Obamacare horror story, my next door neighbor lost his job a

[doc03]

couple years ago and was paying $850 a month for barely adequate health insurance plan the Union
got them. Monday he saw a navigator for Obamacare, next year he gets a silver plan for $800 and some
odd dollars a month. He declared $25000 in income and gets $600 and some dollars tax credit. So his premium
is $208, the Union is covering $200 of the premium through a VEBA plan, his final premium ($8.00). So there you have
a positive story for Obamacare and Unions. You know what is ironic he is a die hard Rethug.

[progressoid]

1. And he's in a Union.

Must be hard for him getting in bed with socialists.

[doc03]

9. There a lot of Union members that are Republicans,

good wages and benefits actually created Republicans. Those Republicans were known as the Reagan Democrats and now many are the Teabaggers.

[progressoid]

18. Yup.

I have a cousin like that. Teabagger union member.

The mind boggles.

[Heather MC]

19. Some people don't care as long as they are protected

[doc03]

21. A lot of Catholics I know use the abortion issue

as their reason to vote for Republicans. I wonder what they will do now since the Rethugs have come out calling the Pope a Marxist, socialist, Obama loving liberal and such. hmmmmm?

[Joe Bacon]

26. They'll still vote Republican.

Why?

Because they love the fetus!

[erronis]

48. But hate the mother and the already born baby

Ask them how they want to help the new child survive on reduced benefits and assistance with childcare so mom can get back to work?

[Joe Bacon]

54. Ah, their reply is...

"The churches will take care of the truly needy"...

My reply

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

[Butch McQueen]

59. People Who Think That Our Responsibility To Human Life...

Begins at conception and ends at birth.

Butch

[TroglodyteScholar]

60. Well, that awkward, non-revenue-generating period between fetus and soldier is kind of hard.... n/t

[Bigmack]

34. One issue voters... but....

Catholic women have a higher abortion rate than protestant women do. Catholic women have an abortion rate 29% higher than Protestant women.

One in five women having abortions are born-again or Evangelical Christians;

They use "artificial" birth control more, too.

Can anybody explain why they hate abortion and have lots of them?

[tblue37]

53. I think for most it is just a matter of "team" membership. They belong

to a team, one they have "always" belonged to, quite probabably the one their parents/family/community members have always belonged to. Since it is their team, they must support them, no matter how lousy they play, and they must hate the opposing team and its fans, and no matter how much the opposing team earn their wins, the losing team's fans must believe their opponents could never have won fairly, so they must have cheated.

Whatever "their" team claims to be true MUST be true, whereas the opposing team's claims MUST be not only lies, but lies pushed with the most evil intent. That is why the Repubs and their base turned against science and truths supported by science. Repub legislators started out, for example, opposed to any action toward mitigating the impact of global warming merely because such efforts might cost their owner-donors money. But then they had to pretend that global warming wasn't that serious, or wasn't happening at all (and all those scientists must just be big fat liars playing for the other team), or else even if global warming is real, it isn't caused by human agency, so there is nothing we can do about it anyway.

The fact that liberals base their arguments on facts and evidence is sufficient reason for conservatives to reject facts and evidence, since anything favored by the opposing team MUST be rejected.

Liberals are not entirely free of such in-group/out group thinking, but research has shown that rigid adherence to demonstrably false beliefs despite incontrovertible evidence is far more characteristic of conservative minds in general, so it is no surprise that the party that embodies extreme conservatism is made up largely of people who cannot rise above the "my team, right or wrong" mindset.

[Joe Bacon]

55. They believe Jesus will forgive them

I deal with a lot of these phonies. They love to wear their cross on their sleeves, and boy do they love to pile on the bullshit about their "personal relationship with Jesus". So they justify ANYTHING they do with that, and yes, I do know some bible beating women who belong to the cult of the fetus, but when they got pregnant OR their daughters got pregnant, it was off to the out of town clinic...

[SoapBox]

22. I just spent Thanksgiving week with one...

A 20 year plus UPS driver...he beats the TeaBagger drum and HATES O-bama for what he has done to America!

WTF?!?

