Goodbye

[BlueJazz]

[NYC_SKP]

1. Don't go.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. you're supposed to at least give the usual litany.

[winter is coming]

3. Hello. Hello. n/t

[WillyT]

4. Bye...

You gonna be alright ???

[NYC_SKP]

25. Thank you for not being nasty, WillyT.

My saddest part about GBCW posts is the feeding frenzy.

I want to think we're better than that.

True, the member wrote that they found India to be a filthy place that thinks that men there mistreat women.

Harsh and a generalization that may or may not have validity, but not something that deserves such scorn.

Anyway, thank you for not being mean.

[WillyT]

27. Never Hidden A Post, A Thread, VERY Rarely Alerted, Or Voted To Hide... On A Jury.

And the only time I do get nasty... is when some jerk attacks somebody I do not think deserved it... new or old, friend or "foe"...

[HangOnKids]

35. Wow amazing posting for 90 days!!!

You must be retired to post 36 times a day every day, that is so great. I hope to do that some day! How cool!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

36. you seem to really interested in how often others POST!!! :D

THank you so much for all of your kind attention. You've showered me with your golden rays of sunshine in the past and now it is NYC SKPs turn!

You Rock!!!

[HangOnKids]

39. Just paying attention PW

Do you often chime in for others?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

43. I speak for everyone and no one

I am the Highlander. boowahahahhahaha!

[HangOnKids]

47. Your first sentence explained it all

Thanks!

[pintobean]

44. You've never done that, right?

[CreekDog]

130. you only speak after others

[pintobean]

152. It's called a reply.

You must understand the concept, since you do it too, as does HOK.

[CreekDog]

156. Actually, you don't post replies --you post "asides"

and basically never on topic, only on the drama that followed the topic.

but you think you're clever and that has intrinsic value by making you feel good.

so there's that.

[pintobean]

159. And, you claim

I stalk you.

Would it make you feel better if I comment in your show biz thread?

[CreekDog]

161. Not really. Actually what you do is...well it's hard to explain but easy to picture:

[pintobean]

168. I've never felt a need

to provide the text of a hidden post to a banned member.

[NYC_SKP]

40. Had to go to my profile, then divide total posts by 90 to get average daily posts...

That's a LOT of concern, right there!



Not retired, gainfully employed with an in-home office and plenty of opportunity to post...

[Pretzel_Warrior]

45. yep. but I'm sure he or she is a math whiz and does it in their head within 2 seconds

so they are a concern savant.

[Th1onein]

57. Do we really just have to verbally beat the crap out of each other here all of the time?

It really is getting old and I think it defeats the purpose of this forum.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

62. I'm not. I am just indicating it may not have been as much effort for hangonkids to arrive at

daily post count as it would first appear. Whereas were I to do it, I'd have to either take off my shoes and socks, figure out where my calculator is, or learn how to use Excel for something other than pivot tables.

[HangOnKids]

65. In a few days it will not matter

Skinner sent the message, I am sure you got it

[Pretzel_Warrior]

67. Did you participate in my thread about favorite books?

I'll need to tabulate and post before my "break" from DU

[Rex]

131. It is a hobby for some here, they have nothing else going on on their lives

is my guess.

[TheKentuckian]

107. OK, I don't care who ya are, that thar is funny stuff.

Fucking concern savant!

We often disagree, hell we may disagree right now but that was at least a notch past clever and made me laugh out loud without so much as a sip of coffee and that is not particularly easy.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

119. :) glad I could put a smile on your face

[Iggo]

124. LOL..."concern savant."

Score yourself five bonus points.

[HangOnKids]

42. I forgot to add how much I just love you

You add so much to the board. Your turn.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

49. I love you too. I hope you'll participate in this thread over here......

It would mean so much. Still tabulating and will share results soon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024184718

[HangOnKids]

51. Was my post to Skip about you?

No I did not think so......

