Gods born on December 25th:

[Playinghardball]

[snooper2]

1. What about gods born in January?

Where is my list damn it!

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Yeah, uh, about that.

We had to move you to the "demigod" department.

Didn't you get the memo?

[snooper2]

4. Hell no you didn't!

you do realize I have the power to shut the water off....everywhere-

[Liberal Veteran]

7. Oh, please. Gods and/or Goddesses of the municipal water supply are a dime a dozen.

Now if you happened to be the god of stain resistant fabric, we might consider a promotion to the lower pantheon.

[Boom Sound 416]

2. Works for me

June 16th is no good. Screws up the week before New Years.

[Sanity Claws]

5. Source please

Hermes is older than the 400s BCE.

I don't know a whole lot about the others but once I see one thing in a list like this that is definitely wrong, I doubt the accuracy of the rest.

[Ghost in the Machine]

38. I posted this list a few years ago from the book "The Worlds Sixteen Crucified Saviors"

CHAPTER VIII.
THE TWENTY-FIFTH OF DECEMBER THE BIRTHDAY OF THE GODS.

DIVESTED of all explanation, the announcement of the fact that the time of the birth of many of the incarnated Gods and Saviors of antiquity was fixed at the same period, and this period the twenty-fifth of December, celebrated all over Christendom as the birthday of Jesus Christ, would sound marvelously strange, especially when it is noticed that this period formerly dated the birth of a new year—the birth of King Sol. And when we find that the ancient pagans were in the habit of celebrating this venerated twenty-fifth of December as the birthday of their Gods in the same manner Christians now celebrate it as the birthday of Christ, we are driven to admit that something more than mere fortuitous accident must be adduced to account for the coincidence.

According to Dr. Lightfoot, the temple of Jerusalem was employed in celebrating the birthday of a pagan God (Adonis) on the very night Christians assign for the birth of Christ. And Robert Taylor informs us that nearly all the nations of the East were once in the habit of rising at midnight to celebrate the birthday of their Gods, on the twenty-fifth of December. And to this statement Mr. Higgins adds that, "At the first moment after midnight of the twenty-fourth of December, the ancient nations celebrated the accouchement of the queen of heaven and celestial virgin, and the birth of the God Sol, the Infant Savior, and the God of Day.

Bacchus of Egypt, Bacchus of Greece, Adonis of Greece, Chrishna of India, Chang-ti of China, Chris of Chaldea, Mithra of Persia, Sakia of India, Jao Wapaul (a crucified Savior of ancient Britain), were all born on the twenty-fifth of December, according to their respective histories. Chrishna is represented to have been born at midnight on the twenty-fifth of the month Savarana, which answers to our December, and millions of his disciples celebrated his birthday by decorating their houses with garlands and gilt paper, and the bestowment of presents to friends. The Rev. Mr. Barret tells us, "It was once common for the women in Rome to perambulate the streets on the twenty-fifth of December, singing in a loud voice, "Unto us a child is born this day."

The twenty-fifth of December, then, it will be observed, was marked as the birthday of the incarnated Gods, Saviors, and Sons of God, of many of the religious systems of antiquity, long prior to the birth of Christ.

And why his birth was fixed at that date is not hard to account for. According to the celebrated Christian writer Mr. Goodrich, the Christian world had no chronology and recorded no dates for several centuries after the commencement of the Christian era. (See History of all Nations, p. 23.) No event of their history was marked by dates for nearly four hundred years. Hence, the time of Christ's birth is altogether a matter of conjecture, as is also every other event noticed in the Christian bible. This is proved by the fact that the ablest Christian writers and chronologists differ to the extent of thirty-five hundred years in fixing the time of every event in the bible. A Mr. Kennedy presents us with three hundred different chronological systems, by different Christian writers, all founded on the bible, and proving that the date of its various events are inextricably involved in a labyrinth of doubt, darkness and uncertainty.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs13.htm

Link to the whole book: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/

Peace,

Ghost

[struggle4progress]

58. That's the Kersey Graves book from 1875. We've discussed it extensively

here previously. Back then, Graves' scholarship struck me as rather unimpressive:

Graves claims Krishna was crucified, and cites as evidence the report of a Mr. Higgins of a sculpture, allegedly in the British museum, showing Krishna "represented with a hole in the top of one foot, just above the toes, where the nail was inserted in the act of crucifixion." Since the ancient Mahabharata reports Krishna went to heaven after being shot in the foot by an arrow, it is reasonable to wonder whether the sculpture allegedly seen by Mr. Higgins does not represent the arrow-wound in Krishna's foot

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs21.htm
http://www.indianetzone.com/38/death_lord_krishna.htm

Graves next speaks of the crucifixion of Sakia Muni, who he says is also known as Budha Sakia. But Sakyamuni is, in fact, just another name for Gautama Buddha, who (according to the Maha-Parinibbana-Sutta) went with his disciples to a grove on the banks of the Hirannavati at Kusinara, had a lengthy conversation on various matters, and then entered into a series of trances that carried him away: the standard Buddhist canon does not teach that Buddha was crucified

