UGH. Jameis Winston (accused of rape) won the Heisman.

[alp227]

Just learned that Florida State University quarterback Jameis Winston has won college football's most prestigious award Heisman Trophy.

For info of how authorities bungled the investigation of an accusation of rape by Winston:

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/statement-police-warned-accuser-about-pursuing-jameis-winston-matter/2153364

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/63665/test-winstons-dna-matches-accuser

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/state-attorneys-report-video-of-jameis-winston-encounter-deleted/2155871

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/many-questions-need-answers-in-jameis-winston-matter/2152461

Whoever on that committee voted for him has the blood of Winston's next rape victim in their hands.

And at least University of Washington football player Jerramy Stevens was booked into jail after he was accused of rape. Prosecutors bungled the investigation of Stevens and ultimately dropped the case, but Stevens reached an out-of-court settlement with the Washington student who accused him of rape.

[woolldog]

1. Congrats to the young man.

Great season.

[seabeyond]

3. free card to rape. nt

[woolldog]

5. Innocent until proven guilty

I can accuse you, seabeyond, of all kinds of nasty things. Doesn't make them true. And doesn't mean you should be punished for them if they're not proven true.

[seabeyond]

11. not when the cops refuse to investigate until well after the fact, after telling victim to not

bother. not when it is factually known they ignored evidence. not when it is factually known there was destroyed evidence. not when it is factually known they did not interview the witnesses until well after the fact.

you would be wrong. that would be a free rape card. doesnt want rape on him, hten they should not have allowed him to be free without an investigation.

[BlueJazz]

110. That's when I knew that Mother-Fucker was guilty. WAY too many excuses to not "Damage"..

....the reputation of "OUR...I repeat, OUR" football sport hero.

I've see this same kind of bullshit when I went to college. The cops don't want to handle a hot Potato.

[seabeyond]

112. as i said elsewhere. i read the story a while ago and said nothing. this information is pretty

damning. now i am saying something.

talk about facts? i at least waited for facts and do not ignore the facts.

and i do not respect the person that ignores the facts to hold this possible rapist up as a hero.

[SammyWinstonJack]

75. ...

[Tanuki]

64. A bad case of NFLuenza---

Not going to be held responsible for his actions because he's a football star

[KitSileya]

89. You've got that right.

The Darthmouth Law Journal published an article about athletes and sexual assault:

FLAGRANT FOUL: AN EXAMINATION OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT
INVOLVING COLLEGIATE ATHLETES

The survey found that while male student-athletes make up only 3.3 percent of the college population at the surveyed institutions, they were responsible for 19 percent of sexual assault cases and 37 percent of domestic violence cases.6 Statistics show that one in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime7, and females who are in their college years are at the greatest risk for intimate partner violence.8

http://www.dartmouthlawjournal.org/uploads/10.2.1.pdf

The sports enthusiasts may cheer their athletes up and down the field, but they should acknowledge the dirty culture behind it, where young athletes in high school are enticed by cheerleaders when doing campus tours, and a worship of athletes while in school that makes them think they are above the law...because in most cases, they are. Very seldom is an athlete actually put on trial - instead, the victim is harassed and pressured to drop the charges if she were courageous enough to report it to begin with. After all, when you are threatened with expulsion for reporting your rape because it "creates an intimidating environment" for him, it sends a powerful message to all other victims.

Oh, and in case anyone wondered - in the article, the author uses 4 examples of athletes who battered their partners - their punishment was a transfer to another college, a one-game suspension, a three-game suspension, and a 4-week suspension. Color me surprised....not.

[davidn3600]

90. Celebs, athletes, the rich, etc.. they start to get a god mentality...

A lot of them think they are above the law. And that might not be incorrect considering how fast the justice system tries to move them through and out of the system. There are reasons for that both internally and externally. These people have a lot of money and pay lawyers money to get them off easy. There is no two-ways about it, if you have money, you can get off of charges.

But also jails and prisons hate dealing with well-known people because they have to dedicate resources to protect those people. So they get them out as quickly as possible.

Then you factor in corruption in some cases.

Justice is supposed to be blind. It shouldnt matter what your race, gender, age, or social-economic class is....but it does. It most certainly does matter a hell of a lot.

[chervilant]

35. Yeah, right...

His "great season" is justification for members of the legal system to ignore an accusation of rape -- he's the kind of role model we should want for our children.

[seabeyond]

37. Roethlisberger was vendicated for taking team to superbowl. rape TWO girls, go to superbowl = hero.

sick mf.