[Pretzel_Warrior]

54. but I had remembered you did the same thing to me recently. which I had felt odd at the time

so when I see you make a habit of counting others' 90 day posting activity....I thought it was funny and discussed it. You know, like we do on discussion boards.

Cheerio!

[HangOnKids]

55. Talk to Admin then

Cheerio

[Pretzel_Warrior]

58. no issue with it. I just found it funny that you do it. kind of like watching the neighbor touch

all of the pickets on his fence before going inside the house. Doesn't affect me...but strange.

[HangOnKids]

61. I'm sure PW

Laughing my ass off.

[HangOnKids]

59. Keep the hidden posts thing going it is so rich

Cheerio!

[1000words]

68. There should be a penalty for a 0-6 shutouts, on petty alerts.

Your post was alerted, Kids. It failed, miserably.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

71. There is. They can't alert for 24 hours

[westerebus]

88. Needs to be bumped up for repeaters.

It might slow down some of the BS alerts. JMO

[SidDithers]

104. ...

Sid

[CreekDog]

169. if you post more than any other DUer, you are 3rd in line of Admin succession

or maybe that's the rumor.

[Number23]

174. That poster once sent me a PM where he referred to India as a shithole

Hold up. I'll see if I can find the PM

Yeah, it just a title and it says "Yeah..but you were born in India ..which isn't a country at all...just a shit-hole for trash."

This was in response to a post that I made where I had the nerve to challenge this poster's contention that the driver's test in Australia was as top notch as he was pretending that it was. I repeat, this was in response to a post about a DRIVING TEST. His hatred for India and more than likely Indians was something he didn't try to hide.

First of all, I'm not Indian. Never even been to India. And secondly, that doesn't matter. It was a nasty, racist, stupid assed thing to say about a country of over 1 billion people.

I alerted but apparently the admins didn't do anything about him. He should have been tombstoned.

[idwiyo]

177. Thank you for posting it. That PM is absolutely sick.

Sorry you had to deal with it.

[XRubicon]

5. Goodbye

[LittleBlue]

6. Nooooooo

We need an epic rant against those who have obviously wronged you!

[Hotler]

7. Rules for GD.

1.) Have thick skin.
2.) Never say you are leaving or goodbye. Just go.

[SidDithers]

18. +1...nt

Sid

[WillyT]

37. Sorry You're Afraid Of Human Feelings, Of Pain, Depression, Outcasting, Bullying...

You must be a gem during the holidays.

Oh wait... you're not.

And your friend could learn or thing or to... if they could learn anything at all.

[JaneyVee]

8. What happened?

[Systematic Chaos]

10. This happened:

At Thu Dec 19, 2013, 06:16 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Yes...Their football team treats women like Men in India treat most women. I do not like India.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=677870

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

"Filthy country" is a derogatory comment that plays into a common racist stereotype of Indians as being unclean people. This is very offensive towards Indian DUers and inappropriate for a Democratic site.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 19, 2013, 06:41 PM, and the Jury voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Ever been there?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: I do not like BlueJazz. I think he/she has filthy opinions.

Wow, this shit really DOES work both ways!

--Systematic Chaos
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Ohio Joe]

15. WTF... Good Riddance - nt

[NutmegYankee]

16. Did you seriously write that that into a jury comment?

That kind of behavior is why Skinner has starting making people non-eligible for juries.

[Systematic Chaos]

17. I speak out at times when something is especially disgusting, yes.

I do NOT do that sort of thing "just because", or to target people here I don't like (which numbers in the single digits) and it's pretty rare.

If the admins have a serious problem with how I handled that jury, then I welcome them to contact me whereupon I will curtail any such further behavior.

[BlueStreak]

26. Just out of curiosity, how did that post violate any TOU?

It seems to me the jury process is turning into gang warfare. I thought people were supposed to make their judgments based on TOU, not whether they like the poster, or whether they agree with the opinions expressed in the post.

