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Obama Gets Realby PAUL KRUGMAN at the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/opinion/krugman-obama-gets-real.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1&
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This isnt entirely new terrain for Mr. Obama. What struck me about this speech, however, was what he had to say about the sources of rising inequality. Much of our political and pundit class remains devoted to the notion that rising inequality, to the extent that its an issue at all, is all about workers lacking the right skills and education. But the president now seems to accept progressive arguments that education is at best one of a number of concerns, that Americas growing class inequality largely reflects political choices, like the failure to raise the minimum wage along with inflation and productivity.
And because the president was willing to assign much of the blame for rising inequality to bad policy, he was also more forthcoming than in the past about ways to change the nations trajectory, including a rise in the minimum wage, restoring labors bargaining power, and strengthening, not weakening, the safety net.
And there was this: When it comes to our budget, we should not be stuck in a stale debate from two years ago or three years ago. A relentlessly growing deficit of opportunity is a bigger threat to our future than our rapidly shrinking fiscal deficit. Finally! Our political class has spent years obsessed with a fake problem worrying about debt and deficits that never posed any threat to the nations future while showing no interest in unemployment and stagnating wages. Mr. Obama, Im sorry to say, bought into that diversion. Now, however, hes moving on.
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indepat
(20,899 posts)that oozed with inequality.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
dchill
(38,474 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)whispering in his ear any longer has allowed his head to clear.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)The Charlie Brown in this political cartoon has never been President Obama. And the GOP has never been Lucy.
Rather, President Obama has played Lucy to a hopeful nation of Charlie Browns, myself included.
Actions. That is the measuring stick now. Not speeches.
al_liberal
(420 posts)This is Obama "tilting at windmills" again because talk is cheap.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)and I just don't see how the inequality message matches the push to sign the TPP.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)Could construe TPP as a vehicle for income equality.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Yet, he hasn't. Speeches about income inequality and the environment, but TPP is still on track to be a thing and Keystone hasn't been shut down.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Just because he gets to decide on these, it doesn't mean that he should not take into account the hopes, dreams, and feelings of the wealthiest Americans.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)And ONLY the President can negotiate a treaty. Surely you understand this, don't you?
Wait. Upon re-reading I think your comment was snark.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)But what you mentioned are not among them. The Presidet could also require that government contractors who pay a decent minimum are the only ones eligable for contracts.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)And he isn't leading his party in a way to regain power to deal with those real problems. It is an old story, but today's Dems just don't demonstrate much of a difference from the Republican positions in so many cases. Yes, we can find plenty of individuals who try to take progressive steps, but they are almost always undercut by this Clintonesque obsession with acting like junior Republicans.
I don't know why this is so hard for the beltway people to understand. If people want conservative policies, they will vote for Republicans who proudly champion those values, not for a Dem who doesn't really stand for anything recognizable.
The whole Obama Presidency has been an exercise in avoiding conflict, and the only way to avoid conflict is to avoid demonstrating any bedrock principles.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Give him working majorities in the Senate and the House. It's not his fault if we fail to do that.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I'm not sure at this point.
I'm really happy to see this new direction on economics on his part, but he should be out there with the fast-food strikers. They are out on the streets in California these days.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)"Well if Americans don't like the gridlock in Congress, they need to let their Congressmen and Senators know."
He NEVER, EVER paints a clear picture of who is doing what to the American people. And he never has campaigned vigorously with the message "Give me a Congress I can work with to do X Y and Z."
Damned coward. Newt Gingrich did exactly this. He told Americans what he wanted to accomplish and what it would take (i.e. that they had to elect REPUBLICANS and Make Newt the Speaker. He wasn't bashful about it. And he listed 10 fairly clear things that he promised to enact if he was Speaker.
Guess what? The public took him up on it, even though most people didn't understand 1/4 of the items on his list. They knew that he was promising to do something fairly specific. It wasn't just the usual happy talk you get from their DLCers.
We need a leader that will spell out such a clear agenda for us today. But the big difference is that the Republicans got behind Ringing. Today's Democrats continue to be as spineless as ever. Faced with the clearest possible point of distinction in 2 generations -- health care for all Americans, they go running for cover every time the issue comes up.
blue14u
(575 posts)mentioned it.. the POTUS isn't out there. Are any of our elected Democrats
out in the streets with the FF strikers, or Wally World workers?
Your right, I have heard a couple of the "elected" speak mildly, (Except Bernie
speaks often and loud) Love him... but other than him, I can't recall
seeing or hearing them speak on this ..
WowSeriously
(343 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)It lessens his chances of fast tracking the TTP.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)talks of the problems within the party. Keep in mind that all elected officials spend the majority of their time raising money. Where does the money come from? Wall Street. This story regarding Elizabeth and the Thirdway helps explain the problem we are in.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/06/elizabeth-warren-shreds-wing-critics-amazing-sentence.html
applegrove
(118,632 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)what drives inequality in this country. His campaign speeches were chock full of liberal conventional wisdom on economic issues. That's one of the things that made his repeated selling out of the left so disappointing. He usually *says* the right thing, then maneuvers himself into a position from which he "has no choice" but to accept some corporate approach.
Anyway, call me when he publicly rejects the TPP. Until then, I'll file this under "More of the Same".
Cha
(297,177 posts)President Obama.. learning on the job and learning well. In spite of unprecedented hate and obstruction.
Mahalo applegrove!
Cha
(297,177 posts)who's gotten so much accomplished in spite of all the obstruction. And, all it really is.. is so much BLAH BLAH BLAH.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Pardon us who are confused about which side of the class war he's on. His speeches say 99%, but his administration's involvement in the TPP (among many other things) says 1%.
You can't fight income inequality while you're simultaneously working to further stack the odds in favor of the rich.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Oh and the fact he got huffy because Elizabeth Warren had the nerve to ask tough questions of one of his Wall Street pals.
He has done some good things but make no mistake, he's mostly neo democratic like Bill and Hillary. And the TPP - nothing blah there.
Blue Owl
(50,355 posts)n/t