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polichick

(37,152 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:22 PM Dec 2013

"Most of the time we're playing between the forty yard lines here."

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Pres. Obama said this during the interview with Chris Matthews - explaining his view that the two parties agree on about 70% of things. (Being replayed on msnbc now.)

THIS is the problem imo. If you look at classic Democratic principles and values, the two parties agree on almost nothing - but Dem leaders believe that "we're playing between the forty yard lines here."

Maybe that's because both teams are owned by the same people - and it's not us.

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"Most of the time we're playing between the forty yard lines here." (Original Post) polichick Dec 2013 OP
I agree. Laelth Dec 2013 #1
I think he might mean that republican rank and file voters agree on such things as Medicare and SS. CTyankee Dec 2013 #2
Well, that's true. Laelth Dec 2013 #8
THAT is what is so crazy...most people want exactly what Dems want and do for people...it's the CTyankee Dec 2013 #9
Even in the case of the rank and file, there's a ton of issues... polichick Dec 2013 #10
I know and Obama knows but he's making a point...and the more we stress the positive the better CTyankee Dec 2013 #11
I added that we can't even agree on science - which is basic to sound policy. polichick Dec 2013 #12
I know, it's crazy... CTyankee Dec 2013 #15
Maybe so, but certainly not the GOP Senators and House members. AlinPA Dec 2013 #22
Definitely provides a window into how he's thinking! polichick Dec 2013 #5
That explains the mess we the people are in Autumn Dec 2013 #3
Certainly helps me understand where he's coming from... polichick Dec 2013 #6
Absolute joke LittleBlue Dec 2013 #4
Agreed - the people want a clear choice... polichick Dec 2013 #7
Agree. AlinPA Dec 2013 #20
Most people want the same things seveneyes Dec 2013 #13
They were talking about the two parties - the president said that, unlike... polichick Dec 2013 #14
you mean the leader of the free world isn't an extremist? GREAT! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #16
+1000 jazzimov Dec 2013 #18
If the President proposes something, there is a probablity of 1.0 that the GOP would disagee. AlinPA Dec 2013 #19
I can't believe he said that Republicans agree on 70% of things with Democrats. I can think of AlinPA Dec 2013 #17
in principle, they do agree. politically, they have laced themselves to the millstone of Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #21
The only principle they share is serving corporations. polichick Dec 2013 #23
Why don't you print a bumper sticker? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #24
Sorry you don't like the truth, but it is what it is. polichick Dec 2013 #25
ooohh!! and an empty aphorism "it is what it is" as bonus! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #27
Cool avatar. pintobean Dec 2013 #28
Uh...no. I started bothering the cc jerks recently Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #30
Looks like you're bothering polichick, too. pintobean Dec 2013 #31
You call that bothering polichick? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #35
I can't say what I'd call it pintobean Dec 2013 #37
3-3 that was allowed to stand Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #38
Thus the 70% agreement rate... n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #36
They (GOP Senators, House members) agree on SS, Medicare, Environment, Science, Food Stamps, AlinPA Dec 2013 #26
Exactly! polichick Dec 2013 #41
I agree with the President OutNow Dec 2013 #29
One party, two faces - and a country filled with fools. polichick Dec 2013 #34
"Maybe that's because both teams are owned by the same people - and it's not us." Captain Stern Dec 2013 #32
Thanks for posting that clip - so brilliant and true, sad as it is. polichick Dec 2013 #33
thanks for explaining to us why things still suck, mr prez KG Dec 2013 #39
Really does explain a lot, doesn't it? Helpful in a weird way. polichick Dec 2013 #40

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. I agree.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:46 PM
Dec 2013

That's a serious problem.

In fact, I am downright horrified by the notion that Democrats agree with Republicans on 70% of the issues that face this nation. That's really unacceptable.

-Laelth

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
2. I think he might mean that republican rank and file voters agree on such things as Medicare and SS.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM
Dec 2013

That's pretty clear.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. Well, that's true.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:03 PM
Dec 2013

If we're talking about the American people, there's broad consensus on a host of issues, and the American people come down on the liberal side on most issues time after time--as they have for as long as I have been following politics.

Does that mean we get liberal policy from elected Democrats or elected Republicans? No. That's because Washington is a conservative bubble, and I can't help but think that the President was talking about the people that live in the bubble ... with him.



-Laelth

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
9. THAT is what is so crazy...most people want exactly what Dems want and do for people...it's the
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:06 PM
Dec 2013

craziness in Washington and with the real mouth foamers that screw it all up...

polichick

(37,152 posts)
10. Even in the case of the rank and file, there's a ton of issues...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Dec 2013

that we disagree on and very few that we agree on - we can't even agree on science.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
11. I know and Obama knows but he's making a point...and the more we stress the positive the better
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:19 PM
Dec 2013

WE look and the worse THEY look...and they now it and hate it...