[painesghost]

29. I agree.

Although his post was nasty to say the least, it doesn't mean it needs to be erased like something out of Stalin's Short Course.

[BlueStreak]

46. I thought it was poorly worded, not nasty

I thought the sentiment was that India is a horrible place when it has to do with attitudes toward women, particularly the idea that raping women is an entitlement. Maybe I am reading something different than the poster intended. But given where India is socially right now, I don't think his words were too far off the mark, albeit an overly broad generalization.

But no individual here was targeted by those remarks as far as I can tell. There is no justification for hiding the post. The post should have stood and people could make their own judgment about what that means to them.

[painesghost]

72. I agree it should not have been removed.

And if he truly meant the comment in the way you stated it then I would agree it was only poorly worded and not nasty.

[regnaD kciN]

79. The hell it shouldn't have been!

Calling India a "filthy country" and wishing death on all Indian males? If that isn't worth removing a post, I don't know what is.

[BainsBane]

82. Where did he wish death on Indian males?

Not in the hidden post. I'm not defending the post. I just don't see that is says precisely what you describe.

[Scootaloo]

178. Perhaps this one, from post # 82

The only thing I would like to see in India is 2 million Tigers

Now, maybe it's just me - I often accuse people I dislike of depriving a tiger somewhere of a meal - but the implication can definitely be read there, along with the use of "only."

Either way, it's a nasty post that deserved the hide.

[BlueStreak]

84. The hidden post does not say that. But if it did, please tell me

what part of TOU that violates.

[NYC_SKP]

30. It didn't. Just pulled a bad jury, IMO.

Some people want a thought police, perfectly orderly nobody's bad everything is unicorns world.

This member, who it seems has ACTUALLY been to India, remarked about it's cleanliness.

They also had something to say about his opinion of male-female relationships there.

All that was too much for some members, I guess.

Had they bashed poor white people in a trailer park in Alabama, however, it would have been A-OK!

[BlueStreak]

48. Re the Alabama double standard, many of us are guilty of that.

[Behind the Aegis]

73. "Had they bashed poor white people in a trailer park in Alabama, however, it would have been A-OK!"

Or if s/he had chosen another country with the letter "I" as its lead letter, s/he'd be getting "+1's" and ...maybe a parade.

[Go Vols]

105. +1

[fishwax]

50. juries don't decide based on TOS, but rather Community Standards n/t

[NutmegYankee]

77. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=2863

Members who are abusive while performing jury service will lose the privilege of serving on juries.
The administrators are getting increasingly concerned about the small number of members who repeatedly post rude juror comments while serving on juries. The vast majority of jurors are doing the job in good faith, but unfortunately a small number of people are not. Some people seem to be using the juror comments as a "free" opportunity to make extremely abusive comments to people -- that's not ok. If any juror has a history of inappropriate comments, or if any juror makes a single comment that is way over the line, then we are going to exclude that individual from jury service. If we do take away any person's jury privileges, we will do so transparently and make a note of it on that person's profile page. (Look for the words "Eligible to serve on Juries?&quot

[Systematic Chaos]

160. So, changing out two key words in a clearly nasty OP, merely to prove a point, is abuse?

Claiming that someone who "hates" an entire country and roughly half of its population, as well as stating that the whole damn place is filthy, is abuse of this forum and a clear standards violation to me.

Turning that OP on its head to prove that point and vouch for hiding said abusive post is not in and of itself abusive towards the OP. Going off and calling that person a bunch of vulgar names would be. But I have no interest or desire to do that, as I don't even know BlueJazz. He/she might be an awesome person to hang out with otherwise. I have no idea either way, but even in person I promise you I would have called them out on such statements, and likely in a similar way.

That type of crap just pisses me off to no end, and when I hear it I speak out. Full stop.

I hope this helps you to understand my reasoning.

