UPDATED: Megyn Kelly: 'Santa Is What He Is,' Which Is White

[DonViejo]

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CATHERINE THOMPSON – DECEMBER 12, 2013, 9:13 AM EST

Megyn Kelly has a message for all the children staying up past bedtime to watch "The Kelly File:" Santa is white. The Fox News host on Wednesday discussed a Slate piece written by Aisha Harris, in which Harris detailed the effect of seeing the local mall's white Santa in contrast with her family's black Santa.

"By the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white but this person is just arguing that maybe we should also have a black Santa," Kelly said. "Santa is what he is and just so you know, we are debating this because someone wrote about it, kids."

Kelly said Harris "seems to have real pain" because of growing up around images of a white Santa, but argued the article "goes off the rails" when Harris suggests that a penguin serve as a new, more inclusive symbol of the holiday.

"Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," Kelly said. "Jesus was a white man, too. He was a historical figure. That's a verifiable fact -- as is Santa. I just want the kids watching to know that. My point is, how do you just revise it in the middle of the legacy of the story and change Santa from white to black?"

Watch below:

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/megyn-kelly-for-all-you-kids-watching-at-home-santa-just-is-white-video

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Slate Blogger Reality Checks Megyn Kelly: 'Santa Isn't Real

CATHERINE THOMPSON – DECEMBER 12, 2013, 2:05 PM EST

The Slate blogger whose piece, "Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore," was trashed by Megyn Kelly responded Thursday with a reality check for the Fox News host.

Aisha Harris' message to Kelly: "Santa isn't real."

The Fox News host went off on Harris' article Wednesday, insisting it was a "verifiable fact" that Santa was white. Kelly argued if the image of a white Santa made Harris "uncomfortable," that didn't mean the image "has to change."

In her response, Harris agreed with one of Kelly's panelists who noted that Santa is historically based on a Greek bishop. But as Harris pointed out, "Santa hardly resembles his supposed inspiration, who was depicted as tall and thin and, you know, Greek. He did not have a workshop in the North Pole nor eight faithful reindeer."

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/slate-blogger-reality-checks-megyn-kelly-santa-isn-t-real

[Aristus]

1. Shit, FOX isn't even pretending to do journalism anymore...

[Coyotl]

35. Santa is a really rich white guy who doesn't like poor children.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024168146

[niyad]

2. megyn, as usual, you got it wrong. santa claus is a WOMAN.

NEWS FLASH: Santa Claus is a Woman!

Images-1 **If you believe in Santa Claus you might want to stop reading now. My recent findings might just rock your Christmas world.**

I believe there has been a eons old cover up surrounding Christmas, and more specifically surrounding the revered figure of Santa Claus. All pictures of Santa show a male figure, rotund in shape, with white hair and a full snowy beard. His job is depicted as keeping a list of not only who is good and bad each year, but what they want for Christmas, ensuring each gift is handmade and then delivering them all over the world - in one night.

Well, I'm here to blow his cover. I have discovered - without a doubt - that Santa Claus is a woman. Think about it. No offense to my many male friends, but do you know ANY man who could keep up with the behavior (or even pay attention to?) of all the children in the world AND what they'd want for Christmas? This right here eliminates Santa as a man for me. Most men I know are wandering around a mall one day this week doing some "power shopping" for the one of two gifts they are responsible for. For years my dad shopped for my mom on Christmas Eve. So the idea of any guy planning ahead, and making gifts all year long is clearly ludicrous. Keeping up with all the myriad of Christmas "musts" requires goddess like skills.

Guys, I know this is crushing. Who wouldn't want to be Santa? This Christmas icon whizzes thru the sky at high speeds, racing 747's then rappels off of roofs, dropping down chimneys. And of course, eats lots and lots of cookies. I'll admit that these activities sound slightly more masculine perhaps. After all, my mother always taught me that the way to any man's heart is through his stomach. Most women might be substituting a Diet Coke at all those stops. And we wouldn't want you to leave cookies, as chocolate is our drug of choice. So I'll admit that the public image of Santa makes it easier to believe this favorite Christmas character is male.

