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Pres. Obama said this during the interview with Chris Matthews - explaining his view that the two parties agree on about 70% of things. (Being replayed on msnbc now.)
THIS is the problem imo. If you look at classic Democratic principles and values, the two parties agree on almost nothing - but Dem leaders believe that "we're playing between the forty yard lines here."
Maybe that's because both teams are owned by the same people - and it's not us.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)That's a serious problem.
In fact, I am downright horrified by the notion that Democrats agree with Republicans on 70% of the issues that face this nation. That's really unacceptable.
-Laelth
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)That's pretty clear.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)If we're talking about the American people, there's broad consensus on a host of issues, and the American people come down on the liberal side on most issues time after time--as they have for as long as I have been following politics.
Does that mean we get liberal policy from elected Democrats or elected Republicans? No. That's because Washington is a conservative bubble, and I can't help but think that the President was talking about the people that live in the bubble ... with him.
-Laelth
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)craziness in Washington and with the real mouth foamers that screw it all up...
polichick
(37,152 posts)that we disagree on and very few that we agree on - we can't even agree on science.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)WE look and the worse THEY look...and they now it and hate it...
polichick
(37,152 posts)CTyankee
(63,901 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Autumn
(45,042 posts)"the two parties agree on about 70% of things." disgraceful.
polichick
(37,152 posts)but it has nothing to do with stated Democratic principles because Republicans are several football fields away from those.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)That we would agree with 70% of anything the Rethugs are pushing.
Obama's statement is what's wrong with politics. People want clear choices, not two teams who play a game "between the 40s" with voters' lives and livelihoods.
polichick
(37,152 posts)But I guess this works for those who own both teams.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)A good job, family security, a place to call home and low crime. Most people will vote for the person that they feel will give them what they want and need.
polichick
(37,152 posts)other places, we don't have parties that are extremely right or left.
But, even if we are talking about the people, the two sides don't agree on basic science that will determine how we survive on the planet.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)the vast majority of humans agree on the vast majority of issues affecting their daily lives.
The wedge issues do make up approximately 30% or less of what creates most of the arguments in D.C.
Most Americans (including most Democrats) don't think in the purist utopian way that some here do.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)He was talking about Washington, not main street.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)absolutely nothing that Republicans would agree with if proposed by President Obama.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)"Oppose Barack on everything".
polichick
(37,152 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Sounds about the level of dialogue you're interested in.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)you are knocking them out of the park!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Is that you that is quoted?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)The Frank Solich dude is the site owner.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)And, Luminous Animal here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024137600#post91
Are you getting confused about which site you're on?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I call it defending our DEMOCRATIC president from baseless attacks from naive people.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)but trumad comes to mind.
Taking cheap shots at DUers isn't defending anyone or anything, it just shows that you have something in common with your new friends.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)Equal Rights for women, gays and non-white non-Christians? No way.
polichick
(37,152 posts)OutNow
(863 posts)I believe the President was making a comment about the political spectrum. If you look at issues and all the possibilities, both parties are indeed playing between the forty yard lines.
As obvious examples, both parties believe in the profit system that is the basis for the capitalist economy. The President has always stated that private enterprise is the employer of choice rather than advocate for major public works projects run by the government. The two parties only disagree with how much to tax corporate profits at both the corporate and individual rich owner level. The battle over whether to let the Bush tax cut expire a couple of years ago was positioned as a major defeat or major victory, depending on which party you support, but the reality was that it a very modest change either way in the real economy (i.e. between the forty yard lines). The current positions of both parties over raising the minimum wage is the same. Democrats support raising the minimum wage by a couple of bucks and the republicans oppose it. But the solution, even if the Democrats win, is that minimum wage workers will still earn much less than a minimum wage worker of 50 years ago. The minimum wage, if it was increased to just keep up with the increase in costs since the 1960s, would be about $23 an hour. A living wage would be higher, maybe $30 an hour. So, once again, instead of solving the real problem the two parties are playing between the forty yard lines and making it appear to be a VERY MAJOR difference.
I'm not advocating that the Red Army should overthrow the czar here. I'm just looking at our own past. There was a time when actually change was in play. A time when unions actually discussed how to gain (at least) partial ownership of the companies where they work and have a real say in wages, keeping factories open, hiring enough workers to avoid too mush overtimem etc. Germany and the Nordic countries have that. That would move past the forty yard line for sure. There was a time when people demanded a national health service like the NHS in England. The ACA is very much a between the forty yard line policy, no matter what the Republicans say. There was a time, not too long ago, when the Democratic Party platform called for a repeal of the Taft Hartley Act that prohibits any real union organizing and called for a national economic plan, i.e. a planned economy, to avoid the bust / bust cycle we continue to experience with regular frequency. Hubert Humphry was a big proponent of the national economic plan. Today both parties are visible supporters of the anarchy of the "free enterprise" system. There was a time when the anti-trust laws, the ones that are still in effect, were actually enforced to prohibit monopolies. Now we have companies that are "too big to fail" and both parties continue to support the policies that maintain the status quo. How many banksters that caused the economy to collapse in 2007/2008 are in jail today? None. That's because both parties support the status quo, somewhere between the forty yard lines.
I could provide dozens of examples, but it's clear that the President is correct - today's politics are all played between the forty yard lines.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)That reminded me of George Carlin. What he said is as true today as it was then.
"It's a big club, and you aint in it"