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BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:37 PM Dec 2013

At Least 194 Children Have Been Shot to Death Since Newtown

This is your country on guns.





You've heard this story before, the one that played out again the week of Thanksgiving—this time in Lakeland, Florida—where 2-year-old Taj Ayesh got his little hands on his father's loaded pistol, pulled the trigger, and crumpled to the ground. You may have heard about 9-year-old Daniel Wiley, who was playing outside his house in Harrisburg, Texas, when a 13-year-old mishandled an unsecured shotgun, blasting Wiley in the face. You may also have heard about 2-year-old Camryn Shultz of Forty Fort, Pennsylvania, whose embittered father put a bullet in her head before turning the gun on himself. Maybe you didn't hear about the case in which a child shot others and then committed suicide, but that also happened this year. Twice.

A year after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Mother Jones has analyzed the subsequent deaths of 194 children ages 12 and under who were reported in news accounts to have died in gun accidents, homicides, and suicides. They are spread across 43 states, from inner cities to tiny rural towns.


Following Sandy Hook, the National Rifle Association and its allies argued that arming more adults is the solution to protecting children, be it from deranged mass shooters or from home invaders. But the data we collected stands as a stark rejoinder to that view:

127 of the children died from gunshots in their own homes, while dozens more died in the homes of friends, neighbors, and relatives.
72 of the young victims either pulled the trigger themselves or were shot dead by another kid.
In those 72 cases, only 4 adults have been held criminally liable.
At least 52 deaths involved a child handling a gun left unsecured.
Additional findings include:

60 children died at the hands of their own parents, 50 of them in homicides.
The average age of the victims was 6 years old.
More than two-thirds of the victims were boys, as were more than three-quarters of the kids who pulled the trigger.
The problem was worst over the past year in the South, which saw at least 92 child gun deaths, followed by the Midwest (44), the West (38), and the East (20).
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/children-killed-guns-newtown-anniversary


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At Least 194 Children Have Been Shot to Death Since Newtown (Original Post) BainsBane Dec 2013 OP
Thing have not improved, except in CA, AFAIK. freshwest Dec 2013 #1
Actually it's gotten worse BainsBane Dec 2013 #2
Children & Stand your Ground laws seattledo Dec 2013 #13
What are you talking about? BainsBane Dec 2013 #14
sigh seattledo Dec 2013 #27
Gun owners have no respect for children? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #31
there have been teens killed, and the killers then invoked stand your ground BainsBane Dec 2013 #32
I think they've improved for gun manufacturers, and that's all that matters. valerief Dec 2013 #35
K&R 99Forever Dec 2013 #3
Get thee off to the Greatest Page! madinmaryland Dec 2013 #4
Thanks! BainsBane Dec 2013 #15
About a third of them murdered by their parents seveneyes Dec 2013 #5
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #6
One is too many davidpdx Dec 2013 #7
If it were up to me tblue Dec 2013 #8
Unfortunately, it's not up to us BainsBane Dec 2013 #12
you should start a new thread with this video napkinz Dec 2013 #36
K&R billh58 Dec 2013 #9
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #10
Recommended. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #11
Recommended, and shared. calimary Dec 2013 #16
Indeed BainsBane Dec 2013 #18
Recommended! countryjake Dec 2013 #17
The faces of Newtown BainsBane Dec 2013 #19
I think those who left guns where kids can get them should be held responsible in some way Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #20
Moar guns! Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #21
Really? BainsBane Dec 2013 #22
I've always felt that way. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #23
How does that go over? BainsBane Dec 2013 #24
Ugh. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #25
May I ask BainsBane Dec 2013 #38
Archaeology. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #40
That sounds interesting BainsBane Dec 2013 #48
I don't think so. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #49
True, but what will you do with an MA in Archaeology? BainsBane Dec 2013 #50
I'll be a Principal Investigator for archaeology firms somewhere in the region. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #51
Archaeology firms? BainsBane Dec 2013 #52
90% of the archaeology conducted in the US is cultural resource management archaeology. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #53
That sounds very interesting BainsBane Dec 2013 #55
They are. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #56
Possibly. BainsBane Dec 2013 #57
A very popular belief persists in the legitimacy of armed rebellion. Loudly Dec 2013 #26
K & R defacto7 Dec 2013 #28
In contrast matt819 Dec 2013 #29
Yes, far far fewer BainsBane Dec 2013 #30
Bubba's deadly hobby moondust Dec 2013 #33
And the fat coffers of the NRA BainsBane Dec 2013 #34
thank you for sharing napkinz Dec 2013 #37
That kind of common sense means Australia has saved lives BainsBane Dec 2013 #39
+100 billh58 Dec 2013 #41
Rachel Maddow comment ... napkinz Dec 2013 #42
I know. It's a basic reform yet so fiercely opposed BainsBane Dec 2013 #44
Colorado passed a law that is unenforceable hack89 Dec 2013 #45
when will the madness end! napkinz Dec 2013 #43
Deers can't, but cops, the ATF and FBI can BainsBane Dec 2013 #46
"Finish the Job" and Expand the Brady Law to Online and Gun Show Sales Now napkinz Dec 2013 #47
yep more Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #54
ask yourself why ... napkinz Dec 2013 #58
Those are murders BainsBane Dec 2013 #61
two new graphics posted by "Americans Against The Republican Party" napkinz Dec 2013 #59
Awesome! BainsBane Dec 2013 #60

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
2. Actually it's gotten worse
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:07 PM
Dec 2013

At will concealed carry has been expanded, as has Stand your Ground. It seems the gun lobby sees national tragedies like Newtown as an opportunity to expand their influence and of course increase profits for gun manufacturers.