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
3. That explains the mess we the people are in
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM
Dec 2013

"the two parties agree on about 70% of things." disgraceful.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
6. Certainly helps me understand where he's coming from...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:58 PM
Dec 2013

but it has nothing to do with stated Democratic principles because Republicans are several football fields away from those.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. Absolute joke
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM
Dec 2013

That we would agree with 70% of anything the Rethugs are pushing.

Obama's statement is what's wrong with politics. People want clear choices, not two teams who play a game "between the 40s" with voters' lives and livelihoods.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
13. Most people want the same things
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:42 PM
Dec 2013

A good job, family security, a place to call home and low crime. Most people will vote for the person that they feel will give them what they want and need.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
14. They were talking about the two parties - the president said that, unlike...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:45 PM
Dec 2013

other places, we don't have parties that are extremely right or left.

But, even if we are talking about the people, the two sides don't agree on basic science that will determine how we survive on the planet.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
16. you mean the leader of the free world isn't an extremist? GREAT!
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:53 PM
Dec 2013

the vast majority of humans agree on the vast majority of issues affecting their daily lives.

The wedge issues do make up approximately 30% or less of what creates most of the arguments in D.C.

Most Americans (including most Democrats) don't think in the purist utopian way that some here do.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
19. If the President proposes something, there is a probablity of 1.0 that the GOP would disagee.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

He was talking about Washington, not main street.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
17. I can't believe he said that Republicans agree on 70% of things with Democrats. I can think of
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

absolutely nothing that Republicans would agree with if proposed by President Obama.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
21. in principle, they do agree. politically, they have laced themselves to the millstone of
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:02 PM
Dec 2013

"Oppose Barack on everything".

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
35. You call that bothering polichick?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:50 PM
Dec 2013

I call it defending our DEMOCRATIC president from baseless attacks from naive people.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
37. I can't say what I'd call it
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:20 AM
Dec 2013

but trumad comes to mind.

Taking cheap shots at DUers isn't defending anyone or anything, it just shows that you have something in common with your new friends.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
26. They (GOP Senators, House members) agree on SS, Medicare, Environment, Science, Food Stamps,
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:07 PM
Dec 2013

Equal Rights for women, gays and non-white non-Christians? No way.

OutNow

(863 posts)
29. I agree with the President
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:49 PM
Dec 2013

I believe the President was making a comment about the political spectrum. If you look at issues and all the possibilities, both parties are indeed playing between the forty yard lines.

As obvious examples, both parties believe in the profit system that is the basis for the capitalist economy. The President has always stated that private enterprise is the employer of choice rather than advocate for major public works projects run by the government. The two parties only disagree with how much to tax corporate profits at both the corporate and individual rich owner level. The battle over whether to let the Bush tax cut expire a couple of years ago was positioned as a major defeat or major victory, depending on which party you support, but the reality was that it a very modest change either way in the real economy (i.e. between the forty yard lines). The current positions of both parties over raising the minimum wage is the same. Democrats support raising the minimum wage by a couple of bucks and the republicans oppose it. But the solution, even if the Democrats win, is that minimum wage workers will still earn much less than a minimum wage worker of 50 years ago. The minimum wage, if it was increased to just keep up with the increase in costs since the 1960s, would be about $23 an hour. A living wage would be higher, maybe $30 an hour. So, once again, instead of solving the real problem the two parties are playing between the forty yard lines and making it appear to be a VERY MAJOR difference.

I'm not advocating that the Red Army should overthrow the czar here. I'm just looking at our own past. There was a time when actually change was in play. A time when unions actually discussed how to gain (at least) partial ownership of the companies where they work and have a real say in wages, keeping factories open, hiring enough workers to avoid too mush overtimem etc. Germany and the Nordic countries have that. That would move past the forty yard line for sure. There was a time when people demanded a national health service like the NHS in England. The ACA is very much a between the forty yard line policy, no matter what the Republicans say. There was a time, not too long ago, when the Democratic Party platform called for a repeal of the Taft Hartley Act that prohibits any real union organizing and called for a national economic plan, i.e. a planned economy, to avoid the bust / bust cycle we continue to experience with regular frequency. Hubert Humphry was a big proponent of the national economic plan. Today both parties are visible supporters of the anarchy of the "free enterprise" system. There was a time when the anti-trust laws, the ones that are still in effect, were actually enforced to prohibit monopolies. Now we have companies that are "too big to fail" and both parties continue to support the policies that maintain the status quo. How many banksters that caused the economy to collapse in 2007/2008 are in jail today? None. That's because both parties support the status quo, somewhere between the forty yard lines.

I could provide dozens of examples, but it's clear that the President is correct - today's politics are all played between the forty yard lines.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
32. "Maybe that's because both teams are owned by the same people - and it's not us."
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:40 PM
Dec 2013

That reminded me of George Carlin. What he said is as true today as it was then.

"It's a big club, and you aint in it"

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