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Racial Microaggressions, Portraits of People Highlight Every-Day Racism (Original Post) ismnotwasm Dec 2013 OP
The trick is to treat everyone the same, regardless of their race. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #1
First nobody is going to ban you ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #2
Is dumbassery automatically racism? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #3
+1. Nothing there that carries the assumption that the people being addressed are "less than". El_Johns Dec 2013 #10
Hmm ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #13
How do you know it was a white person asking the question? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #16
When people ask me stupid questions about my severely handicapped sibling, I just find that El_Johns Dec 2013 #19
I used to do that JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #27
To each his (or her) own. El_Johns Dec 2013 #37
And really, the pictures give no context Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #15
I heard a guy serious believed that this was the reason Asian drivers ... kwassa Dec 2013 #45
On the other hand Bonobo Dec 2013 #53
Not so much "not seeing people as black", Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #63
More as seeing a fellow human being as a fellow human being. N/T ballabosh Dec 2013 #67
Even though I'm white, Lunacee_2013 Dec 2013 #4
A sweet young thing from the south asked me "But what IS he?" about a fellow nurse Warpy Dec 2013 #5
Ha, I live in the south Lunacee_2013 Dec 2013 #64
I find it interesting, if problematic, that it is simultaneously racist to ignore someone's... Shandris Dec 2013 #6
I thnk it is as simple as Skidmore Dec 2013 #7
ttt Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #8
"Where are you really from?" redqueen Dec 2013 #9
K&R. As a white person, I can kind of relate to what each of these bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #11
Excellent! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #12
. Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #14
Not one picture with a white person with a sign saying The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #17
How do you know the people, referred to in the signs, are white? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #18
I don't "know" know, but I'd say it's pretty clear where it's coming from The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #20
A "white mindset"...what IS a "white mindset" and Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #21
First thing, I'm pretty sure we're in agreement in this thread The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #24
That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #25
Your concern is noted. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #26
What "concern"? I find it hilarious Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #31
Um, yeah. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #32
Were they now? And how could you pretend to know this? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #34
Not interested in your little games. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #41
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #42
They are actual things they've been asked/told gollygee Dec 2013 #29
How do you know? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #36
The project was to show examples of microaggressions people have experienced gollygee Dec 2013 #39
Well, for one, I doubt any adult would ask a grown Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #44
So you think they're lying gollygee Dec 2013 #47
Ahhh, so they were subconsciously being racist Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #49
You don't think people can be subconsciously racist? gollygee Dec 2013 #51
Racists are dumb, that doesn't make every dumb person a racist Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #54
That proves that there are some pretty treestar Dec 2013 #22
Or some overly sensitive college kids Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #23
I don't see any "aggression" at all... GladRagDahl Dec 2013 #28
Wow. People at DU don't understand and/or believe in the concept of microaggressions gollygee Dec 2013 #30
Dumbing down racism to acts of dumbassery Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #33
You must not have seen the "micro" at the front of aggressions gollygee Dec 2013 #35
Overly sensitive Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #38
That's your opinion gollygee Dec 2013 #40
If you get offended because some dummy Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #43
Again, these are MICRO aggressions gollygee Dec 2013 #46
Do they now? And it's now an aggressive act Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #50
These are Americans gollygee Dec 2013 #52
So it's racist to not know japanese is spoken in japan? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #55
To go up to an American you know is of Asian decent gollygee Dec 2013 #57
How do you know that happened from the sign? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #58
Tell me, what do you assume happened? gollygee Dec 2013 #59
I don't know if she's an American or Canadian Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #60
Well she certainly doesn't look Japanese gollygee Dec 2013 #61
Neither does my sister in law but she is Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #62
I partially agree with you and partially don't. kwassa Dec 2013 #56
overly sensitive?who are you to decide. what you are doing is giving us an example of microagression seabeyond Dec 2013 #66
And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #69
Thank You !!! - And For You... WillyT Dec 2013 #48
I'm white. I live in the USA.... Jasana Dec 2013 #65
That's just wrong. Your culture is just as worth celebrating as anyone else's. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #68

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
1. The trick is to treat everyone the same, regardless of their race.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:22 AM
Dec 2013

Then you won't say any of that stuff.

(Yes, I know, this is a somewhat politically incorrect stance to take these days. But if I am banned for expressing such a controversial view, so be it....)

