If you were born before 1963

[Demeter]

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Congratulations!

You have survived not one, but TWO unlawful overthrows of the Constitutional government of the United States.

The first coup was on November 22nd, 1963, when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, TX. Despite all official attempts to blame this on a lone, crazed gunman, the public can sense a lie when it hears it. The people know in their hearts that it took a considerable conspiracy to penetrate the security that surrounded the President, even in those primitive years. NSA was only 10 years old at the time. Think about it.

The consequences of this assassination, besides creating our second Presidential martyr, included Nixon's narrow escape from impeachment and Ford's unconditional pardon for all Nixon's crimes, yet another trauma inflicted on the public to spare it more trauma...

This event left this country with a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that continues to this day. The blatant attempts to whitewash the coup only inflict further pain. It took 60 years to reveal the ugly truths of WWII. Perhaps in another ten, we will know some facts about Kennedy.

The second coup was December 9, 2000, when the Supreme Court by a 5-4 decision placed George W. Bush into the White House. There wasn't the slightest attempt to cover up this coup. The consequences were immediate in the form of the attacks on the World Trade Center, which may have been another coup attempt. How we didn't end up under martial law remains a mystery....and a good sign that Dick Cheney hadn't planned it. Never fear. All the preparatory steps have been taken to shut down the country and turn it into a military occupation zone when the next opportunity rolls along.

This second coup spawned several additional economic attacks on the nation, as the financiers of the multinational banks decided to go for the gold and anything else that wasn't nailed down.

We must take back our country, this nation, from those who would do it irreparable harm. The struggle will last long past our lifetimes. The end result hangs by a thread--we just don't know which one. If you love your country, get educated, teach others, and vote! Be public and loud. Keep your family as safe as possible, and your communities strongly united against the Big Money.

The battle goes to the survivors. I charge you all: Survive!

[bobclark86]

2. "The public can sense a lie"

...like the public that can re-elect George W. Bush AFTER he starts two wars?

[Demeter]

4. I did not say the coup was a one-time event

In fact, it continues in some form still throughout this administration. What else is gridlock?

[Iggo]

6. I know, right? Remember when you voted for dim son? Yeah, me too. Good times!

[davekriss]

14. The country did not elect GWB in 2004

Election fraud was rampant. Especially in Ohio, but elsewhere too.

[AlbertCat]

16. like the public that can re-elect George W. Bush AFTER he starts two wars?

But the public probably didn't....

too many anomalies in 2004.

But I don't think anyone can "sense a lie" reliably, nor do I think the government can cover up an assassination plot of its own president.

But the other coup in 2000 was real.

[we can do it]

41. You mean the stolen eection of 2004?

[hack89]

3. Rightttt. Nt

[FarCenter]

5. Yes, the Nader vote in New Hampshire threw the election to Bush.

[brush]

8. A coup, a fraud?

What's the difference? We still got a president that wasn't elected by the people.

And good luck with that on convincing people here on this board that one lone gunman killed Kennedy.

[duffyduff]

24. Oswald did it alone. It is a fact. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks.

It is much of a fact as the earth isn't flat.

[Samantha]

30. It has not been proven that Oswald acted alone

It is almost impossible to prove a negative without a direct correlation. For example, had Oswald confessed and asserted he acted alone, and no further evidence was acquired to disprove that confession, one might be able to say Oswald acted alone. But the reality is that there is zero evidence that proves he acted alone, and there is reason to believe he did not.

Sam

[Zen Democrat]

40. So, another know-it-all who hasn't read "JFK and the Unspeakable."

IMO you can't intelligently discuss the Kennedy assassination without having read the James Douglass masterpiece on the life and death of JFK. Then you'll know it had little to nothing to do with the functionary triggerman(men). RFK Jr. endorses this book.

[hueymahl]

9. +1

[Jack Rabbit]

25. + another 1

The Warren Commission Report may be full of flaws, but I've yet to see a Kennedy assassination CT that didn't have more.

No one in the CIA, NSA or whoever your favorite villain is in the US Government killed President Kennedy any more than Daniel Ellsberg, who was the subject of a really far out CT argued here several weeks ago. Neither did Fidel Castro or "the Communists," whatever that phrase means to the right wing morons who advance it. The Mafia didn't either. They know very well the value of keeping a low profile, and assassinating the President is a lousy way to keep it.

If you work hard enough, you might convince me that Oswald had a co-conspirator who fired a shot, but I doubt that. Oswald distrusted everybody. He called himself a Marxist, but never joined any Marxist-oriented group. He just wasn't a joiner. If there were no draft in those days, he probably wouldn't have joined the only thing the only thing I know of that he did join, the Marines.

I find it interesting that Bush the Preppy can't remember what he was doing that day. He's the only person I even know about who can't remember what he was doing that day or who told him that the President had been shot. For the record, I was told by a man named Frank Chance; he was my sixth grade teacher at the El Dorado Elementary School in Stockton, California. He announced the news to the class at 11:00 am PST, right after we returned from recess, that President Kennedy had been shot. There was no word of his condition at the time.

What was Mr. Bush doing? I have no idea, even if I don't believe him when he claims not to remember. He might have been fucking his mistress, but he didn't kill the President.

[duffyduff]

23. +1,000,000 for a voice of sanity. n/t

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. I actually consider Sep 8, 1974

more than the Kennedy assassination as a coup. We let a criminal get away. Most things happening today can be attributed to that.

[Demeter]

11. It was lawless, but legal

As President, Ford had the ability to grant the pardon. And he was trying his best. I think towards the end, he admitted it was a mistake, though. At least he acted for noble reasons, unlike the infamous Mark Rich pardon.

