________________REDACTED_________________

[Warren Stupidity]

In memoriam to the dead, in opposition to our lethal gun culture.

[NuclearDem]

1. K&R yet again.

[kcr]

2. ....

[ismnotwasm]

3. K&R

[mike_c]

4. rec'd....

[countryjake]

5. ...

[BainsBane]

6. You survived a jury, 0-6.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Did I insult somebody?

[pintobean]

8. 26

[Electric Monk]

26. Were you the alerter?

[pintobean]

44. no

but this is no way to remember the 26. This is nothing more than a personal agenda. It's a hell of a way for a GD host to act.

[Warren Stupidity]

124. Indeed, linking a GUN MASSACRE to GUN CULTURE is just bad form.

Especially for a host.

Or something.

And such.

[pintobean]

126. The exception is back

Have fun.

[malaise]

9. Not according to the jurists

K & R for truth

[edhopper]

10. Someone thought you are dwelling too much on Newtown

I guess.
Everyone else thought otherwise.

[Duckhunter935]

27. I disagree

many threads on Newtown and I have not seen any locked. They all seem to be respectful. The issue becomes when the OP starts it out about being guns knowing full well that the exception in GD has been closed and GUN threads should be in two locations. One in particular is suited as it is a safe zone and a number are even banned for posting a single post. In the other one there is great open debate.

Back to what this should be about, I do mourn the loss of those 26 souls.

[Iggo]

38. Never mind.

Got it.

[BainsBane]

11. Here

At Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:27 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

________________REDACTED_________________
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024177270

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This is the third thread he has posted. Poster has gone over the deep end. If he really cared about Newtown, he would post about Newtown. He is a GD host pushing the limits and needs to be sent up to skinner. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:33 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Give me a break. Every right-wing zealot on this site is using the jury system to pursue their reactionary agendas. Now they want to censor thought crime.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Actually, I'd vote to recommend the OP.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There is nothing wrong with this post
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[kcr]

13. Juror number 2 spot on

They're trying to shut the conversation down. They don't want anyone reminded of the violence and deaths. It's an inconvenient fact, they view it as collateral damage, but it hurts their cause to have everyone reminded.

[BainsBane]

16. I'd identify that juror

except I might get another hide if I did.

[In_The_Wind]

143. !

I think we can guess who #2 might be.

[gollygee]

29. The alert system is being misused lately

although it didn't work in this case, and this alert system abuser is down for 24 hours.

[canuckledragger]

12. I think you hurt

some gun's feelings.

[brer cat]

14. lol

[BainsBane]

35. guns have very delicate feelings

far more so than gun shut victims.

[BainsBane]

17. You harbored bad thoughts about the precious

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

147. Pretty darn good analogy. I never made this connection when Stephen Colbert

call his gun Precious.

[madinmaryland]

70. ...

Delicate Flowers. nt

[brer cat]

15. Can't be said enough.

K&R

[grantcart]

18. It appears that the word "gun" is a problem.

I suggest "a device with a trigger releasing a spring-loaded hammer hitting a primer, exploding the primer, igniting the propellant driving a projectile through the barrel into a homosapien with fatal results".

That would refer to all such instruments and not unfairly pick on the gun and those that have a fetish for that particular device.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Discuss Newtown, just don't mention *redacted*.

Interesting position for an allegedly progressive message board.

[grantcart]

24. In order to survive this group of GD overlords I suggest you edit to

"lethal *redacted* culture".

[Warren Stupidity]

25. I suppose that will be my next attempt.

[Duckhunter935]

30. or maybe even

put it in the correct area and you will not have to redact anything. Mods are just doing their job and I really appreciate that, they deserve a big thank you.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. The correct area to discuss Newtown is right here in GD.

[Duckhunter935]

33. Newtown yes, GUNZ no

as you have been told multiple times

[99Forever]

53. But of course!

Since clearly, GUNZ had nothing to do with the massacre of those innocent children and teachers.

[Duckhunter935]

56. did the OP say anything about Newtown?

Or was it just about GUNZ, locked twice then replaced with REDACTED. If this was about Newtown maybe he would think to mention it.

