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The case for the Oxford Comma in one screenshot... (Original Post) Playinghardball Dec 2013 OP
LOL.... mike_c Dec 2013 #1
I never knew that had a name. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #2
Most interesingly, PCIntern Dec 2013 #3
Well, TECHNICALLY, that's not a sentence. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #4
Not a sentence rock Dec 2013 #10
Have you got some kind of hatred for semicolons? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #13
Nope rock Dec 2013 #16
"The biggest influences in my life have been my parents, Mother Theresa and the Pope." eppur_se_muova Dec 2013 #5
"I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #6
OK, I'll do the obvious (bicycle) alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #7
My husband knows that I LOATHE TxDemChem Dec 2013 #8
Is there a coherent case against it? moondust Dec 2013 #9
Yes, sometimes it's not needed and is distracting to the reader. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #12
Distracting? moondust Dec 2013 #14
The nuns who taught me to write said "just do it." and I"ve been using it ever since. mulsh Dec 2013 #11
You've heard of that writing exercise... "woman without her man is nothing" ? calimary Dec 2013 #15
Couple of things Android3.14 Dec 2013 #17
Does Michelle know? bluescribbler Dec 2013 #18
Now you made me go to Wikipedia Ratty Dec 2013 #19
Where are they registered? merrily Dec 2013 #20

PCIntern

(25,517 posts)
3. Most interesingly,
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:41 PM
Dec 2013

the wiki entry on Oxford Comma has a funny situation which arose in the Times and involves, Mandela and Peter Ustinov!

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
4. Well, TECHNICALLY, that's not a sentence.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:53 PM
Dec 2013

So it doesn't really make the case completely. But I mostly agree with your sentiment.

Also, it's funny.

eppur_se_muova

(36,257 posts)
5. "The biggest influences in my life have been my parents, Mother Theresa and the Pope."
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 07:12 PM
Dec 2013

Saw something very similar to that on DU some time back.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
12. Yes, sometimes it's not needed and is distracting to the reader.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:21 PM
Dec 2013

What is the ideal use is that people be smart enough to use it when it is needed and not use it when not needed. But, well, you know...

moondust

(19,967 posts)
14. Distracting?
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:40 PM
Dec 2013

Can you cite an example of it being distracting?

It ALWAYS separates one item in a list from another, just like the other commas in the list, and thus ALWAYS clarifies the meaning--the same as the other commas.

calimary

(81,181 posts)
15. You've heard of that writing exercise... "woman without her man is nothing" ?
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:42 PM
Dec 2013

How important is the placement of the humble comma?

A teacher asks his students to punctuate this sentence: "Woman without her man is nothing." The men all write, "Woman, without her man, is nothing." The women all write, "Woman! Without her, man is nothing!"

I kinda like the second version myself...

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
17. Couple of things
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 09:14 PM
Dec 2013

It's not the comma. It is the passive voice.
One, editors should avoid passive voice in headlines.
Second, it's the passive voice that makes the comma use funny. If it had been "Top stories: World leaders at Mandela tribute, Obama-Castro handshake and officials set same-sex marriage date" few would have noticed the double entende, because the use of active voice eliminates the chuckle.
Third, the AP Style Book says to use the "A,B and C" format for simple lists, but to use "A, B, and C" for clarity in more complex lists, and to use the semicolon in extremely complex lists. An observant editor would have used the additional comma.
The comma debate, like the debate over passive voice, is more about recognizing when to use it and when to decide against it. The editor in this case, was paying little attention.
But news editors must deal with many thousands of words each day, and the unedited content must leave within minutes of hitting the editor's desk, so I'm gonna give the dude or dudette a pass.

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