That particular problem of Ford's pardon could be avoided if the Presidential pardon prohibited a President specifically from pardoning someone in his administration. Then it would have been up to Carter and his successors to pardon, or not.

[merrily]

12. I don't think Ford ever said the pardon was a mistake. He got an award for it.

The Profiles in Courage award. Ted Kennedy said that he had originally been opposed to the pardon, but history proved Ford was right (whatever that means).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

[Demeter]

19. Thanks for the wiki reference

Based on its contents, one could argue that Ford was roped into the conspiracy as an accessory after the fact.

I never thought Edward Kennedy worthy of adulation, frankly. He wasn't in the same intellectual and ethical mold as his brothers. Or maybe he just wasn't willing to be next.

[merrily]

26. I would not argue that at all. Ford is responsible for his own actions.

I don't know about "after the fact" either.

The RNC (then headed by Bush 41, I believe) wanted Nixon to resign. An agreement on the pardon could have been made with Ford before Nixon resigned.


I don't know what Ted Kennedy's ethics have to do with the Nixon pardon, but I would not want to have to make a case for JFK's ethics and, sadly, Bobby was assassinated before we got to know much about it.

[MyNameGoesHere]

13. Ford was the nail in the coffin

the criminal Nixon should not have been allowed to resign. Legal? Ugh. I would never consider using Nixon and legal in the same sentence or even paragraph. This man boasted how the president was above the law a few years later.

[cliffordu]

15. Occam just rolled over in his grave

And shat himself like Chef did on South Park when they killed him.

Fuck me crazy. These motherfuckers couldn't pull off the bay of pigs worth a shit, then blew the intelligence on the Iranian revolution, the collapse of the soviet union and the goddamned WMD almost in Iraq.

I've worked with smarter dogs than those fucking idiots.

Your post is a fail for these reasons and many more.

[Demeter]

18. While you are entitled to an opinion

you get a bonus Ignore with it.

[cliffordu]

48. Hahahahahah

Thanks. All the best in this holiday season!!

[zeemike]

17. As was pointed out the coup was not a single event.

But continuous event that we are still seeing today.
But they have us by the balls, because they have also created the CT meme that they can use on anyone who sees it and speaks up.
It is all about control and they have the ways and means to do that...and willing voices to help them.

[AlbertCat]

20. But they have us by the balls,

"they"

Uh huh....

[zeemike]

27. See...you can turn even a standard word into a CT.

Do I have to list the names of all of them?...

[AlbertCat]

31. So... what is the antecedent of "they"?

Please be specific. "They" is just too broad for any serious person.

[zeemike]

39. Also known as the powers that be.

And to name names is imposable for most of us, sense we are not in the circle of power...
But perhaps you are and can tell us it is all bullshit because they have no power and we are a democratic country and democracy rules not the rich and powerful...that notion is just another CT that the crazes believe...right?

[AlbertCat]

46. But perhaps you are and can tell us ....

I'm not the one making extraordinary claims.

Nor have I ever said: "it is all bullshit because they have no power and we are a democratic country and democracy rules not the rich and powerful."

I merely asked who the hell you were talking about. And the "powers that be" is as vague as "they".

The chip-on-your-shoulder tone, and the fact you keep making up things about me and putting words in my mouth I have never said is what makes me think you are a CT nut.... not the conspiracy you claim to know all about.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.... it's up to you. I'm actually open minded....so shoot!

[upi402]

21. Yep. Obama hasn't helped. Hillary will be worse.

Good luck to all who know better.


kick rec

[duffyduff]

22. JFK wasn't "overthrown"--he was assassinated by a crazy.

The crazy in turn was murdered by a crazy.

[zeemike]

29. And anyone who questions the official story is a crazy.

Because you have to be crazy to say the Emperor is walking around naked.

[AlbertCat]

33. And anyone who questions the official story is a crazy.

You, Zeemike, are the only person who has said such a thing.

[zeemike]

45. No you did....

when you implied that anyone that does not accept the official story is a CTer which you think is crazy.
Or tell me that CTers are not crazy and I will believe you.

[AlbertCat]

47. when you implied that anyone that does not accept the official story is a CTer which you think is cr

You are the one reading that into my statements....

I said "uh huh".

What else do you read into things? You sure make a lot of unfounded assumptions. Why would I believe your CTs when you just made up one about me?????

[Cleita]

28. What I'm wondering is why George Bush wasn't arrested

for war crimes while he was in South Africa for Mandela's funeral and sent to The Hague for trial? In a just world, it would have been fitting at the memorial of the man who was instrumental in ending injustice in that country.

[TBF]

34. He flew to South Africa on Air Force One -

they are not going to arrest him if he is under the protection of the current president. Remember Nancy Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table" - there is likely a lot more to that agreement than we'll never know about.

[Cleita]

44. Disgusting, isn't it?

I really do pray he and his cabal will meet their justice someday,

[TBF]

32. Not before 1963 -

but not too far after. Anyone who doubts any of this is part of the problem And it's not like we weren't warned. Eisenhower tried:

[orpupilofnature57]

37. +1000 !!!!

I use it all the time .

[Samantha]

35. This is an excellent piece

Thank you for posting it.

Sam

[Demeter]

43. Thanks for the kind words

This is a problem that has been growing, not shrinking, as time goes by.

[orpupilofnature57]

36. JFK Was the last man to lead the country..

And the Patriot act is a form of Martial law .

[polichick]

49. Hadn't heard the patriot act described that way, but...

I think it's interesting - that act definitely tossed the rule of law out the door.

[Pastiche423]

38. The second coup

occurred on December 12, 2000.

Otherwise, I agree.

[In_The_Wind]

42. Oh my.

[In_The_Wind]

50. Locking

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