But I'm sorry. After planning Christmas parties, family gatherings, thinking about creative and loving gifts, shopping for everyone from kids to teachers, baking hundreds of cookies, wrapping presents, writing cards to everyone we've ever known to wish them a Merry Christmas, and delivering gifts for the past 25 years I've reached the stunning conclusion that it's all a cover up. The domain of Santa Claus - preparing for Christmas, remembering all the details, carrying out all the planning, thinking of all those people to be rewarded or thanked or encouraged, and then organizing this grand event is done all over the world every year by women. Not men. (usually, although I'd be happy to be proven wrong)

So after doing the mad Christmas dash - once again - and LOVIN' IT, I'm here to be the first to break this story. Santa Claus is a woman. And "his" sleigh is a mini-van.

http://aworshipfulheart.typepad.com/a_worshipful_heart/2009/12/news-flash-santa-claus-is-a-woman.html

[Shandris]

33. LOL that's very cute.

I think I agree with the author completely; ohhh, my father isn't going to be happy!

[Eleanors38]

3. White. As a ghost.

[reflection]

4. Another great day in "journalism."

I'm sure Cronkite would have tackled these tough issues as well.

[BlueStreak]

5. Obviously he is white. You know. Like Jesus.

No wonder they crucified Jesus. He must have really stood out -- that buff, European white man living amongst all those north Africans and Middle Easterners.

Pastor Ezekiel explains all.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=33204

THIS


Not THIS

[Marrah_G]

9. Not the best comparison

He would have indeed looked northern European, unlike Jesus.

[CJCRANE]

18. Not exactly. He lived in Turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas

[Marrah_G]

23. Santa is a mix of a number of different myths

St. Nicholas may have been from the Turkey/Greece area but there are also very nordic aspects from Odin and winter solstice stories all melded together to form the myth of Santa Claus. LOL.... it seems bizarre to be arguing the skin color of a mythical figure.

[stopbush]

29. Actually, more like this:

Jesus.

[mainer]

6. Yeah, white as a Turk

since "Sinterklaas", the basis for the American Santa Claus, was the Bishop of Myra in Turkey.

[Marrah_G]

24. Turkey, especially back then was a real melting pot of people

Constantinople was a huge trading center with people who came there from all over the "known world".

[Capt. Obvious]

34. Instanbul not Consantinople

[mainer]

7. Here's the reconstruction of St. Nicholas's face

Cool.

Modern forensic anthropology has developed tools to help discover what people looked like. These techniques are primarily used to assist in identifying unknown crime victims. However, they can be used also for historic personages when there is access to the right information. Normally, this would be skeletal remains, including the skull.

St. Nicholas' remains are buried in the crypt of the Basilica di San Nicola in Bari, Italy. These bones were temporarily removed when the crypt was repaired during the 1950s. At the Vatican's request, anatomy professor Luigi Martino from the University of Bari, took thousands of minutely-detailed measurements and x-ray photographs (roentgenography) of the skull and other bones...

After inferring the size and shape of facial muscles—there are around twenty-six—from the skull data, the muscles are pinned onto the virtual skull, stretched into position, and covered with a layer of "skin." "The muscles connect in the same place on everyone, but because skulls vary in shape, a different face develops," Wilkinson comments. The tangents from different parts of the nasal cavity determine the length of a nose. This was difficult because St. Nicholas' nose had been badly broken. "It must have been a very hefty blow because it's the nasal bones between the eyes that are broken," she continued.

The result of the project is the image of a Greek man, living in Asia Minor (part of the Greek Byzantine Empire), about 60-years old, 5-feet 6-inches tall, who had a heavy jaw and a broken nose.

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/real-face/

[Capt. Obvious]

8. The War on White Christmas

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024167127

[frylock]

10. "That's a verifiable fact"

[raging moderate]