[niyad]

127. you do know what day this is, yes?

[Lizzie Poppet]

57. No one's making any such claim.

The sole objection to this broken-record nonsense is that it's blatantly against the forum's SOP. If they're going to bother to have rules, then those rules need to be enforced (even-handedly, I might add). This stuff should be posted in the two groups specifically designated for gun control discussions.

If there are to be exceptions to the SOP, they're Skinner's call, not Warren Stupidity's.

[Duckhunter935]

61. "you can lead a horse to water"

[99Forever]

63. Anything to quiet the talk about your favorite fetish, eh Lizzie?

And it lethal results.

[Duckhunter935]

65. post ALL you want

no one is talking about quieting anything. Just FOLLOW the RULES and post where it belongs, geeeez

[Lizzie Poppet]

85. This is obviously pointless, Duck.

I have to go give a singing lesson to a pig...a somewhat better use of my time.

[Electric Monk]

69. But, but, but! Adam Lanza could've just as easily used a rope, or a knife, or a swimming pool...

You get it.

[neverforget]

117. If it wasn't for the murder weapon, we wouldn't be discussing Newtown.

[Lizzie Poppet]

45. Obviously.

Inane comments about "gun culture?" Not so much. Take it to the Gungeon or Castle Bansalot.

[BainsBane]

48. translation

the area where no one will see it so certain folk can pretend guns do no harm.

There is an exception for the anniversary of Sandy Hook, per Skinner's comments in ATA.

[Duckhunter935]

52. No exception

just asked the mods to use leeway for relevant posts.

the OPs post have not been relevant to Sandy Hook and are just generic gun threads. I think the mods have been correct.

[BainsBane]

55. "in memoriam of the dead"

Clear enough for you?

[Duckhunter935]

59. very clear

care to post on mine?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024176993

I mourn all dead

[BainsBane]

68. Why is yours okay and this one not?

Seems a might contradictory to me.

[Duckhunter935]

75. I am sorry you do not get it

most of the comments reference the other two threads that were locked. Mine does not specifically mention GUNS per the RULES in GD. It is a solemn thread about mourning all deaths that happened during the year including Sandy Hook and the other thousands that also were killed way too young. It would be just fine if it was only Sandy Hook but I also mourn for the other families.

It seems RULES matter

[BainsBane]

77. Oh, so it pretends they died via spontaneous combustion

Rather than truthfully stating that someone with unfettered access to assault guns slaughtered them. i recall lots of talk about evading the laws of Colorado. I also recall lots of talk about gun owners having no responsibility to abide by any law they didn't like, and the rest of us better watch and not pass assault gun bans or our lives would be at risk from angry gun owners. Evidently the rules that matter most are ones that suppress speech rather than saving lives. Gotcha.

[Duckhunter935]

82. no one is supressing speach

If this thread was about Newtown and mentioned guns it probably would still be fine. The OP started TWO threads with the title being guns in GD and that is against the rules. I do not agree with gun owners not following the laws and I have said that many times. I just believe those laws make no difference and the would not have in Newtown either.

POST ALL you want wherever you want but it very well may locked as being off topic. Try posting a baseball thread in the football forum. Gun threads now belong the the proper forums per Skinners guidelines. Have a problem take it up with him. POST ALL of the GUN threads you want, nobody is stopping you.

[Duckhunter935]

76. this one is

following the rules and that is why it is still up I assume

[BainsBane]

78. That's a fast 360

[Duckhunter935]

83. I drive a smart car

can turn very quick

[grantcart]

97. We don't have mods. We have hosts.

Ironically the OP is also a host of this Forum.

In his absence I would like to accept your appreciation and thank you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002

If you really believe that a discussion about the events of Sandy Hook doesn't also include a discussion about how we should have better control over the availability of guns in our society I have to observations:

I would like for you to make that comment to the parents of the children who now have to spend the rest of their lives in a living hell because of our 'redact' culture.

If your 'redact' fetish is so overwhelming that you cannot join with the other civilized people around the world about the availability of 'redacted' then how about we have a more general discussion about limiting "a device with a trigger releasing a spring-loaded hammer hitting a primer, exploding the primer, igniting the propellant driving a projectile through the barrel into a homosapien with fatal results".