[idwiyo]

78. It's racism. Jury got it right. Good riddance.

[regnaD kciN]

80. +1

Could you imagine the reaction if someone had used the exact same words or sentiments concerning, say, Israel? Just because you don't like a country or its policies, you don't get a free pass to wish death on every male of that country or call the whole place "filthy."

[idwiyo]

81. My thought exactly. Because obviously everyone in India is rapist, entire counrtry is "filthy",

everyone who lives there is "filthy" too.

We are just moments away from someone pulling out First Amendment card. Oh wait, hiding that racist creed is already compared to ... STALINISM!!!

[BlueStreak]

86. Well, that actually is true, depending on how poetic a person is trying to be

Look folks. India has a HUGE problem where they have consistently looked the other way as thousands of women are raped every year. It is so bad that it is fair to say that the culture of that country is that men feel entitled to rape women, with the expectation that there will be no consequences. It took the most horrifying of attacks followed by strong international condemnation to get India to take any action whatsoever.

That is filthy, and only a misogynist could defend that. Yes, on that basis, the entire country is damned.

That doesn't mean there aren't good people there. Obviously there are many Indians who wish their country were not like this, but until now, they have been powerless to do anything about it.

We should not be apologizing for India. We should be demanding that if they want to be treated like a developed nation, they must act like one in all respects including treatment of women.

[idwiyo]

90. Are you seriously suggesting that entire country consists of rapists?

If I am not mistaken, rape mentality is damn alive and strong everywhere, including so called first world countries.

Sorry, I am not going to condemn entire country including the women and men who condemn this mentality. Might I remind you that women make at least 50% of population of that country?

Also, I'd love to see some proof that all males in India condone rapes. Even if majority of them do, it's still doesn't mean that entire country should be called "filthy". That is a racist attitude.

[BlueStreak]

93. I condemn the ENTIRE country for maintaining this rape culture

Yes, there are places in Africa and elsewhere where slaughters and rapes continue. But none of those countries wants to be regarded as a first world country and included at the table along with countries like the US, Brazil, Germany, UK, France et al.

The US does not have a rape culture (other than in the sports world, I suppose.) Yes, there are many rapes, but a high percentage of them are prosecuted, and nobody suggests authorities should look the other way because women should be available for our pleasure.

And there there is China and Russia who are already at the table. I condemn that entire country for its human right record. That is not the same thing as saying every Chinese individual is a horrible person. Can you see the difference between a country versus the individuals who live under that regime? We can and should condemn the regime without condemning its victims. That is what I took the OP to be, although it wasn't stated very well.

[idwiyo]

94. Including women & children. Do you also condemn entire US for been racist?

Entire Israel for their government's policies against Palestinians? Just as an example.

[BlueStreak]

97. Yes, and yes

Yes, I condemn America for allowing racism to continue to be a major force in 2014.

Yes, I condemn the government of Israel for their violence against Palestine and their systematic undermining of every effort to bring peaceful solutions to that region.

That is not the same thing as saying that every American and every Israeli is a bad person.

[idwiyo]

100. You condemn entire India (including women and childern) for rapes.

You condemn entire US (including majority of population who are not racist and President) for racism.

But you don't condemn entire Israel for their government's policy? Why is that? Shouldn't ALL Israelis (inclufing those of Palestinian origin) be guilty because of the actions of their government?

[BlueStreak]

102. I condemn the NATION of India for maintaining a rape culture

What is hard to understand about that?

I can condemn persistent American racism without anybody thinking that is an attack on Rosa Parks. I have explained it 3 times now. It is not a complicated concept. Nations and individual people are two different things.

[idwiyo]

106. You forgot to condemn entire nation of Israel for the actions of their government.

[BlueStreak]

110. No I didn't. See post #97

"Yes, I condemn the government of Israel for their violence against Palestine and their systematic undermining of every effort to bring peaceful solutions to that region. "

[idwiyo]

113. You condemn the government, not the nation. Why's that?

[BlueStreak]

137. I don't make a distinction between the two

In the case of subjugating women, the government represents "the nation". This is a culture where women are traded into marriage by their fathers. Women are raped without consequences. It is all part of a culture that regards women as if meat at the butcher shop. Does every single Indian man feel this way? Of course not. But enough of them do to preserve this as the dominant culture. As the OP said, it is filthy.