[progressoid]

24. Ha!

That's sounds like my cousin! Long time UPS driver too. With a "Proud Union Member" bumper sticker on his pickup.

[madinmaryland]

25. Yeah. Most teaklanners votes based on the three G's. Guns, Gays, and God.

[nxylas]

40. Lemme guess, his case is different

It's those other union members who are the problem.

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. He earned it, therefore he's entitled.

No one else is.

[silvershadow]

42. I generally call them "squatters". They like to suck up good union jobs, while voting

against them. I think they secretly delight in not only squatting, but also in preventing someone they don't feel is worthy from actually holding a job they might want.

[A Simple Game]

56. Some I have known complained that the union was holding them back.

They could really soar if the union was taken out of the way.

Real smart people except they couldn't figure out how to just quit the job so their wings would sprout.

[Cha]

2. "A die hard Rethug"! Interesting that he

reported this "horror story"!

thanks doc

[annabanana]

3. What does he say when you ask:

"So how's that Obamacare working out for you?"

[Phentex]

8. LOL!

I'd ask him once a month!

[doc03]

10. He has been strangely quiet with his Rethug rhetoric the

last few months, now I know why. He let it out a few weeks ago ago, the Union had told
them that Obamacare was going to help them out with their insurance. So today I asked him what he had found out about his insurance, that is when he told me about this.

[Ilsa]

15. I'm sure you'll be kind and supportive

When discussing these sensitive topics with him. I'm glad the Democratic Party way of doing things is helping him.

It wouldn't surprise me if he slipped, though, in which case you can remind him of which party really helps the middle class and poor.

[Dan]

30. did you ask him

what he might do if the GOP gets back in power and discontinues the ACA?

[Berlum]

4. the ReThugs are hanging onto their lies about ACA - even in the face of all the good news

It has never had anything to do with finances or reality, and everything to do with ReThug hate & fear and their ongoing efforts to trash America.

[pretzel4gore]

7. vast sums invested in making folks stupid

i recall that 6 years after nixon impeached, reagan was selected...less then 1/2 electorate voted (which the rightwing had been counting on) in the 1980 election, but still! Even liberal type friends told me they really liked reagan- about time someone stood up for regular people etc! Even guys like Neil Young sorta led the way for the Ted Nugents, and guys like Al Dershowitz made the chris mathews type explicable, but still...
the modern day rightwinger truly has bought snake oil, and snake oil thus cost more then most can afford.

[catbyte]

5. I'm surprised he didn't refuse to participate in that Commie plot!

[davidpdx]

41. Tell the Republicans that they get a free lobotomy when they sign up

[mstinamotorcity2]

6. Listen everybody these silly ass RIPs

are going to do like they did with the Stimulus. They are going to rant and rave against it and eventually they are going to want a piece of the action. They will not be able to stand that so called Liberals are getting all the breaks in Health care. Republicans are the fakest SOB's that ever been born. Don't you see them. Anytime they can get a photo op with the President they run to be next to him. They will call him every name in the book and then run to take pictures with him as soon the microphone closes. They say they hate him, but every time you turn around one of them rotten fucks writes a book to get rich off his name. They so cold they write about his mother to get rich. They rant against Government but are in Government enjoying the perks and tell the American people they can't have anything. And stupid repugs vote them right back in. Why would you put a person in Government who hates Government, dumbest shit I ever seen. They don't want to pay for a disaster like Hurricane Sandy or Joplin Missouri. but if something happens to their little red spot, they want immediate action. If they must choose between Snap benefits for low-income families or their Farm subsides, well Oh McDonald had a farm e I e I o

[AAO]

12. You are wiser than your age would indicare! Awesome!!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

32. you are so right!!!

Well said!!

They're fake, selfish, stupid, cruel, greedy, angry, scared of change, narrow minded scumbags.

[mstinamotorcity2]

45. The RIPs have no other choice.

They must utilize the Hatch/Kennedy Affordable Care Act. They are the 47%. This is how Ridiculously Ignorant they truly are. You see they don't believe in facts. And I for one will not entertain their Ignorance. I give it to them hard and fast and keep it moving. I look silly debating fact-less rhetoric. We may as well face it, Rethugs are going to be dragged in the 21st century kicking and screaming. I personally am going to miss them, comedy will never be the same

[BlancheSplanchnik]

49. lol!