[Duckhunter935]

100. my bad "hosts"

Just put the threads in the proper forum, two are available. As far as my beliefs, I have stated them many times in the proper forum that I can still post to as I was banned and censored after one post in the "safe" zone.

[grantcart]

102. If you don't think that having a full discussion about Sandy Hook on its anniversary doesn't belong

in General Discussion then you are the one that doesn't understand "proper forums".

BTW all of your kicks to this thread have kept it at the top of GD and added about 40 Recs to it and insured that it will be on the top of the list for the next several hours.

For that I return the thanks that you gave WS to which I accepted on his behalf.

Very clever of you to pretend that you are against the sentiments of the thread but work so hard to help it achieve its success.

[MADem]

101. When the POTUS lights 26 candles at the WH over this issue, it is Big News and qualifies for the GD

exception, IMO.

[MADem]

98. We don't have mods. We have hosts, and they only enforce SOP.

Newtown and the anniversary of that slaughter qualify as Big News no matter what words are (or are not) used.

Here's the guidance:

General Discussion (Forum): About This Forum

Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

[grantcart]

104. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12594363

[canuckledragger]

37. it's the hidden right-wing trolls

and disruptors doing damage control.

There's been quite a bit of false alerts going around trying to censor any negative 'gun' posts.

[Duckhunter935]

43. we are just following the RULES

Skinner removed the exception about guns in GD and a few around here are testing the waters and the resolve of the Mods since castle bansalot does not seem to be doing to well.

[Lizzie Poppet]

51. "False alerts?"

Gun threads in GD are violations of this forum's SOP, as clearly stated in the pinned post at the top. The previous exception (which was among the worst ideas the admins ever had) has been removed. Nothing "false" about alerting on these.

[BainsBane]

62. and other thoughts that question privilege

just sayin. [url=http://www.smiley-faces.org][img][/img][/url]

[Duckhunter935]

50. Take it up with Skinner

Statement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum:

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.


Status of "big news" exceptions:

There are currently no special exceptions.

[blackspade]

19. K&R

[Little Star]

20. In solidarity...

[Aristus]

21. ...

...

[demmiblue]

23. Heh!

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Exactly. Don't mention the AR-15 elephant in the room.

K&R

[Duckhunter935]

32. sure you can

just put it in the correct forum area.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Guess you don't like the thread, huh.

[Duckhunter935]

40. I have no problem with the thread

I love the discussion, I would like to see people follow the rules of GD. Put the GUN threads were they belong. I have one in GD in memoriam of the dead and all Warren Stupidity can do is post some snarky remark about guns.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. The thread's fine. Its location isn't.

And reposting it multiple times after the previous ones were locked can't really be seen as anything but trolling for the ol' banhammer...

[lastlib]

154. can we mention getting rid of "industrial-strength killing machines"?

If so, I would support getting rid of "industrial-strength killing machines".

If not, I didn't say a word.....

[cantbeserious]

36. Kick & Recommend

eom

[n2doc]

39. I guess we will be allowed to post such things after the next mass murder

but not before.

[BainsBane]

46. There are mass murders by gun all the time

It takes the slaughter of dozens of children for anyone to notice.

[n2doc]

47. True. I should have said horrific mass murder involving middle class or rich people. n/t

[BainsBane]

49. closer, yep.

[Duckhunter935]

54. They can be posted anytime

just in the correct forum per the rules. Ask Skinner to open GD back to guns, I doubt it will happen. But no one is preventing any post in the correct forum.

[eggplant]

42. On this day of rememberance for Sandy Hook one year ago,

let's also remember the shooting at Simon's Rock College twenty years (to the day) before Sandy Hook.

[malokvale77]

58. Yes

Though they would have us silenced.

[Duckhunter935]

60. how? nt

[Warren Stupidity]

64. you're the number one poster in this thread!

thanks!

[Duckhunter935]

66. no problem

I really like your snarky answer in mine, very solemn.