And it seems that times are starting to change. We should be encouraging that change rather than apologizing for the way this country has regarded its women.

[idwiyo]

147. Really? You sure did when it came to India & US vs Israel.

[BlueStreak]

149. WTF are you talking about? I AM talking about India.

What is your point? Is there any point at all?

[idwiyo]

154. I am talking about you post #97.

[BlueStreak]

155. What is your point? I answered your question.

I don't care whether you agree with me or not. But I can't even tell what you are saying, one way or another. I have work to do, so I can't spend any more time on this.

[get the red out]

133. Thank you

It seems way to easy for people to say that stating an unpleasant truth about a country is equivalent to demonizing the whole population, this is not the case.

[CreekDog]

132. how can it be against the rules to call an entire country a "filthy nation"

i mean what's next? can't call and entire race or ethnicity filthy?

is the N-word out too?

[Systematic Chaos]

158. Just for the record:

I do not know BlueJazz. I hardly even remember if I'd read any of that person's other posts.

So, while I do in fact have some degree of "radar" with this site and as I already stated, there are several people on it, I put my own "tag" on that jury decision out of pure disgust and anger over the text of the post in question as well as a couple of others in that same sub-thread.

I read that shit and I was thoroughly pissed off, and I expunged that anger in a way which seemed both relatively harmless and quite cathartic at the time.

[Warren Stupidity]

163. it violated community standards.

Seems pretty clear to me. TOS (which is what I guess you mean by TOU) is only one reason to hide. Post stuff that people find vile and it will get hidden.

[HappyMe]

85. I think it's a good hide.

We have people here of Indian heritage, and that's a crappy thing to say.

[oldhippie]

91. We have people here of Southern heritage .....

... and we sure say crappy things about them.

[HappyMe]

92. Yes, I know.

It sure as hell isn't me though. I dislike that broad brushing bullshit, and said so in the big smack-a-thon yesterday.

[BlueStreak]

95. There is no problem with a broad brush if that is understood

It is a fact that "the South" has a lot of things worthy of criticism, especially when you look at their lack of commitment to education, worker's rights, health care, gun violence and many other issues. I see no problem with pointing out accurate facts about a region, even though not every person who lives in that region endorses those things.

I am sure there are millions of people in India who think it is wrong that their culture is so supportive of misogyny and rape. But it is also true that the country as a whole has a rape culture, and nobody should be bullied into not pointing this out.

[HappyMe]

98. Facts are one thing.

A lot of it is just bashing for the sake of bashing though. It turns into a big 'you suck!' pile-on.

[BlueStreak]

99. I don't defend the wording of the OP

and I understand how some could take that as a "you suck" thing. But given this is an OPINION board, not a fact-checking site, I don't think we hold every post to a high factual standard. 95% of what is posted here is opinion. Juries should not hide posts just because they disagree with the opinion. Free speech is a core value for a democratic system. Let the words speak for themselves.

Again, there is nothing in TOU that addresses posts that might offend a generic nation. TOU deals with insults and attacks on individual members of this forum, and there was no such attack in this instance.

IMHO, the jury was irresponsible - a virtual lynch mob.

[HappyMe]

103. We will have to agree to disagree then.

Do you hold that "...insults and attacks on individual members of this forum, and there was no such attack in this instance." across the board, no matter what or whom is attacked?

[BlueStreak]

109. Can you please point out the attack on any INDIVIDUAL?

I'll admit that I don't follow the OPers entire body of work and I didn't read every single post on the thread that contained the hidden post. But I did not see any case where any DU member was singled out for attack or personal insult. If I missed that, please point that out and you will have my apology.