They are comedy gold, and that's a fact!!!

I've had some debate with a repuke from time to time but when they believe water's not wet, I get overwhelmed and don't know what to say.

Thinking back on a more recent example, I see that the Switch Rant is one of the tactics that gets me stuck. You can't address anything effectively when they jump from topic to topic.

I'm better when it's about women's health and opportunities or idiotic christofascist spewage about why it's ok for them to jihad on the rest of us, because I've got a broader understanding of those issues.

I don't watch smellovision either so I don't have the latest bullshit fresh in my mind--which is better for my health! lol!

[liberalmuse]

11. Republicans are secretly signing up for Obamacare in droves.

Yes, the news of just how good Obamacare is for most Americans has reached even certain dark cavities where Republicans usually keep their heads.

[AAO]

13. See smiley below...

[bluestate10]

17. Some times the sun does make it's way in to dark cavities. nt

[gtar100]

51. Because they heard it will save them money. That's my best guess why.

It is typically the one thing that will cause them to come out for air, other than a personal tragedy.

[Liberal_in_LA]

14. yay

Great story

[Motown_Johnny]

16. You should tell him you heard the (R)s are finally going to succeed in repealing it.

Just to freak him out.

[LuvLoogie]

27. Awesome!

What a great idea!!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

23. no surprise Ohio population is dwindling. state is full of union folks who vote Republican

because of things like abortion, gay marriage, etc. States like Ohio curdle my blood.

[Ian_rd]

28. Buddy of mine just lost his job

.... Because he dislocated his shoulder and will be recovering from surgery for months. So he is stuck unable to do manual labor for a while and therefore prob can't get another job soon. He just signed up for coverage with the ACA. Just mentioned it to me as a passing comment. He ain't exactly *cough* liberal.

I nodded, but inside I smiled big.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. this is how the world view of ACA will change, one story like this at a time nt

[flamingdem]

31. That's great!

Love these stories.

[JimDandy]

33. Deliberately misleading OP titles are getting tiring.

Are you really that desperate for people to read your OPs that you have to pique their interest by using such a lazy technique?

[doc03]

36. Wasn't that it was just my way of making a fun of

the Republican ACA horror stories.

[JimDandy]

37. Okay... thanks for the explanation. n/t

[doc03]

38. I overheard another story today, this couple was happy about

getting insurance from the ACA since one of them had diabetes. It was a private conversation and I didn't want to be rude and butt in so I didn't get the details of their costs but they were sure pleased with it..

[JimDandy]

58. I'm hearing some good ones too.

All of them have been stories of people qualifying for Medicaid who had no insurance before the ACA.

[TxDemChem]

35. The irony

[diane in sf]

39. Anyone making $25K a year who votes for Republicans is deluded.

[B Calm]

43. My Dad always said they are the ones who enjoy

shooting their selves in the foot for their bosses entertainment!

[davidn3600]

44. Those that do are likely doing it for things other than economic reasons

They are homophobic or against abortion or think Obama is coming to take their guns away.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. Or, they want to maintain the status quo for the wealthy ...

because they are convinced that they, too, will be wealthy ... just as soon as they win the lottery or create the next Microsoft or are just discovered for the genius that they are.

[MADem]

52. ^^^^^^^^ ***This!!!!!!*** ^^^^^^^^^^

"I just happen to be poor...right now....but I am NOT like ..... THOSE people!!!"

[ChiciB1]

50. Nothing Like The Unions In Giving Workers

a hand up. Don't know where my husband & I would be today without working for a Union. One of the very few in Florida. Yes, the health insurance they have offered over the years has been extremely helpful to us.

Don't understand what so many people CAN'T understand! I do realize they've always had a lot of back room deals since forever, but compared to Big banks, Big Pharma, Big Ins. and ALL the rest BIG thieves, who has done MORE for the common worker?

[aquart]

57. Yet he told you about this?

Now that is interesting. Is he spreading the news among fellow Republicans?