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs21.htm
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/dharmadata/fdd36.ht...
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/India/buddha-life.html

After this, Graves wants to discuss "Thammuz of Syria." Mr. Higgins (whose ignorance of the Mahabharata we noticed above) now is cited as an authority on the crucifixion of Thammuz. Now Tammuz is in fact a very ancient character, already mentioned in the saga Gilgamesh. In "TAMMUZ AND ISHTAR: A MONOGRAPH UPON BABYLONIAN RELIGION AND THEOLOGY CONTAINING EXTENSIVE EXTRACTS FROM THE TAMMUZ LITURGIES AND ALL OF THE ARBELA ORACLES" (1914), Langdon says He appears in the great theological list as dumu-zi ab-zu, Tammuz of the nether sea and cites an ancient liturgy that speaks of the youthful god who perished in his boat, and another of the wild wind and wave which carried him away. The scholarship of Graves does not appear to compare favorably to the scholarship of Langdon

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs21.htm
http://www.archive.org/stream/tammuzandishtar00languoft/tammuzandishtar00languoft_djvu.txt

So far Graves seems to have won zero of three, and there seems little point continuing to examine his claims

[Scootaloo]

51. It's garbage

Looks like the list from Zeitgeist.

Stuff like this is like how well-meaning Wiccans seem to declare absolutely every female deity an analogue of their notion of "The Goddess."

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

6. Daaahammm! Just missed...

My birthday is June 17. Missed being a god by a day.
Although it was a good day for a slow car chase!

[itsrobert]

8. I thought he was the son of God?

born from a virgin? ie: Mary slept her boss, and made up a story for the gullible.

[GeorgeGist]

9. Wasn't Zoroaster ...

in Ghost Busters?

[Vashta Nerada]

11. That was Gozer.

[NuclearDem]

33. THERE IS NO GOZER. ONLY ZUUL.

[fadedrose]

61. What did ZUUL do with GOZER?

I understand he had high ratings, GOZER, that is.

[LibertyLover]

10. One small suggestion -

BCE = Before Common Era (sometimes written as BC)

CE = Common Era (sometimes written as AD)

I love the 'cancel my subscription' letters that sometimes show up in Biblical Archaeology magazine from people who complain that an article in one of the previous issues used CE and/or BCE instead of the [Christian and Godly] correct BC and AD. They sometimes get rather heated. Each time the editor prints a little notice that it is up to the authors of the articles to decide what they want to use and the magazine doesn't change that or require a certain style.

[fadedrose]

23. I used to get BA

No longer do, but I remember well the letters to the editor canceling subscriptions because of the "Before Christ" dating not being used....

After BA championed the fight and the RCC released the Dead Sea Scrolls it was not as exciting. Critical books written since the scrolls were good.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. Ummmm...Adonis wasn't a god.

Hermes is older then 400BCE. Heracles was born way before 800BCE (try around 1260s!). Dionysus is older as well, though supposedly born in December (never heard this for any of the other Greeks mentioned).

[Deny and Shred]

13. List ought to include Sol Invictus

Roman Emperor Aurelian was a devotee of Sol, and expanded worship throughout the Empire. He established the big day for worship as Dec 25th. He ruled in the 270's AD. The church codified things not too long after, and used the existing day for their purposes.

[madrchsod]

14. jesus was`t a god.....

[edhopper]

16. Then how is he part of the Trinity?

I think we can just say the list is of divine personages.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. "Man is the only animal to have discovered The One True God....several of them." Mark Twain

[In_The_Wind]

18. Hello ~ FMalone

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That's a very interesting bit of research.

[In_The_Wind]

21. Oh. I believe you.

[fadedrose]

25. Zechariah Sitchin interprets Genesis

and other pseudepigrapha as being based on truth, and he makes sense.

[MattBaggins]

32. Sitchin makes sense? For real? Alien astronauts Sitchin?

[fadedrose]

44. You think Adam, Eve. the snake, apple and devil are more credible

Before History 2 ever started showing cave drawings, etc., Sitchin had all stuff put down so it made sense. The Pope had an audience with him, and the Vatican has observatory, not sure which western state, AZ, NM, not sure, but the last word on aliens is that the church wanted to convert them....

I don't believe all of it, but if we were once Tiamet, and something crashed into us, created the asteroid belt, tilted the earth to give us seasons and gave us a moon...I don't know where or who made it, but it makes sense.

He doesn't just talk about the Sumarians, he covers all countries and continents, gives an approximate age, tells about the creation of early man, etc.

I'm not a firm believer, but would not be the least surprised if it were all true.

[MattBaggins]

47. I think neither are credible

[Ghost in the Machine]

42. Longer than that, actually. Here's a book from 1875.....

"The Worlds Sixteen Crucified Saviors": Chapter 8

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs13.htm

Welcome to DU

Ghost

[fadedrose]

24. Check out B. Thiering's RIDDLE OF THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS

claiming that Jesus was one of the folks who lived in Qumran, many of whom worked on the Scrolls...

[fadedrose]

30. They weren't discovered till '47 or so

and the church did it's best to keep them hid away. Too many people saw Jesus as the evil priest who wanted do relax rules, etc., in order to convert pagans and other Romans to Judaism. Circumcision was not something Romans were apt to do.