[HappyMe]

114. I don't require any apology.

Nor am I going to dig through a bunch of posts, I don't do that kind of thing. As I said, we will have to agree to disagree.

As I asked in my other post do you apply the personal insult only thing across the board, or are there exceptions?

[BlueStreak]

117. Not "exceptions" but matters of degree

India wants to be held in the same esteem as first world nations, and they want all the economic privileges that confers. Therefore I apply a different standard to their society than I would the Congo, for example.

[HappyMe]

118. lol! Nice sleight of hand.

Oh of course, because the Congo comes up regularly.

[BlueStreak]

120. Well, OK. Afghanistan then

Afghanistan isn't claiming to be first world. They deserve criticism, but it is not the same thing as a supposed first-world nation systematically maintaining a culture where rape and subjugation of women are permitted.

[oldhippie]

112. I think the jury reacted more to the "filthy" comment .....

..... rather than the rape culture. People thought that was nasty.

It is a fact that "the South" has a lot of things worthy of criticism, especially when you look at their lack of commitment to education, worker's rights, health care, gun violence and many other issues. I see no problem with pointing out accurate facts about a region, even though not every person who lives in that region endorses those things.

I will also say, having been in India and other parts of SE Asia, it is generally filthy. That's a fact, though it does not describe everywhere.

[BlueStreak]

115. I agree. I would not have put it that way

But it is not an attack on any individual DU member, and is not a violation of TOU. Moreover, it is largely accurate, even if that is unpleasant for the gentle readers here.

I suggest most of the people who object to that turn of phrase might feel differently if they had spent some time in India. There are some developed parts that look a lot like modern cities elsewhere (and some people might say that New York is "filthy" -- I would not.) But there are also large parts of the country with open sewage and no trash containment, and these would meet anybody's definition of "filthy".

However, I took "filthy" to mean the country's attitude toward women, not trash in the streets.

[oldhippie]

122. Now that's interesting ......

However, I took "filthy" to mean the country's attitude toward women, not trash in the streets.

And that interpretation never even entered my mind. I took "filthy" in the literal sense, as "trash in the streets."

Isn't it interesting how people can look at the exact same, seemingly unambiguous, words and find different meanings?

[Warren Stupidity]

164. well, no I really don't think statements like: "all southerners are red necked racist idiots"

gets said a lot. Instead the usual statement is more like "we'd be better off if the south was its own separate nation", at which point a shit storm occurs where the offended claim that this observation condemns all southerners as being red necked racist idiots.

[Number23]

175. Props to you and that jury. Seriously.

[Systematic Chaos]

9. Off to find someplace less "filthy" I take it?

[Demo_Chris]

11. See you, hopefully you find somewhere that suits you better. :)

[Brother Buzz]

12. Hello I Must Be Going

[think]

13. stay for the music....

happy holidays

[hfojvt]

14. if you go there will be trouble

and if you stay it will be double.

GD - where more than opinions clash

[fadedrose]

19. Why?

[Electric Monk]

21. See post #10

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024202349#post10

[fadedrose]

24. Thank you . . .

Don't know what to say ......

Maybe if we knew the reason for this attitude it may have gone differently for cause in a limited area. But India's a very big country and it can't be all filthy....

[liberal_at_heart]

75. I can't see #10. I guess I have that person on ignore. Apparently for good reason.

[idwiyo]

83. OP had their post hidden, hence GBCW.

link to hidden post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=677870

Good riddance, IMNSHO

[Electric Monk]

20. As GBCDU posts go...

[Courtesy Flush]

22. I will never say goodbye here.

Why? because I don't know any of you, and will probably never meet you. It's so much easier to get along this way. If I leave, no one would notice. It's refreshing, after my other experiences.

I was part of another discussion forum that was centered around sailing. Before long, we started getting together, and having meetups. I've spent the night in their homes, and several have slept over in mine. Sounds good, but it just got uglier and uglier.