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
2. First nobody is going to ban you
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:28 AM
Dec 2013

Second these are real experiences of people of color. If "nobody was saying any if that stuff" it wouldn't be there. I think racism is a social disease that needs acknowledging and combatting.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
10. +1. Nothing there that carries the assumption that the people being addressed are "less than".
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 03:06 PM
Dec 2013

Nothing there that carries any threat. Nothing there that couldn't be addressed with polite education, e.g. "My family has lived in the US for generations, so we speak English, not Spanish."

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
13. Hmm
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:51 PM
Dec 2013

Be sure and let people of color know they owe white folk answers to ignorant racist questions. Let me know how that works out for you.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
16. How do you know it was a white person asking the question?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:22 PM
Dec 2013

I have plenty of friends, with Hispanic surnames that were born here and don't speak Spanish, they're constantly asked by other Hispanics if they habla the S Pan Yol

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
19. When people ask me stupid questions about my severely handicapped sibling, I just find that
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:29 PM
Dec 2013

polite education pays off better than anger, rudeness & outrage.

Not everyone who asks a stupid question is prejudiced or has ill-will.

I ask stupid questions myself, because I tend to blurt things out or have my mind go blank when I'm stressed.

I just find that where there's room for doubt about people's intentions, usually better to assume the best unless you're in danger.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
15. And really, the pictures give no context
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:19 PM
Dec 2013

I hardly believe an adult asked an Asian woman about her eyesight. Some of the stuff is too cliche to be real

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
45. I heard a guy serious believed that this was the reason Asian drivers ...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:46 PM
Dec 2013

were such bad drivers in LA. He thought they had no peripheral vision because of their eyelids.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
53. On the other hand
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:53 PM
Dec 2013

Denying people's identities is not the way to go.

"I don't see you as black" is, for example, denying someone their reality, their identity.

So, no. "Color blindness" ain't the way to go either.

I sort of hagte the term "micro aggressions"...It's as if, getting rid of "macro aggressions", someone felt the need to invent this concept to keep it going. I know that isn't ENTIRELY accurate, and yet I can't help but feel that it is PART of what some people do.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
63. Not so much "not seeing people as black",
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:10 AM
Dec 2013

more "seeing people as whatever they are, but not treating them any differently because of it".

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
4. Even though I'm white,
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:56 AM
Dec 2013

I've actually gotten the whole "no, where are you really from?" line of questioning. Apparently I have just enough Native American blood in me to make me turn really tan in the summer, which means when I say I'm from here (America) I really am from here. But sometimes other white people assume I'm of a different race and sometimes get a little argumentative when I tell them that I was born here. But however bad I might get it, my little sister gets it worse. She gets really tan too and her face is a little bit more narrow than mine, which somehow makes her look Middle Eastern, at least to some people. So you can probably just imagine some of the shit she's gotten. And the crazy thing is we're mostly German-Irish!

And the one about not seeing as well as white people? Jesus *everyone* should know that's racist.

Warpy

(111,240 posts)
5. A sweet young thing from the south asked me "But what IS he?" about a fellow nurse
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 02:27 AM
Dec 2013

Well, I'd never considered the subject beyond knowing he was a very bright and caring fellow nurse, so I just reminded her it was NM, "who the hell knows or cares what anybody is out here?"

She looked shocked so I think it worked. At least she wasn't tacky enough to ask him. It was just vaguely insulting that she picked me out as someone who gave a shit.

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
64. Ha, I live in the south
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:11 AM
Dec 2013

so I can totally see that conversation happening. When my sister worked at wal-mart customers would constantly ask her what she was, then try to start a debate with her when she told them. Hell, even I've had some trouble convincing other white people that I'm white. And I don't mind people asking, I just wish they wouldn't try to argue with me about it.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
6. I find it interesting, if problematic, that it is simultaneously racist to ignore someone's...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:27 AM
Dec 2013

...culture, and racist to ask them what their culture is if you're not certain.

Seems an odd way to 'combat' 'racism'.