Dr. Thiering (Australia) translates the gospels from the original Greek and her discoveries to me were the most incredible things I ever read. If you haven't read it you might get it from a library. BA panned it, I think only because they have so many Christian subscribers. Amazon may have used copies.

The book itself is very short, but the appendix, glossary, dates, etc, make up more than l/2 the book.

She explains the virgin birth, Jesus' followers, his marriage, Crucifixion, life after the Crucifixion, traveling with Paul (Acts), having a daughter and other fascinating bits all there.

[jazzimov]

43. A "light-year" is a measure of distance, not time.

But isn't there some passage in the "Bible" that says a single day is like 5000 years to God, or some shit like that?

[fadedrose]

45. yes, some shit like that, close enough . .

[Penicilino]

19. No evidence is provided that these Gods are said to have been born on December 25th

Just a red square making the statement.

[fadedrose]

27. I've read that Dec 25 date elsewhere

in fact, several elsewheres, but can't remember what books or authors. He's right.

You know that Christmas trees sell best in December wtih snow, and June is a poor time to buy Christmas presents - it's midseason, bathing suits and t-shirts on sale. Nobody wants expensive coats, shoes and boots in June.

[Penicilino]

50. And you've read much more often that the date is around the Winder solstice

Of DEcember 21th, not necessarily the 25th.

[fadedrose]

60. A link could be found to say anything...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_other_gods_celebrate_birth_on_or_around_Dec_25

What other gods celebrate birth on or around Dec 25?
In: Religion & Spirituality, Christmas, Christianity [Edit categories]
Answer:
Mithra, the Middle Eastern Sun God, is reborn every 25th of December. Interestingly enough, every autumn, he sacrifices himself on a cross so that his blood may fertilize the crops.

Also, the Celtic god Cernunnos (Horned One) is born on the Winter Solstice, which takes place on or near the 21st of December. Several other pagan gods have their birthday on or around this time. If anyone else can come up with a full list, feel free to improve my answer.

Interestingly enough, Jesus Christ was actually born in the springtime, according to the Bible: "And it came to pass that in the sixth month (somewhere near June), Mary conceived and was with child." If we assume the usual nine-month gestation period, this would put the blessed event somewhere between February and April, and probably in March by process of elimination. So why the change? The Roman Catholic Church noticed that all those people who practiced their own back-hills (or "pagan," descended from "pagani," or "country folk&quot religions had a celebration in which their god was born or reborn near the Winter Solstice. Rather than fight this trend, they went with the flow and moved their own Christ Mass to the 25th, right when Mithra was born.

Christmas is not a holiday that Jesus would celebrate.
Nimrod of Babylon was slain by Shem. Nimrod was later worshiped as the sun god. His rebirth was celebrated on December 25th

[liberalmuse]

29. "Merry Hormas" just doesn't have the same ring.

Love it! I'd not delved into this much, but am not surprised. I guess he who re-writes history gets to plagiarize and just plain ol' make up shit.

[Tanuki]

34. Wrong about Krishna

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Janmashtami

[freshwest]

35. The goddess of DU:

Worshipped since 2890 BC.

[In_The_Wind]

37. Very nice!

[REP]

39. Well, I'm not really a goddess and my birthday is 12/26

But I am the reason for the season. Me and Axial Tilt.

[freshwest]

41. hehehe

[LadyHawkAZ]

48. Bow, heathens!

[freshwest]

49. It's that time of year...

[BlueJazz]

36. I could celebrate Prometheus. Absolutely. Isn't he/she the God of Chocolate ?

[REP]

40. Fire, lighters

[BlueJazz]

46. melted Chocolate container

[Bucky]

54. The god of fondue!

All praise Prometheus!!

[Borchkins]

52. When I first read this I thought it said "I could celebrate permafrost."

[BlueJazz]

55. Permafrost...huh...I think you've come up with something. Start an Air Conditioning plant.

"Stay Frosty Cool with Permafrost !"

[struggle4progress]

59. Probably not the god of chocolate, since it first came to Western civilization from Mexico,

though adding sugar to it seems to be a European innovation

[BlueJazz]

62. Oh,rats..I was just trying to find a God that was fairly inexpensive. Maybe I can find one on sale ?

[Bucky]

53. "BCE = Before Common Era (Sometimes written as CE)" ==> Sorry, but no.

BCE is the old "BC"
The Common Era started in the year 1, which celebrates Christ's 5th or possibly 7th birthday.
CE is the old "AD" and so it's the exact opposite of BCE.

[rock]

56. Jesus wasn't a god, just the son of a god

You know, like Hercules. And as best as I can make out, the Christians name for their god is God. Apparently, one of them got the idea from a dog he had named Dog.

[struggle4progress]

57. December is a Roman month. Before the Julian reform, there was a political component

to the Roman calendar, so the length of the year could vary considerably

And most ancient cultures didn't use the Roman calendar: lunisolar calendars were not infrequent

So claims like "Horus was born on 25 December" deserve careful scrutiny