Being in a red state, you can imagine the hate that rained down on me for being liberal. I've even been banned from meetups solely because they didn't like my political posts on facebook.

Seriously, avoid any website where you're likely to actually meet the members. Well, I guess dating sites would be an exception.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

52. just don't date rethuglican mouth breathers. lololol.

sorry to hear of your real world sailing/sleep over experiences that went south.

[johnp3907]

23. Where ya goin'?

India?
Oh, well...... Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya.

[petronius]

28. If that's your decision, then goodbye and best wishes

But maybe just take a break and think it over?

[NYC_SKP]

31. Thank you for being nice, petronius.

I don't know why people want to be so mean.

[Logical]

32. Because why announce it? Just leave! nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

41. some people after posting for so long decide to state their intentions to leave

some do leave never to return and others are back to posting after a cooling off period.

It is nice to provide a welcoming environment to long time posters rather than to further alienate them with hateful replies.

[Th1onein]

64. Absolutely, Pretzel_Warrior.

We should provide a welcoming environment all of the time. We are liberals, after all.

[1000words]

74. +1

All of the time.

[HangOnKids]

33. Mean? Maybe some think the GBCW post was false BS

Who are you to be arbitrating the posts on DU?

[chillfactor]

53. same here....

some people here seem joyful about hurting others.....I will never understand that kind of attitude..they must be very sourful people themselves....

[painesghost]

60. A lot of people are big men in women from the safety of their anonymous screen name.

Most people who are openly rude on the internet are the last people who would risk saying something to someone's face. They might talk behind your back, but would never have the guts to come say it to your face.

[Th1onein]

66. Oh God, how true.

They are, for the most part, cowards, I think.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Yup, and if will not say what I think of this

On DU anymore. It's worthless when you have people who actually think it's nothing

[Warren Stupidity]

165. the departee did not bother to explain its departure at all.

And when it got explained down thread, um, what exactly are we being nice about? and why?

[NYC_SKP]

166. Because:

You never know, and kindness requires restraint with anger and belittlement.

[NoOneMan]

34. Have a good one.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

38. Hey, I've been there before. In fact, maybe I'll join you.

(just kidding) I was trying to get a few hearts beating quickly before I let them and you know I am sticking around for now.

Maybe after a break you'll be on top of the world and kicking with the best of the kangaroos.

[SMC22307]

111. Were you successful in getting hearts beating quickly...

or have you overstated your significance at DU?

[Th1onein]

56. Hey, BlueJazz, I hope you don't leave.

I see how some people respond to others on this board. Sometimes, I, myself, respond rudely. I think that people just don't think how their words will sound, when written, instead of spoken. And, the anonymity that we have on these forums encourages those would are rude and cruel, to be well, rude and cruel. But there are good people here. Don't let the bad ones run you off. Stand together with those who care.

[BainsBane]

63. BlueJazz, I really appreciate your contributions here

and hope you reconsider your decision to leave. I would also caution you against judging an entire nation or people based on what you see on the news. Places have good and bad characteristics. That is true for the US and for India.

Please know that you are appreciated here.

[11 Bravo]

87. I knew if I scrolled down far enough someone would eventually compose a ...

thoughtful and coherent response. Well said!

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. I am sorry to see you go

I wish you well and good luck in all your future pursuits.

[Waiting For Everyman]

76. A run-in with any given ad hoc faction of other DUers doesn't mean a thing.

You're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else is, and your opinion is as valid as anyone else's is.

Happy Holidays, BlueJazz!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

145. no it's not. there is a range of opinion that is acceptable on du, and a broad range that is not

look at the community guidelines if you think i am just making shit up. we have guidelines of acceptable opinions on du.

[Waiting For Everyman]

150. And that applies to hides here, not what is valid beyond that.

The hide was had, so what are you complaining about?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

151. it applies to more than just hides, we PPR people for their opinions

also, i am not complaining, i am just telling you that you are incorrect in your comments. His opinion is not "as valid as anyone else's is." if it was it would not have been hidden, and we not be having this conversation.