[seabeyond]

2. and the govenor says... no mo lookin' into the accusation of this guy. nt

[DURHAM D]

4. disgusting

[NightWatcher]

6. real prestigious, don't forget OJ won it too

So too did Tebow would couldn't get a job in the NFL

[alp227]

8. was OJ ever accused of rape when he went to college?

I know that OJ allegedly committed murder nearly 15 years after retiring from football.

[jaysunb]

7. Wow ! Just being accused is enough to pass our own

judgement these days ?

This immediately comes to mind:

LA Man Cleared of Murder After 34 Years in Prison

http://abcnews.go.com/US/la-man-cleared-murder-34-years-prison/story?id=20840038

[woolldog]

9. well he's black,

so of course innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply. It's been that way since emit till. A lot of people willing to ruin this guys life based on a mere allegation that prosecutors didn't find credible.

[alp227]

12. and it doesn't help either that it's HARD for women in college to report rapes

whether the Big Man on Campus or a no-name student.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10382613/

http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2013/02/11/college-rape-eileen-mcnamara

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/06/colleges_under_fire_for_respon.html

[woolldog]

17. And?

None of that has anything to do with whether the charges in this case are true. The investigation has been conducted and lab results analyzed and witnesses interviewed. The evidence wasnt there and the alleged victim was not found to be credible in this case.

Find someone else to lynch.

[seabeyond]

19. she wasnt found credible because she had sex with a bf earlier. cheers to you to ignore all the

wrongs in this investigation. this is truly how the Roethlisberger's get away with rape. and a whole town in steubenvile protecting their guy. you know. investigation done and nothing credible. until wait.... forced to investigate and find one hell of a lot of evidence.

rape apologists that feed the rape culture.

free rape card.

[woolldog]

23. She wasnt found credible for a number of reasons.

One of which was because she claimed to have been drugged and/or really drunk. Lab results showed this to not be true.

I trust the prosecutors on this.

[seabeyond]

24. and that was projecting back to what they thought it might be. investigators could have gone into

bar, easily gotten tape to see the drinks and her condition walking out door. talked to bar tenders, and people that were there. NOTHING. they did NOTHING. you know the definition of investigators? they fuckin investigate, except when they dont cause they already told her to go home, wouldnt be worth it.

but. you already know that dont you. and you choose to ignore it. and only put out the shit you want so you can cheer a likely rapist.

[seabeyond]

25. oh, and btw, having sex with a bf making her not credible? that would be misogynist fuckin bullshit

do you get that very very simple fact, or do you see her as a slut, you know. sex with a bf and then a rapist?

[woolldog]

29. It may or may not have been relevant.

For example if she denied it, it may have affected her credibility. I don't know what significance it had to the government investigators.

[seabeyond]

30. you do not know shit about the case but you cheer a possible rapist. lovely. nt

[woolldog]

38. The prosecutors know more about the case then you or I

and they didn't find the so called victim credible. I'll trust them on the matter.

[seabeyond]

40. no. they do not. cause the investigators did NOT fuckin INVESTIGATE. see how that works?

[woolldog]

45. Sure they did.

You really think you have a better handle on the case than the SAO? lol, ok.

[seabeyond]

48. you really do not know shit. yet cheer the possible rapist and argue the case. lovely.

[woolldog]

51. How many black men have been lynched

due to people like you jumping to conclusions and wanting to try, convict and execute people based on mere allegations.

Put down your rope and torch, madam.

[seabeyond]

73. well. that one was pretty damn disgusting. think you can reach more into the gutter to cheer

a possible rapist?

[Marr]

80. And you're condemning a man based on nothing but an accusation. /nt

[seabeyond]

82. since there was not an investigation, he was accused of rape, it makes him possibly a rapist.

problem?

[Marr]

83. If the police handled the investigation incompetently that's a police problem.

It doesn't make the accused man any more guilty.

You cannot just assume an individual is guilty based on nothing but an accusation-- no matter how badly the police handled the investigation.

[seabeyond]

84. am i assuming the man is guilty? i think not. i call him a possible rapist. why? cause he possibly

is a rapist.

tell me where i am wrong?

and people are cheering this possible rapist cause his football is so much better than a woman being raped.

[Marr]

85. In post #36 you describe him as the man 'who did the raping', and described how he must have

'got off on the raping' over and over.

