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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:59 AM Dec 2013

Conned by Republicans as Democrats cede

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/15/1262491/-Conned-by-Republicans-as-Democrats-cede?detail=facebook

by Egberto Willies Dec 15, 2013 1:00pm PST

President Obama took a lot of flak when he said, “I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.” Unfortunately that statement is as true now as it was then.
Americans have been living under Republican policies since Ronald Reagan. It is true that President George Herbert Walker Bush and President Clinton were far more fiscally responsible than the mathematically challenged and reality deficient Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. George Herbert Walker Bush and Bill Clinton raised taxes in light of exploding deficits which ultimately resulted in a "nominal" budget surplus.

America went from voodoo economics to a form of fiscally responsible supply side economics. They cleaned up Ronald Reagan’s fiscal mess. They however did not clean up his flawed middle-class-pilfering supply-side economics. In fact it could be argued that Clinton was complicit by signing the "repeal" of Glass Steagall even as he allowed further erosion of the social safety net.

When George W. Bush got appointed president in 2000 by the Supreme Court, the era of fiscally irresponsible supply side economics returned on steroids. It was tax cuts justified by the discredited Laffer Curve all over again.

Enough Democrats never fought against the irresponsibility of the Republicans. Who wants to be on record opposing tax cuts? Republicans never worry about deficits if they are attributed to tax cuts or corporate welfare. Deficits only matter when related to the social safety net (Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, etc.)

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Conned by Republicans as Democrats cede (Original Post) G_j Dec 2013 OP
k and r dembotoz Dec 2013 #1
Clinton was complicit in several ways. Laelth Dec 2013 #2
agreed. nt G_j Dec 2013 #3
I have used that very line re: Clinton. (nt) Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #4
And rightly so. +1 n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #5
I have said that Clinton is the best Republican president of my lifetime ... SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #6
His undisputed title of "Best Republican President Ever"... bvar22 Dec 2013 #8
It is those same,,, Cryptoad Dec 2013 #7
Good Read. bvar22 Dec 2013 #9
You're right! RVN VET Dec 2013 #11
This president is a bad joke played on working people, liberals, and the poor Doctor_J Dec 2013 #13
Who wants to be on record opposing tax cuts? RVN VET Dec 2013 #10
On top of gutting and twisting the law, an unwillingness to enforce regulations has Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #12

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. Clinton was complicit in several ways.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:13 AM
Dec 2013

I still call him the best Republican President since Eisenhower.

That said, I appreciate the post.

-Laelth

SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
6. I have said that Clinton is the best Republican president of my lifetime ...
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:39 AM
Dec 2013

... but Ike was before me.

And the amount of flack I get for that from "good" Dems .... yikes!

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
7. It is those same,,,
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

fiscally responsible supply side economic policies that allowed the Rich to pay a lower average effective income tax rates than the Middle Class. In Fact 30 years of Raping the middle class of their little wealth and redistributing it upward among the Rich!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
9. Good Read.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:20 PM
Dec 2013

I recommend going to the link and reading the whole article.

The new budget deal is the last straw. What is evident? Democrats allowed themselves to be conned once more. The figure on the top shows the different proposed budgets. President Obama proposed $1,235 billion. Paul Ryan proposed $967 billion. The "compromise" was $1,012 billion. This is much closer to Paul Ryan’s meager budget than to the president’s. The president’s initial budget was already a compromise. Why did he not start from the Peoples Budget?

*The new revenues for this budget came from the average American.

*Corporate welfare remained untouched.

*Doctors got their fix.

*The unemployed did not get theirs.

*There will be higher airline security fees,

*curbs in pension benefits for federal workers,

*and a curb in annual cost of living increases in benefits for military retirees under the age of 62.

*Our military fight the wars and maintain safety to ensure the viability and profitability of the American corporatocracy. For that they are but pawns in the political process.

[font size=3]To many it is becoming ever more depressing. Who is fighting for the poor? Who is fighting for the working middle class? Is losing the American way of life a far gone conclusion?[/font]


I dispute one point in "Conned by Republicans as Democrats cede"
by Egberto Willies.
He claims that "Democrats allowed themselves to be conned once more".

At some point in a long line of serial capitulations since the Democrats gained the Majorities in 2006,
one is forced to confront the illusion that the Republicans are smarter than the Democrats,
and realize that they are working together.
The only ones being Conned are the American Citizens and voters.



You will know them by their WORKS.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
11. You're right!
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 04:44 PM
Dec 2013

This isn't about Democrats not understanding the full ramifications of what they're doing. It's about Democrats showing their true colors -- name green as in dollars, and screw the blue voters who put them in office.

It is we who are allowing ourselves to be conned over and over again. The current budget compromise reads like a wet dream that old-time arch conservatives might have had. 30 years ago the Republicans in Congress, for pete's sake, would have voted against it as grossly unfair. Now the New Democrats beat the chests about what a wonderful job they did.

And this is just the beginning, friends, just the beginning. There are so few real men and women on Capitol Hill who actually care and fight for us and our interests that we no longer have a real, meaningful voice there.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. This president is a bad joke played on working people, liberals, and the poor
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:36 PM
Dec 2013

an unmitigated disaster for the party of FDR, JFK, LBJ.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
10. Who wants to be on record opposing tax cuts?
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 04:37 PM
Dec 2013

Senator Carl Levin of Michigan actually denounced the Reagan Administration's tax cuts from the Senate floor, and I think Bernie Sanders can also be counted among the tiny number of Dems who publicly opposed the cuts.

So you're right, it takes guts, principle, and spine -- and there are way to few Dems in D.C. that have any of them. Same for voting against the bullsh*t war in iraq.

Not many Dems fight against the irresponsibility of Republicans because not many Dems stand for anything.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
12. On top of gutting and twisting the law, an unwillingness to enforce regulations has
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 05:03 PM
Dec 2013

been prevalent since that time. Remember that most people were cheering when that asshole broke PATCO. There is an anti-government mindset that pervades the government itself.
& R

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