 

seattledo

(295 posts)
13. Children & Stand your Ground laws
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 11:23 PM
Dec 2013

Is there any requirement in them to verify the age of the intended victim?

 

seattledo

(295 posts)
27. sigh
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 02:28 AM
Dec 2013

Obviously I'm talking about the people that decide to kill children because they think the stand your ground laws give them the right to kill anyone, anywhere. I know gun owners have no respect for children, but I was asking if the laws required them to.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
31. Gun owners have no respect for children?
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:21 PM
Dec 2013

Really? You really want to go there?
What kind of an idiot would claim that?

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
32. there have been teens killed, and the killers then invoked stand your ground
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:26 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:25 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't believe the age of the victim is a factor in the law per se. SYG changes the standard of self defense to make retreat, even when safe, unnecessary. A judge in a SYG hearing, however, would have to believe the shooter had a reasonable fear for his life, which likely becomes less convincing as the victim is younger. Whether pre-teens have been killed by shooters invoking SYG, I don't know. I seem to recall an unsuccessful case with a ten year old boy in Texas, but I'm not sure how that was ultimately resolved.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
35. I think they've improved for gun manufacturers, and that's all that matters.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 10:19 PM
Dec 2013

All non-ruling class ppl are expendable.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
5. About a third of them murdered by their parents
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:43 PM
Dec 2013

"60 children died at the hands of their own parents, 50 of them in homicides."

billh58

(6,635 posts)
9. K&R
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:28 PM
Dec 2013

Thanks for keeping the necessity for more stringent gun control measures on the front burner where it belongs. We have a long way to go, but we're off to a great start and the momentum will continue to grow as the American people become more aware of the right-wing NRA-enabled gun menace to our society.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
25. Ugh.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 01:57 AM
Dec 2013

Not so well.

I have a classmate who is a card-carrying NRA member and he and I get into it all the time. It's hard to be professional to him because he's a fellow grad student.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
49. I don't think so.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:18 PM
Dec 2013

In this field, a PhD will be pointless, unless one goes into academia. It's almost impossible to find a job in academia these days.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
51. I'll be a Principal Investigator for archaeology firms somewhere in the region.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:26 PM
Dec 2013

I guess wherever I can get a job.

I'll start applying to places at the end of February.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
53. 90% of the archaeology conducted in the US is cultural resource management archaeology.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:33 PM
Dec 2013

That means that if something like a cell phone tower, parking lot, highway, bridge expansion, highway being put down, whatever, will be put down in an area, by law an archaeology team will have to go to the site and investigate to see if there are any cultural resources (e.g. archaeological artifacts) at those sites and find ways to mitigate and protect the site, if possible. If that cannot be done, then all the cultural resources are collected and stored.

The cool archaeology that many people see on tv is academic archaeology. That's something I would love to do, but it requires a PhD. That'll be another six years of school and I'll almost be 40 by the time I'd get that done, if that's the path I chose to do. I still may choose to do that if I don't like cultural resources management.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
55. That sounds very interesting
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

Even if you got a PhD and a tenure track job, you'd need to get grants to fund digs, and those are highly competitive.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
57. Possibly.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:45 PM
Dec 2013

There are a lot of grants for junior faculty. The problem is digs are so costly that little of the available funding is adequate.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
26. A very popular belief persists in the legitimacy of armed rebellion.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 02:11 AM
Dec 2013

That is what keeps this insanity reigning supreme in this country.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
29. In contrast
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:10 PM
Dec 2013

How many children have been killed with guns in other countries in the developed world? My guess? Zero, or pretty close to it.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
30. Yes, far far fewer
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:18 PM
Dec 2013

Our homicide rate is much higher, so it follow that rates of children killed with guns would likewise be much lower in other developed nations.

moondust

(19,959 posts)
33. Bubba's deadly hobby
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:29 PM
Dec 2013

and the profits made off it are more important than your childrens' lives.

Just ask Congress.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
34. And the fat coffers of the NRA
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:26 PM
Dec 2013

funded by the gun industry to pay off pols to ensure the unfettered profits of the gun industry.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
39. That kind of common sense means Australia has saved lives
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:42 AM
Dec 2013

While in the US 32,000 people continue to die each other from guns, all because of the powerful, wealthy gun lobby and its backers.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
41. +100
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:57 AM
Dec 2013

The wealthy gun lobby and its backers are directly responsible for the growing epidemic of gun violence in this country. They use the Big Lie (Democrats will take your guns) very effectively as a ruse to pass insane laws which allow the proliferation of guns on our streets, and free-fire killing zones disguised as SYG, and "self-defense" vigilantism as based on the NRA-scripted alibi of the killer (see Zimmerman).

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
44. I know. It's a basic reform yet so fiercely opposed
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 04:03 PM
Dec 2013

Colorado passed it and the NRA has gone full loaded after the state legislators who supported it. All they care about is profits from guns. Death is just an opportunity for the gun lobby to profit.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
45. Colorado passed a law that is unenforceable
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 04:15 PM
Dec 2013

because they grandfathered in all existing magazines. Since magazines do not have serial numbers or date of manufacture stamps, it is impossible to tell a legal magazine from an illegal one.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
47. "Finish the Job" and Expand the Brady Law to Online and Gun Show Sales Now
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 07:23 PM
Dec 2013


"It's been 20 years since the Brady Law was passed. But 40% of gun sales still don't require a background check. Tell Congress to stop helping bad guys get guns."


http://www.bradycampaign.org/?q=finish-the-job









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