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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:38 PM Dec 2013

Ted Cruz thinks Duck Dynasty star has a First Amendment right to be on reality TV

Ted Cruz thinks Duck Dynasty star has a First Amendment right to be on reality TV
By David Edwards
Thursday, December 19, 2013 15:26 EST

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) on Thursday called on television network A&E to return Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson to his television show, citing “free speech” and “religious liberty” rights guaranteed by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

After A&E suspended Robertson for comparing homosexuality to bestiality, Cruz took to Facebook to defend the Duck Commander company founder.

“Free speech matters,” Cruz wrote. “If you believe in free speech or religious liberty, you should be deeply dismayed over the treatment of Phil Robertson. Phil expressed his personal views and his own religious faith; for that, he was suspended from his job.”

“In a free society, anyone is free to disagree with him–but the mainstream media should not behave as the thought police censoring the views with which they disagree,” he continued. “And, as PC enforcers often forget, tolerance is a two-way street.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/19/ted-cruz-thinks-duck-dynasty-star-has-a-first-amendment-right-to-be-on-reality-tv/

I demand a multimillion dollar contract for my own reality TV show, if I do not receive it my First Amendment rights are clearly being violated.
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Ted Cruz thinks Duck Dynasty star has a First Amendment right to be on reality TV (Original Post) Bjorn Against Dec 2013 OP
Oh Teddy! Phil is being censored by a PRIVATE CORPORATION, not government. muntrv Dec 2013 #1
Me, too!! Me, too!!! LisaLynne Dec 2013 #2
Ted Cruz thinks he is starring in his own giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #3
Sadly, people stupid enough to elect him are stupid enough to believe him n/t arcane1 Dec 2013 #5
It's disturbing isn't it? giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #8
I suspect that's the case with many (but not all) of them arcane1 Dec 2013 #10
Ugh, it's so tiresome giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #13
He's a lawyer and since he was Ivy League I'm pretty sure he know what the 1st Amendment says Mike Daniels Dec 2013 #27
This worthless, stupid fuck is a United States Senator. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #4
Plus He Has Argued Cases Before The Supreme Court Liberal_Dog Dec 2013 #12
Gotta' admit: Senator Ted Cruz has some finely-honed reasoning skills. Nonetheless, I'm going indepat Dec 2013 #6
Fuck you very much, Ted libodem Dec 2013 #7
Bazinga! TeamPooka Dec 2013 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #9
LOL. Who cares if he offended anyone? ADVERTISERS, that's who. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #16
What happened to supporting the free market? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #11
You're overlooking that this Duck guy is a white Christian male. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #15
Oh damn, silly me! NuclearDem Dec 2013 #20
That's crazy talk! Deep13 Dec 2013 #14
Corporations don't write laws DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #17
First, did you really write "Corporations don't write laws?" Deep13 Dec 2013 #22
Yes, that's exactly what I wrote, and I meant it. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #26
His comments were not made on the tv show, they were made in an interview with GQ magazine okaawhatever Dec 2013 #28
How the fuck did he become a US senator? Beaverhausen Dec 2013 #18
They want their idiot followers to believe Obama is censoring these phonies. Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #21
"Obama!!!!! Tell your Kenyan overlords this is AMERICA and we want to hate on the GAYS!!! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #24
what does he know about The Bill of Rights? He's Cuban-Canadian. Besides, Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #23
Phil Robertson's views are being censored? nyquil_man Dec 2013 #25
The First Amendment only applies to State Actors Gothmog Dec 2013 #29
So what Ted is saying... jmowreader Dec 2013 #30

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
1. Oh Teddy! Phil is being censored by a PRIVATE CORPORATION, not government.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Dec 2013

Phil is being treated the same as the Dixie Chicks.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
2. Me, too!! Me, too!!!
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Dec 2013

I mean, this is just ... so stupid. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but not to be free from consequences. If I went to work tomorrow and started tossing around a bunch of racial slurs, I would be (rightly) fired on the freaking spot. Do these people really not understand this?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
3. Ted Cruz thinks he is starring in his own
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Dec 2013

reality show as well. These idiots amaze me when the convolute free speech & an employers reactions to said speech.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
8. It's disturbing isn't it?
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:49 PM
Dec 2013

Isn't the guy a lawyer also? I think he just talks out of his ass for the attention, but he can't possibly think the majority of the country is as dumb as his constituents.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. I suspect that's the case with many (but not all) of them
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:51 PM
Dec 2013

They know which buzz-words to use, and have contempt for the rubes that take them seriously.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
27. He's a lawyer and since he was Ivy League I'm pretty sure he know what the 1st Amendment says
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:58 PM
Dec 2013

However, given that the Tea Party wing seems to thrive on a sense of perpetual victimization he knows that the key to success is for someone to lead them to believe their "rights" are being trampled.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
4. This worthless, stupid fuck is a United States Senator.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:43 PM
Dec 2013

That's right, he's one of the august, revered one hundred members of our upper legislative body. And this pile of feeble hatred doesn't have a second grader's understanding of the First Amendment.