Edit: For clarity, it should be noted that some of those are outright offensive (especially the one about seeing because of her eyes). Of course, it should be obvious which ones I'm referring to as problematic.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
7. I thnk it is as simple as
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:35 AM
Dec 2013

treating others with respect. You can always get to know a person without making a judgment based upon their appearances and your assumptions based upon what you see. That would mean having a respectful conversation and many people do not seem interested so much in investing these days.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
9. "Where are you really from?"
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 02:37 PM
Dec 2013
He's like, 'Hey, man, where are you from?' So I told him, 'I'm from Queens, New York.' And then he's like, 'No, I mean where are you really from?' Which, for those of you who don't know, that's code for, 'No, I mean, why aren't you white?'

See Hari Kondabolu Tell it
http://www.comedycentral.com/jokes/nbvksj/stand-up-hari-kondabolu--hari-kondabolu--where-are-you-from-

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
11. K&R. As a white person, I can kind of relate to what each of these
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 03:11 PM
Dec 2013

people deals with in terms of perceptions, as I've heard "You don't look Jewish" more than once in my life!

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
17. Not one picture with a white person with a sign saying
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:59 PM
Dec 2013

"No, I'm not ignorant"

That's a shame. If you don't point those kinds of things out, people might start to think all white people are the same. Put these quotes up on a picture and a caricature of white people starts to form. Just walking around dumb all day.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
18. How do you know the people, referred to in the signs, are white?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:34 PM
Dec 2013

Are we to assume ignorance and moronic activity is the sole property of chez whitey?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
20. I don't "know" know, but I'd say it's pretty clear where it's coming from
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:35 PM
Dec 2013

If the people referred to in the signs aren't white, then at the very least it's referring to a, say, white mindset. Because yes, from that particular group of pictures, I think we are to assume ignorance and moronic activity is the sole property of chez whitey. Like I said, there are no white males in any of those pictures. Any potential white females in those pictures have something about being biracial on the signs. The pictures highlight the every day racism against people of different backgrounds...except for that one background. The one with the racists in it.

All the signs are vague enough(although a few specify white people being referred to) that you can imagine anyone saying it. But, I'd say, the context of the whole thing has a certain message to it.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
21. A "white mindset"...what IS a "white mindset" and
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:40 PM
Dec 2013

How does it differ from general dumbassery that's found in all races, ethnic groups and cultures?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
24. First thing, I'm pretty sure we're in agreement in this thread
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:10 PM
Dec 2013

Yes, the white mindset that is general dumbassery. White people are boorish idiots who don't understand anything that isn't white. I think it's obvious from that group of pictures that that's the message. You don't see a picture of a white person with a sign saying "I'm not a boorish idiot who doesn't understand anything that isn't white", probably for a reason. That reason being, white people are boorish idiots who don't understand anything that isn't white, and prove it every day if these signs are accurate.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
25. That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:16 PM
Dec 2013

Right up there with blacks and Mexicans are lazy freeloaders.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
31. What "concern"? I find it hilarious
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:29 PM
Dec 2013

When a person tries to paint an entire race of people with a behavior, pretending it is exclusive to that race.

I know black men who only date light skinned women and have told darker black women that they are "cute for a dark skinned girl"

Are they racist?

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
34. Were they now? And how could you pretend to know this?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

If one has a preference for red haired women, were they brought up that way?

Response to truebluegreen (Reply #41)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
29. They are actual things they've been asked/told
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:28 PM
Dec 2013

They are examples of actual interactions. They aren't made up.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
39. The project was to show examples of microaggressions people have experienced
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
Dec 2013

That's what the whole point of it is. You assume they're lying?

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
44. Well, for one, I doubt any adult would ask a grown
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:45 PM
Dec 2013

Asian woman if she could see as well as a white person unless they had never met an Asian person in their lifetime

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
49. Ahhh, so they were subconsciously being racist
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:49 PM
Dec 2013

And not just dumb?

When people have to look for racism, they must never have experienced the real thing

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
51. You don't think people can be subconsciously racist?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:51 PM
Dec 2013

And you also don't think people can be racist AND dumb? You look to me to be an expert on managing both at the same time.

Enjoy your stay.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
54. Racists are dumb, that doesn't make every dumb person a racist
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:54 PM
Dec 2013

There are people with no common sense and even more that say things that sound stupid even though they were truly inquisitive...that doesn't make them racist not even subconsciously

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
23. Or some overly sensitive college kids
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:05 PM
Dec 2013

Who think being asked their ethnic or racial background is racist.