11. St. Nicholas lived down around Turkey someplace, didn't he?

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If Megyn Kelly could meet him, she would probably throw a fit about his skin color! The earliest pictures seem to show a man with medium brown skin and black eyes. All you black people, go right ahead and have your black Santa Claus figure! He's no more off the mark than Megyn Kelly's white Santa Claus figure! If I ever take a non-white child to the Mall and we encounter a white Santa Claus, I will probably answer any questions by saying that of course this person is filling in for the real Santa Claus, who is busy right now making and packing toys for Christmas! In fact, whenever the subject came up during my public school career, I always just told the children quickly that Santa Claus had lived long ago, such a good kind man that he has become a special person for giving things to chidren, and they never got shocked or even inquired further. Of course I meant as a symbol, but they didn't have to know that, unless their parents wanted to tell them that at home. Nowadays, Santa Claus functions as a focus of giving good things to all the children, and the real one would love it. He loved children, and he loved giving presents! Reportedly, he was born rich but lived frugally and gave away all his wealth bit by bit to persons in need. He liked to help anybody in trouble and even helped to rescue and revive some kidnapped children. THAT is what Santa Claus is about, and of course it is only natural if local groups have identified him with similar figures in their own cultures.
Megyn Kelly's problem is only the old "white" delusion of racial superiority, of being the only "real" or "proper" human beings, a sort of ideal form of humanity toward which all the others should strive. I put that word "white" in quotes because actually, if you look at us, we are not really "white." Even Megyn Kelly, pale as she is, cannot be accurately described as "white." She is a sort of beige, which is really pale brown. CS Lewis once noted that most children will believe that the fish knives in their mother's kitchen are the only real fish knives, and that any fish knives that look different are not proper fish knives at all. When I was a child, I was shocked to discover that other people's soup spoons were not round! My uncle had given identical silverware sets to my mother and my grandmother at some point (I think when he got his post-WWII service payment) , so I thought all soup spoons everywhere were round. However, I got used to the others. The myth about the blond, blue-eyed Santa (and also Jesus) is sort of like that.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Sorry, but "Jesus was not a white man, too".

[spanone]

13. faux, going deep with heavy, thought provoking, probing stories...this is heavy shit for faux

it's so important to remind children what race santa claus actually is.

after all, christmas is all about race.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. Santa also works for the NSA

In addition to being white, Saint Nicholas was a monster of commerce who kept an NSA-like list of all the nice or naughty actions committed by the world's children.

[Octafish]

15. Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are NAZIs.

Not crypto-. NAZIs.

[Kingofalldems]

16. They actually had a panel talking about Santa Claus?

[CanonRay]

17. Meagan should be working for ‘Vőlkischer Beobachter’

IMHO. Well, Fox is the next best thing.

[Gothmog]

19. Fox does not have to worry about losing its non-white viewers

Fox News has so few non-white viewers that the loss of these viewers would not matter

[hughee99]

20. Fighting over the race and skin color of a fucking IMAGINARY person...

Using the word "News" in the network name should be considered false advertising.

[Marrah_G]

25. I know... I just facepalmed at myself...

lmao

[stopbush]

26. Crazy, isn't it? Getting bent out of shape over Jesus.

That is the imaginary person you were talking about, correct?

[JoePhilly]

21. I've concluded that Megyn Kelly is a fictional character.

No actual person could be that stupid.

[dembotoz]

27. my best xmas as an adult was in the bahammas about 30 years ago

my wife and i were staying in a tiny awful hotel(great story-but not germain to this subject)

anyway we would visit other hotels and resorts where the food appeared edible.
One of these resorts featured a Santa who was black who was handing out fairly nice gifts to the children of the guests who were staying there.

From what I could tell the Santa could have been purple with green strips.
He was accepted as Santa--the clothing makes the man in this case, not the race of the man.

alas more bull shit from fox

[KansDem]

28. "Santa is white!"

And don't you forget it!

[Bluzmann57]

30. If Santa is white who was that fella I saw Saturday night?

There was some brown skinned man donning a Santa suit at the Philippine/American party we were at last Saturday night. And you know what? I did not hear one kid complaining.
Fox "news" should just stfu and let people enjoy the season.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Hey Megan, Jesus was a Semite Jew

I know this is hard to get, but he looked more like a modern day Arab.

I know, it will be ok.

As to Santa, well, you would not like the original one bit.

[Revanchist]

32. According to this retelling, Santa is a man who is being punished for being naughty

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/you-better-watch-out-6466393

It's a half hour long but a good listen

[MiniMe]

36. Santa Claus and Jesus are white, it is an historic fact

according to Megyn

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

38. Good thing she's "the smart one". Holy shit!. nt