You've flatly described the man as a rapist here-- let's be honest. Saying he shouldn't receive a Heisman is an extension of that accusation. I mean, if we're not going to give awards to anyone who "might be" a criminal, we'll have to stop giving awards altogether. Anyone "might be" a criminal. The line is a criminal conviction-- not an accusation.

I also haven't seen a single person here say, "his football is so much better than a woman being raped". Maybe you can show me the post I missed.

[seabeyond]

87. You know marrs, I don't give a flyin' fuck about an award. I do care about a victim, raped

Then police that fuckin told her to go home and let this guy off without an investigation. Why aren't you outraged? Are you the 62k standing and cheering a possible rapist? That... Is sick that we value football and hero worship more than a truth if he is a rapist.

[Marr]

95. Again, we do not condemn people based on nothing but an accusation. /nt

[seabeyond]

96. we investigate a crime and then decide. OH WAIT... not if it is a football hero. we do NOT

investigate, ignore the accusation and declare him innocent and CHEER a possible rapist. and we can feel good cheering this possible rapist cause it was only an accusation

nope

we are not so easily comforted allowing possible rapists being our hero.

nope

we do not cheer the possible rapist

we.... get pissed

[Marr]

99. If the police intentionally or unintentionally sabotaged an investigation, that's

a problem with the police, and something that should be pursued.

But it doesn't speak to the guilt of the accused.

[seabeyond]

100. it speaks to a hell of a lot. and corrupt gov said no opening case. why arent you outraged?

if the corrupt gov did anything but a football hero in a rape case, you all would be outraged.

what logic... what simple common sense are you using saying investigators did not investigate, .... bad them, the possible rapist gets a free rape card.

[Marr]

101. You are ranting at a strawman.

Once again, if it can be shown that the police intentionally or unintentionally sabotaged an investigation, then it should be done-- throw the book at them (if they are in fact guilty), and discourage such actions from being repeated.

That still will not speak to the guilt or innocence of the accused in this case.

And for the record, I don't even know how to play football. My position is based on a respect for the idea that people are innocent until proven guilty.

[seabeyond]

102. the evidence is all over and probably in this thread. you do the google, research find the threads

most all acknowledge it was a piss poor or non investigation. to little too late.

and really fuckin easy to say throw book at them when gov friday said no

and STILL we will cheer a possible rapist

lovely

right... you will never say bush and cheney are criminal. right?

ranting? talking a free rape card is a rant. ok. fuck ya. why not you?

strawman? not even. maybe you

[seabeyond]

97. btw... WE wont say anything about bush and cheneys crimes because we did not do an investigation,

ergo, they are innocent.

[FormalObserver]

91. Seabeyond...

is a possible rapist.

prove me wrong.

See how that works?

[seabeyond]

94. oh, wooo. so very offensive. wow. and clever, too. nt

[Lancero]

104. A rapists favorite tactic...

Is to try and deflect the accusations.

Looks like a deflection to me.

[seabeyond]

106. or just allow fans to send a rape victim home and not investigate. get rid of rape video

get rid of phone. and have lawyer tell the witnesses that are friends what to say

sure.

there are different ways rapists get away with it

oh

she had sex with her bf earlier and since she was raped, that makes her a slut.

i hear ya

[uponit7771]

26. This was the tell tale to me... also they said she change gating parts of the story multiple times..

...that's a little different than getting the color of someones shoes wrong or somethin

[seabeyond]

28. how about the friend and witness that had the video of the rape, deleted it and got rid of the phone

think that MIGHT be a tell?

[woolldog]

31. People delete their porn all the time.

Doesn't mean much one way or the other, especially if he deleted it long after everyone thought the investigation was over.

[seabeyond]

34. it is KNOWN their was a video of the alleged rape. he deleted and got rid of phone. do people

throw away their phone all the time, too?

nah... cheer the ppossible rapist. so much more comforting then to actually question a foot ball hero. just a drunk, screwin around with too many men, woman. you know... one of those. she is irrelevant. his right and privilege.

a

free rape card.

the corrupt gov spoke.

[woolldog]

44. So simply because someone is accused of a crime,

then lock them up and throw away the key, right?

[seabeyond]

47. oh look. just throwing out shit. ya. cause in all the posts where i actually gave info, that is s

accuse and throw in jail. geezus.... what totally hyperbole. that really shows the fail in argument saying shit like that.

but,. cheer a possible rapist with concern. just a woman. got it. insignificant next to a footie footie football player.