A&E is not the government, and therefore they cannot have made a law abridging free speech. Go away, submoron.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
6. Gotta' admit: Senator Ted Cruz has some finely-honed reasoning skills. Nonetheless, I'm going
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:46 PM
Dec 2013

to restrain my 1st Amendment rights by not telling him what a total ass he seems.

Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
16. LOL. Who cares if he offended anyone? ADVERTISERS, that's who.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:57 PM
Dec 2013

It's all about the $$$$$$$$. And it's not liberals who play the victim card, it's the "pussitits" conservatives.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
11. What happened to supporting the free market?
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:53 PM
Dec 2013

A company made a decision that was in its best interests. Thought a free marketeer like Cruz would like that

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
14. That's crazy talk!
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:54 PM
Dec 2013

No one on that show is a "star."

While SCOTUS does not consider the 1st Am. to apply to so-called private corporations, I do not believe the issue is so clear cut. Unlike partnerships and sole proprietorships, state law grants creates corporations and grants them perpetual existence and immunity from liability for the owners. I think corporations are at least quasi-governmental entities answerable to the Constitution. Put another way, if the state cannot penalize someone from free speech, how can it make a corporation that can?

And to what degree can one surrender free speech rights by contract? Presumably, this guy's contract allows the show to fire him if he says offensive things (although one wonders why they did not just edit that remark out).

Generally, one cannot piss off the boss's customers and hope to remain employed, so I don't have much sympathy for this guy. Still, I am really reticent to concede that 1. free speech only exists within the pretty narrow limits of the 1st Amendment and that 2. corporations--especially ones that operate on public frequencies--are "private" for Constitutional law purposes.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
17. Corporations don't write laws
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:58 PM
Dec 2013

The First is pretty clear about who it applies to. It applies to lawmakers.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
22. First, did you really write "Corporations don't write laws?"
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:13 AM
Dec 2013

We all know that in fact they do.

Can Congress or the state create a corporation for the purpose of of searching every home in a city for anything illegal with the purpose of using it in a criminal prosecution? May the govt. empower such a corporation with the ability to perform summary executions on supposed offenders? If not, why not if not for violations of Constitutional criminal defense rights, including unreasonable searches and seizures.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
26. Yes, that's exactly what I wrote, and I meant it.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:46 PM
Dec 2013

I'm well aware that corporate lobbyists get laws written the way they want them written. It's still LAWMAKERS who get the legislation passed. Therefore, these lawmakers in government, and other government entities, cannot abridge the right to free speech. But those corporations, even the scummy ones who do their worst with lobbying, cannot by definition abridge free speech. You can test this by telling the CEO of the company you work for to fuck off. You'll very likely be fired with your First Amendment rights completely intact, unmolested by the government, but terminated by the private employer who is under no such restrictions.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
28. His comments were not made on the tv show, they were made in an interview with GQ magazine
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:03 PM
Dec 2013

so no, the corporation didn't have the option of editing them out. Also, when you talk about signing away your free speech rights in a contract you're assuming he lost his free speech rights. He didn't. The A & E network did not prohibit the article from being published. The A & E contract is about profits and protecting and defining a business relationship. What is your alternative? Should A & E be forced to air his shows and lose money? They only aired the show for the purpose of making money. Does Phil Robertson have a contractual right to ignore his behavior clause and force A & E to pay him now that he's cost them money? Sorry, this doesn't have anything to do with free speech. The network didn't stop him from speaking, he wasn't censored.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
24. "Obama!!!!! Tell your Kenyan overlords this is AMERICA and we want to hate on the GAYS!!!
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:19 AM
Dec 2013

without sensership!!!11"

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
23. what does he know about The Bill of Rights? He's Cuban-Canadian. Besides,
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:18 AM
Dec 2013

he's a Republican. take away 20 IQ points. And he's a Republican Senator. Take away another 30 IQ points.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
25. Phil Robertson's views are being censored?
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:00 AM
Dec 2013

That's odd; I could have sworn the media's been repeating them over and over again.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
29. The First Amendment only applies to State Actors
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:52 PM
Dec 2013

Unless a governmental entity is doing the censorship, the First Amendment does not apply. Here the TV network is free to take whatever steps they want and there is no violation of the First Amendment. This is basic constitutional law. Here is a brief explanation of this requirement from Cornell Law School http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/state_action_requirement

The state action requirement stems from the fact that the constitutional amendments which protect individual rights (especially the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment) are mostly phrased as prohibitions against government action. For example, the First Amendment states that “[c]ongress shall make no law” infringing upon the freedoms of speech and religion. Because of this requirement, it is impossible for private parties (citizens or corporations) to violate these amendments, and all lawsuits alleging constitutional violations of this type must show how the government (state or federal) was responsible for the violation of their rights. This is referred to as the state action requirement.

jmowreader

(50,530 posts)
30. So what Ted is saying...
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:00 AM
Dec 2013

is the fiduciary duty of a corporation to its shareholders (because you just know if they kept Mr. Robertson on the air, us hate-filled liberals would have launched boycotts of every company that advertises on A&E until they ditched Man-on-Dog 2013) takes a back seat to the right of one man to spew hateful crap.

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