[malokvale77]

72. Couldn't have said it better. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

87. It clarified how they died.

[malokvale77]

93. How do you talk about Newtown...

without talking about ---redacted---?

Thank you W S.

[DLevine]

67. K&R. nt

[madinmaryland]

71. K&R!!

[xchrom]

73. du rec.

[billh58]

74. K&R

as many times as it takes to get the message out there. Just say no to the right-wing enabled NRA gun culture in this country, and pass sane legislation to curtail the gun violence.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

79. K&R for Sandy Hook and

all those murdered before and after

[etherealtruth]

80. I kicked and rec'd a post like this at 9:30 this morning

It was more honest and I liked it a lot better

[Warren Stupidity]

84. I know.

[billh58]

91. Thanks for the

perseverance and truth, and kick and rec again.

[billh58]

81. K&R Again

Just to keep this thread going...

[mountain grammy]

86. K & R for truth.

[spanone]

88. k&r...

[Fumesucker]

89. K&R

[99Forever]

90. K&R

[Jack Rabbit]

92. ()

[Bjorn Against]

94. K&R

Time to permanently lift the gun ban in GD, it is very clear that the most vocal supporters of the ban are on one side of the issue and they are not on the progressive side.

[billh58]

120. They are not even on

the Democratic side of the issue. They parrot the right-wing verbatim.

[Zenlitened]

95. K&R

Gun culture is precisely what led to the deaths of 20 children and six adults at Newtown Elementary one year ago.

RIP.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

96. .

.

[Warren Stupidity]

99. I think we should be permitting discussion of guns right now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12594363

[11 Bravo]

152. SHHHHH! You mean a discussion of "6UN5".

[Duckhunter935]

103. you can put the original name back up

Skinner made a call and it should not be locked

[Warren Stupidity]

105. no thanks.

This thread is now also a record of the determination of our DU gun enthusiasts to purge all discussion of our lethal gun culture from the large forums.

[canuckledragger]

134. +1

[FailureToCommunicate]

146. +1 !

[Warren Stupidity]

106. FYI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024176875
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175820

[Number23]

107. I'm still not sure that I understand

What does 6UN2 mean?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

108. Warren Stupidity is waging a war on stupidity. Does that clear things up for you? n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

109. !

[Number23]

113. Are you not interested in answering my question? Are you offended that not everyone gets

whatever you're trying to do here?

[Warren Stupidity]

122. I posted a very brief post about Newtown this morning.

The link is up above. It was locked with the following message:

Locking - This thread does not meet the SOP for GD.

Please repost this in a gun forum, or repost it a specific memorial post sans title "Gunz".

I reposted the exact same message with the title 6UN2.

That was locked again with the wildly informative message " Locked".

I guessed that 6UN2 was too close to the forbidden word so I reposted this thread using the title REDACTED.

It seems that this all caused a major upset in the hosts forum. Not my intention. I was told in the first lock message to remove the letters Gunz, I did that. I did it again. I would have kept doing it all day. I will not behave over this issue.

I think it is beyond idiotic that on the anniversary of this horrendous GUN MASSACRE the gd hosts were determined to lock up all mention of GUNS.

[Number23]

123. Thanks for the explanation. And I agree completetely

I didn't see the previous links that you mentioned.

[MannyGoldstein]

148. Go get 'em

This is important, super important, should not be locked down.

Thanks.

[Number23]

111. Actually no it doesn't. Not even a little bit.

But perhaps instead of stepping in for some reason, you'll allow the OP to answer for her/himself.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

112. THAT's just the thing...you really don't get it, do you? The OP CAN'T answer you. n/t

[Number23]

114. Well I know that ChisolmTrail can't answer anything for me. And yet, feels compelled to keep trying

for reasons that are known only to him.

Why don't you find someone to fight with who knows or cares about you? Helpful hint: That person would NOT be me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

115. Who's fighting? LOL! The OP really cannot answer your question without breaking the rules!

Indeed, the OP itself is a protest that could get that member banned from this forum.

Lighten up, Francis.