[uponit7771]

49. Unnnn, you're not sounding as if it's "possible" but it does sound funny that the ACCUSED got rid of

... their phone though..

Who does that?

Especially in their 20s, they're tied to their phones...

From cursory reading it DOES look like the FL police fucked up ANOTHER one...

[seabeyond]

74. purposely. cause he is a football hero and the fans want to cheer, regardless if he rapes a woman

or not. doesnt matter. she is insignificant. and that... would be disgusting

[uponit7771]

32. No, that doesn't sound right... what "friend" would do that? If they were witness's to the crime

... why didn't they call the police?

Also.. why aren't they speaking up now!?

Something aint right about this whole thing

[seabeyond]

36. friend of the football player that was raping. and he got to get off on the rape over and over and

over. that type of friend.

[Are_grits_groceries]

88. You trust the prosecutors???

Bwahahahaha!

Why don't you read this about their report and what they did.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024172147

Why not retest the specimens and check the chain of custody? This was an all inclusive investigation, right?
They were kept at the TPD for 37 days before being sent to the lab.

AND the 'witnesses' were all FSU football players who met with Winston's attorney before they handed in their written statements. You trust them too?

I don't know if he's guilty or not but such a bad job was done by everybody 'investigating' the case that he'll never escape the negative implications.

BTW the prosecutor did not say he was innocent. They said they didn't have enough evidence to press charges. There is a big difference.

[mythology]

63. I don't know if we can say that the investigation was conducted fairly

If as reported, the police told the alleged victim that coming forward would make her life miserable and refused to get a search warrant for Winston, then no, there wasn't an investigation in my opinion.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/12/13/family-of-accuser-statement-jameis-winston-case/4008855/

If in fact that is the case, then the police in question should be arrested for dereliction of duty, aiding and abetting after the fact and interfering in a police investigation.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. In this case, it could be more relevant that he's an athlete.

Some people here seem to really hate organized sports. Sometimes athletes are privileged and get away with things, so ergo any athlete that is accused and not found guilty must have gotten away with something.

[seabeyond]

22. i said nothing about this case for a couple weeks until more info came out a week or so ago.

there is plenty to suggest he did rape. and that the investigation was botched from the beginning. that simple. that is what is not trusted. we see too many rapists go free.

[Ilsa]

76. This sums it up for me.

I think the evidence is there, but the police intentionally blew the case along with the prosecutor who wouldn't bring it to trial.

The bastard got away with rape while the Heisman voters ignored the story, saying they couldn't use that information in their decision. Maybe they'll notice when he's eventually convicted of raping someone else.

[niyad]

27. this footballer was NOT found "not guilty"--because there was no real investigation, and he never

went to trial.

[seabeyond]

13. post 11. damn straight. and shame on people cheering this guy on knowing he is AS likely to be a

rapist as not. but, being comforted that a fuckin corrupt gov says he will not open the case. no fuckin strings there.

justice for some. not for others.

[pipi_k]

61. No kidding

As far as I know, none of us was actually there during whatever did or did not happen

But apparently that's no reason for people to pass judgement

[seabeyond]

77. i am judging the fact pipi that we know. that the investigators did NOT investigate. and what they

did investigate was too late cause they waited too long. do you know ANYTHING about the facts?

[liberalmuse]

10. Let's put it this way...

on the off chance she was raped (less than 2% of rape accusers are lying), then she is doomed anyway because sports trumps just about everything in America. If your town is in the running for a huge sports award, you certainly can't have some bimbo ruining your chance. Most sports heroes get away with rape and even murder. But hey, I'm sure he's innocent because you know, that lying bitch, right?

[seabeyond]

14. it is really 2-3% as with all crimes. just saying, they will come after you.... nt

[davidn3600]

15. You dont have to be in sports to get away with murder...

...you just need to have enough money to get a psychologist to diagnose you with "affluenza."

[liberalmuse]

21. True that.

You just need money, a good family name or fame and the odds are in your favor that you can get away with just about any crime.

This topic makes me crazy. I just remember when my sister when to hang with some basketball players with her friends. As the party progressed, she saw things taking a turn for the worse and luckily she and another friend were able to get out of there before being raped, and they almost were. I feel bad for the girls who didn't leave. I'm sorry, but a Heisman contender should not even put himself in this type of situation, and if he end up in this situation, he should be immediately disqualified. Enough of this, "boys will be boys", shit. This is why 97% of rapists get away with it when women end up being sexually assaulted then stifled afterwards.. I'm tired of it.