 

GladRagDahl

(237 posts)
28. I don't see any "aggression" at all...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:27 PM
Dec 2013

just stupidity. One is never going to be able to totally insulate themselves from perceived insults of this type. People say stupid things. Educate them and move on.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
35. You must not have seen the "micro" at the front of aggressions
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

these are small things that add up when they happen over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
43. If you get offended because some dummy
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:44 PM
Dec 2013

Doesn't know Japanese is spoken in Japan then you're looking for something to be offended by.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
46. Again, these are MICRO aggressions
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:46 PM
Dec 2013

Asian people get asked these kinds of stupid questions regularly - all the time. Yeah, no big deal if it happens once, or a few times, or several times. But they are asked this over and over and over again. If you were asked a stupid question over and over and over and over again, at some point you'd start to get annoyed.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
50. Do they now? And it's now an aggressive act
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:51 PM
Dec 2013

To be ignorant of the languages spoken in the countries of the world?

Ignorance isn't aggression

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
52. These are Americans
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:53 PM
Dec 2013

It's racist to assume they speak whatever language. No one asks me to read French or German for them. No one assumes I can. And no one assumes I can read Swedish because they can't tell the difference between a person of Swedish descent and a person of French/German descent.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
55. So it's racist to not know japanese is spoken in japan?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:57 PM
Dec 2013

This is utterly ridiculous.

There are a couple signs that are overt examples of racism...the China Doll would be racist

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
57. To go up to an American you know is of Asian decent
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

but you can't tell what Asian country her family comes from

And assume

1. She's Japanese - or that all Asian people know Japanese

2. She would know a foreign language because her ancestors are Japanese any more than I would know a foreign language because my ancestors are French and German

is racist. Asians get treated like they are foreigners - even Asians whose families have been here for generations. That is racist.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
59. Tell me, what do you assume happened?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:03 PM
Dec 2013

You are assuming she isn't American, right? That's just what the sign is getting at.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
60. I don't know if she's an American or Canadian
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:06 PM
Dec 2013

Or native born from another country from looking at a picture.
I don't know that the red haired girl isn't from Ireland either.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
61. Well she certainly doesn't look Japanese
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:16 PM
Dec 2013

and you had some assumptions. Everything you've said here shows them. These are American students form Fordham University in NYC.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
62. Neither does my sister in law but she is
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:19 PM
Dec 2013

I have assumptions when I see cliches on signs from a bunch of kids who have to invent acts of "racism"

If you've experienced REAL racism, you don't need to invent it

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
56. I partially agree with you and partially don't.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

Having lived in extremely multicultural environments, like now, where there are 90 different nations in the local elementary schools, I assume nothing anymore. I know I know nothing about the stranger in front of me merely by the appearance.

There are indeed dumb asses in every ethnicity. I've heard people of different ethnicities ask stupid questions about each other. I've heard dumber questions than the ones in the OP. By adults.

At the same time, there is an assumptions about non-whites that are quite irritating to those who don't conveniently fit in the preconceived categories of white people. Not all, but many white people do this. And some of this is ignorance, and some of the ignorance, a subset, is racist in nature. Some is not.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
66. overly sensitive?who are you to decide. what you are doing is giving us an example of microagression
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:45 AM
Dec 2013

over and over and over in this thread, to where it builds up to such an extent to present yourself as a racist. i think it is interesting how your participation on this thread has given me the example so i can exactly understand what these people are expressing.

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
69. And the jury results are in...
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:32 AM
Dec 2013

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Jasana

(490 posts)
65. I'm white. I live in the USA....
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:29 AM
Dec 2013

and I'll admit I'm privileged as hell here but I often wonder...

Why doesn't anybody ask me what kind of white person I am? They don't bother. They just throw me into the classification of white when, in fact, I am Scottish, Irish, English, French, German, and Dutch. (Canadian too if that counts.) That's a lot of different tribes there. That's a lot of different culture but it all gets thrown under the classification of "white." You know that's just like insisting a Japanese person is Chinese just because they're Asian. Can I roll my eyes now?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
68. That's just wrong. Your culture is just as worth celebrating as anyone else's.
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:18 AM
Dec 2013

The Irish, Italians and all the other European ethnicities have wonderful and rich cultures and traditions, and it is offensive that people ignore this significant part of you.

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