls now Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #6
Well, televangelism comes to mind... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #9
Fabrication is all they have left. defacto7 Dec 2013 #10
and you are not exaggerating G_j Dec 2013 #11
your typical right wing idiot... lapfog_1 Dec 2013 #12
Libertarianism maybe Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #13
I've made the same point about debunking sites JHB Dec 2013 #14
Never underestimate the level of delusion out there quaker bill Dec 2013 #15

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. The dinosaurs were clueless too.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:48 PM
Dec 2013

They're extinct now.

The problem this time is that the clueless class, or rather their overlords, have the power to take the rest of us down with them.

I don't hold great hopes for the species some days, and on those days I'm glad that I'm old and got to live part of my life in a somewhat more rational and humane era, in which we were actually making some advances against the forces of darkness.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. I don't anymore
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:46 AM
Dec 2013

I guess anyone I know who is inclined to forward them has long since gotten the message.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
5. Fabrication is the foundation for RW politics;
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 01:44 AM
Dec 2013

without it, they lose big, as their policies suck and are detrimental the vast majority of the population.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
6. They've even got their own polls now
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 01:50 AM
Dec 2013

Remember the 2012 election? They "unskewed" the polls and were convinced Romney would bury Obama.

They live in a bubble.

Wounded Bear

(58,626 posts)
9. Well, televangelism comes to mind...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:10 AM
Dec 2013

The two institutions/groups sort of cooperate a lot. Religions have been doing it for thousands of years.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
10. Fabrication is all they have left.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:19 AM
Dec 2013

Whatever civility and honesty that may have exited at one time long ago has been completely replaced by the Right Wing Foundry of misinformation and fabrication. They conjure any product that will produce results at any and all cost even to the destruction of America and allow the decimation of it's population through apathy. Ideology and Business are god and moral construct be damned.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
11. and you are not exaggerating
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:25 AM
Dec 2013

To be honest, it's really scary. When
people can not communicate, and do not have the desire to work for the common good of everyone, but rather pick 'you' as an enemy, a godless socialist or lazy taker.
Instead of desiring America to be one diverse group of human beings who work together for a better future, they choose to
put up a fortress, a bubble, and set themselves against their fellow citizens in some kind of expression of anger and even hatred. Fueled incessantly by RW media, it's not at all good. On this day, maybe I'll ponder what Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King Jr. would say. As naive as it may sound, I think love is perhaps the only way to pierce that bubble.




Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
13. Libertarianism maybe
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:26 AM
Dec 2013

David Brock actually details the process very well in "Blinded By The Right": The conservative machine (including their pet media) creates a completely fictional opponant and then runs against that fiction.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
14. I've made the same point about debunking sites
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:27 AM
Dec 2013

"The sites aren't 'in the tank for Obama'. It's just the market in action. Most of what they debunk is conservative because of the sheer volume of Horseshit you guys put out. And you put out so much because you fall for every horseshit claim that comes down the pike."

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
15. Never underestimate the level of delusion out there
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:29 AM
Dec 2013

it is stunning and deep. The American Right occupies this market, but by no means has it cornered.

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