[Comrade Grumpy]

18. "Most sports heroes get away with rape and even murder."

Because most sports heroes are rapists and murderers?

[alp227]

20. Well to name names...how did these guys get off with rape and murder accusations?

OJ Simpson
Ray Lewis
Ben Roethlisberger
Jerramy Stevens
Kobe Bryant

If they weren't sports stars they would've walked right into prison.

[seattledo]

33. Good point, ...

but considering the vast majority of rapists are never even arrested, you shouldn't pick on just sports stars. It's an epidemic on every level of society.

[seabeyond]

39. really? the poster picking on the po rapists cause they are in sports? omg. lol. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

68. They had money? That seems to be how it works in this society.

Or maybe they were innocent. And money provided them with the means to hire legal representation to defend themselves.

Or maybe some from Column A, some from Column B.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

92. That's a made-up statistic.

A claim like "it is probably that the fraction of rape accusations that are false is very small" is perfectly reasonable given the quality of data available.

A bald statement that "less 2% of rape accusers are lying" is simply not supported by the available data - it may be true, but we don't have nearly enough evidence to be confident of that.

[Nye Bevan]

41. Aren't progressives supposed to believe in "innocent until proven guilty"?

Lots of people prejudged the Duke Lacrosse team, too.

[seabeyond]

43. IFinvestigators had investigated, maybe. they didnt. we could go off that theory with steubenville

they were done. and a nation yelled. they reinvestigated and lookie... fuckin rape and cover up

[BainsBane]

50. And yet you're entirely comfortable

Judging the victims, when FBI stats show only about 4% of rape victims make false allegations, a rate lower than the percentage of rapists who ever do Jail time.
Yet apparently "progressives" are supposed to ignore facts and always defend an accused rapist over his victims? Ignore the ME report that showed bruises and wounds all over her body. Ignore the fact that a video of the assault was destroyed.
And then Just write women out of progressivism. How dare we care about our own lives?
Just time to face the facts that we have no human rights because "progressives" insist an accused rapist must never be criticized.

Where was about your fretting about prejudging George Zimmerman when e killed Trayvon? Or is it just women who lie all the time?

[Nye Bevan]

53. I always maintained that the evidence wasn't there to convice Zimmerman of murder

beyond a reasonable doubt. And I took quite a bit of heat for it (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023248164)

My point is that given the existence of false rape allegations, should someone's life be ruined merely because they are accused of rape, regardless of whether they are prosecuted or convicted?

[BainsBane]

59. his life clearly hasn't been turned upside down

He just won the fucking Heisman trophy. If you want to see a ruined life, look at his victim.

[uponit7771]

55. So fuck due process!? No, it DOES look like the FL Police dropped the ball AGAIN but on what

... she said how in the world is someone supposed to put the guy in jail ...

Even if they had done an investigation it sounds like he said she said...

I haven't read anything other than the friends "tossed" phone that points to the young mans guilt

Regards

[BainsBane]

58. Does this look like a court of law to you?

There is no danger of rapists suddenly being held accountable for their actions. Only 3% of rapists are convicted so you really needn't get yourself so incensed. Rape victims are still shamed every single day and their assailants are free to reoffend. What a few of us say on this message board is not going to change those crucial facts.

[uponit7771]

62. I think that stinks, but I'd hate to he in Winstons shoes and did NOT rape the young lady...

... I don't think they can throw someone in jail cause of he said she said.

Also, what you say matters

regards

[BainsBane]

70. He's not in jail is he?

Rapists rarely go to jail He's got a Heisman trophy and will have some huge pro contract. Her life is the one that has been destroyed, as will those of the women he rapes in the future.

[BainsBane]

42. What is important is protected

And it is not the lives of past, present, and future rape victims

Rape culture folks: give it a round of applause.

[Upton]

46. An accusation does not mean the accused is automatically guilty..

something some people in this thread have yet to learn..

[BainsBane]

52. He clearly isn't legally guilty because there was no trial

as is the case for close to 90% of rapes.

I'll bet you $1000 he will rape again. Will you take that bet?

[uponit7771]

54. it was proven that he raped the first time?! Come on people, this is a little silly no? tia

[BainsBane]

57. Silly not to call rape victims liars?

To understand some basic realities about rape and the active propagation of rape culture? No, actually it's called bothering to inform oneself and imagining that women's lives have value, even if the don't throw a ball down a field.