[Number23]

118. Didn't realize a thread in GD was so top secret, hush hush

My interest in whatever this is at 0% now anyway so carry on.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

119. PHUCK! 6UN2 = GUNZ ... damn... SMDH! n/t

[Number23]

121. But you're not fighting... right?

You and the OP carry on. Since he's too busy to answer a question (but can find time to high five needless snark) you guys carry on. Sorry to have interrupted by having the unmitigated audacity to ask a fucking question.

Since I've got no intention on recing after all of this, there's no need to keep kicking. Done here.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

125. No, I'm not fighting. But you are, lol. I actually think the whole paradigm around guns and GD

is ridiculous all the way around.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

116. Ok, ok, ok...you REALLY don't get it. Here is your answer, before you put me on ignore out of

spite:

6UN2 = GUNZ!!!

[WillyT]

110. Yeah... We Can't Talk About Guns On The Anniversary Of Newtown...

[niyad]

128. or the day after arapahoe high school

[Duckhunter935]

131. yep

even in GD now but you always could in the two forums that guns belong in. Some just do not understand I guess.

Guns go here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172

PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON

Guns go here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON

Open everyday all day, GD had a limit until Skinner put the exception back in late this afternoon. Guns can ALWAYS be discussed.

[niyad]

133. arapahoe happened YESTERDAY. as in, NEWS.

[Duckhunter935]

137. yep

[Duckhunter935]

130. yes you can

even in GD now but you always could in the two forums that guns belong in. Some just do not understand I guess.

Guns go here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172

PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON

Guns go here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON

Open everyday all day, GD had a limit until Skinner put the exception back in late this afternoon. Guns can ALWAYS be discussed.

[niyad]

135. last I checked, memorials were allowed in gd.

[Duckhunter935]

138. always have been I believe

but some were just pure gun threads that were specifically forbidden in the GD rules until the exception was put in this afternoon. I had a memorial thread in GD this morning and had no problems with it being locked. The same with most of the Sandy Hook threads.

[niyad]

140. goddess forfend that we should mention how the people we are remembering died, right?

[Duckhunter935]

141. I do not even think that was an issue

It is when the thread goes from a memorial to a thread on gun control advocating gun control positions. Some were really pushing their agenda.

[niyad]

129. . . . .

[TBF]

132. Thank you for trying -

despite the NRA shills and net nannies out there (and sometimes they are one and the same) ... I think many more of us hear you and we agree.

[billh58]

144. +100

More and more every day...

[XRubicon]

136. KnR

[bench scientist]

139. K&R

[nikto]

142. In the zombie Apocalypse...

Guns will not be essential.







?fit=1024%2C1024





These other alternatives will get the job done.











psst...
They're quieter too.

[cry baby]

145. Despite the micro managers, you carry on...and I thank you for your persistence!

Keep on keepin' on, WS!

[Warren Stupidity]

153. I stayed out of the host discussion on my posts.

But I find it fascinating that the operative theory with some of the hosts is that my post was "whining about du". There is no mention of du. There is no mention of anyone here, nor of any faction here. Apparently following the instructions given to me in a lock message to repost the thread with a different title was deliberately provocative, and as strongly implied by several hosts, reason for me to be tossed from du.

Everyone should volunteer to host gd. It is a learning experience.

[defacto7]

149. kick!

[pscot]

150. K&R

[Iggo]

151. Kicked.

[Barack_America]

155. K&R. Seriously, the anniversary of 2 dozen slaughtered and we can't talk about it?

In GD. What.the.fuck.?

Makes you wonder what the incentive would be for a democratic website to stifle such conversation.

I'm thinking I'll continue dealing with the ads until the policy is revisited.

[Warren Stupidity]

157. There seems to be some theory that "contentious" posts should be discouraged.

It is a fascinating theory for a political message board.

[Hekate]

156. KnR. Interesting subthread(s) too. As for "the Precious"....

.... Thanks to the poster who made the Stephen Colbert reference ... I hope that someday we can throw the 2nd Amendment in the volcano and stop tossing in human sacrifices Every. Single. Day.

Because that is what these gun deaths are: human sacrifices to an insane god who demands our blood and above all our fear.

[billh58]

158. +100

Well said...