[Upton]

56. At least we're getting somewhere..

so am I to presume you will stop referring to Winston as a rapist since he was never even charged?

[BainsBane]

60. Yes, are you willing to take $1000 bet

that no more women will report he has raped them?

[Upton]

66. You seriously want to bet on rape accusations?

Whatever...

Find someone else. I'm sure not going to be cheering for or against allegations of rape. Sounds a little weird to me.

However, I would point out once again that an accusation does not equal guilt.

Go right ahead and keep on throwing out stats you seem to feel trumps the presumption of innocence though.

[BainsBane]

67. there is a legal presumption of innocence

but that doesn't mean the POS isn't a rapist. I'm not a court. I have a right to a point of view. Just like people here believe Trayvon guilty. Where did you stand on that? Are you going around championing Zimmerman's case? Or is it just accused rapists who should be immune from criticism?

Presumption of innocence is a legal concept. It doesn't control my speech, and it doesn't control what any informed person knows: rapists get away with rape because that is exactly how this culture is designed. If the justice system considered women as human beings with equal rights, this crap wouldn't happen.

So I will continue to denounce every rapist piece of shit and their defenders every time I want. Others can continue to call women liars and talking about how "bi....s" set up poor beleaguered rape suspects. In the meantime, 20 percent of more women will continue to be raped and rapists will reoffend with impunity, which really is the point.

[BainsBane]

71. Remember, by that same legal standard

Dick Cheney, George W Bush, and Henry Kissinger are all not guilty of war crimes.

[bluestate10]

65. The vote was in before the allegations became widely known. I don't think that he should have

gotten that honor. The award must be one more slap in the face of the young woman that accused him of rape.

[Upton]

69. That's not true..

the votes weren't officially due until the finish of last weekend. Everybody was well aware of the allegations. In fact, many Heisman voters were waiting to see if Winston would be charged before returning their ballots..As is, he was still left off 115 ballots completely.

[alarimer]

72. I hope he is like Tim Tebow and fails in the NFL

Thugs like that don't deserve anything else.

[alp227]

78. At least Tebow led the Broncos to the post-2011 playoffs

Matt Leinart was a lot worse.

[southerncrone]

79. Cuz football prowess makes everything OK.

(as if this is needed)

[brush]

86. How many times are you going to post this? We get the point. nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

93. I'm glad that unproven allegations don't invariably have the power to ruin lives. N.T.

[seabeyond]

98. are you also glad investigators sent accuser home. that investigators did not

investigate until the evidence disappeared. did not question witness until the spoke to the accused lawyer. deleted the video of supposed rape. threw away the phone of the supposed rape. cause investigators said going after a football hero would only cause the victim a world of hurt?

[Lancero]

103. You want to make your arguements hold more weight?

Proper English. At least, more proper then what your using.

It goes to show how much a person cares. If they don't care enough about their argument to use proper English, then that could mean that they don't even care about the argument.

I'm sure someone can go over this and find errors. I wouldn't doubt that. But at least I cared enough to try making it look like proper English, by using appropriate punctuation and capitalization.

[seabeyond]

105. you are more concerned with capitals than with a woman being raped and investigator NOT doing their

job?

ya. you would be one of the 62K cheering a possible rapist.

[Lancero]

108. Don't worry, we get it.

To you, this man is Satan incarnate. And you'd rather him be locked up and the key destroyed. And the same to any person accused of rape.

But some of us here actually believe in the saying "Innocent until proven guilty". You know, the basis of our justice system?

You know who is to blame for the investigators not doing their jobs? The investigators. You don't like the results of their investigation? Blame them.

And do put up the pitchfork.

[seabeyond]

111. creative writing? my points are clear thru out this thread. making shit up is lazy. you still

have not addressed the very very simply fact the investigators did not investigate and sent a rape victim home.

you want to cheer a possible rapist.

that simple

i wont do it. i will not ignore the fact he was accused of rape. evidence destroyed to validate the claim. high ups protecting this man. ALL things we progressives would be appalled at. yet.... we cheer this possible rapist. that is shameful. i do not respect that person

do you call cheney and bush criminals?

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107. "You want to make your arguements hold more weight? Proper English. At least, more proper then what

your using."

Ahhahahaha. Thanks for the laugh!

[Lancero]

109. "I'm sure someone can go over this and find errors. I wouldn't doubt that."

Wouldn't doubt it, since I left a couple.

That was one of them. Left that one since I knew someone would get a laugh out of it.