[Waiting For Everyman]

157. When DU can PPR and hide people in real life,

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then I might be incorrect in my comments, as you put it. That could be a long wait.


ETA: I also should point out that a different jury could easily return opposite results; which means that what is acceptable is "in the eye of the beholder" times six, one snapshot moment at a time. (Which was largely what I had in mind in my initial post.) That is no bright line to condemn anyone's opinions by. I would sooner side with someone whose opinion I disagree with, than someone who seeks to determine the rightness of others' opinions.

[Marrah_G]

89. Goodbye BlueJazz

Happy Holidays!

[Octafish]

96. Farewell, BlueJazz!

Please return -- if you can, and when you want.

You're one of the longtime, good Bruces.

[liberal N proud]

101. Where are you going?

[Cyrano]

108. "Brevity is the soul of wit." William Shakespeare

[snooper2]

116. You didn't leave LOL, you can't post your "last post bye cruel world", then post again...

That's like totally faking it....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12594419

[dipsydoodle]

140. That don't count

Its ATA.

[edbermac]

121. You say Goodbye and I say Hello

[darkangel218]

123. You goofed up, got a hide

Now you're pissed and wanna leave.

Umm, I say you're going to change your mind by tomorrow

( don't ask me how I know )

[Th1onein]

127. I have a lot of respect for you, darkangel218, and I didn't expect this from you, of

all people.

We really need to treat people better here, and be more respectful of their feelings.

[darkangel218]

139. How was i disrespectful?

I was saying I posted some goodbye threads too when I was upset, and the OP will change his/her mind.

Think whatever you want though, my post wasn't ill meant in any way shape or form.

[Th1onein]

143. Okay. Maybe I just took it the wrong way. It is the internet, after all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

142. are we calling racism goofery now?

[darkangel218]

144. Is that what the OP did?

Sorry, I didnt pay attention. I was just commenting on the GBCW post.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

146. he described an entire country as filthy and then went on to say

that we are all allowed to dislike one thing, and his was that country.

i am ok with people disliking specific issues within a country/culture, but to call an entire country/culture filthy is racist.

so yes, that is what he did.

[darkangel218]

148. Thats pretty messed up then. wtf...

[oldhippie]

167. have you traveled much ....

... in the third world? Just asking.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

173. yes, a lot. Also didnt think he was just talking about physical filth. nt

[Iggo]

125. Take it easy.

[Glassunion]

126. Hello

You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello hello

[lostincalifornia]

128. why?

[Rex]

129. Nevermind, I found out why...lame.

ONE hide and you leave?

[get the red out]

135. Don't leave

I've had posts hidden for the same kind of thing, using verbiage people didn't like about another culture in defense of women's human rights. That's why my tag line is "I am not a good liberal" because I'm not, I find fault with anyone who wants to ignore the abuse of women in favor of cultural preference.

[steve2470]

138. Don't go, I think most of us can relate

I've said a few unfortunate/unwise things at DU, and been harshly criticized for them. I learned what I needed to learn, and I'm still here. Take a break, reflect upon your hide experience and come back. I think the community is very forgiving of ordinary human frailty. What the community is not forgiving about, is a refusal to learn and apologize when appropriate.

I don't know you but obviously some here like you. Take the week or two week break and come back refreshed. I wish you all the best. Happy holidays.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

141. good riddance. nt

[Number23]

176. I couldn't agree more. Particularly after I got a PM from him earlier this year that said

"Yeah..but you were born in India ..which isn't a country at all...just a shit-hole for trash."

He didn't even try to hide it. And the alert I sent on this PM apparently went nowhere.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

179. yeah, his dislike for india is not rational. i mean sure people can dislike a culture to a degree

but his degree sounded a little like a personal obsession

[zappaman]

153. ok

[Rex]

162. Best response ever to a GBCW thread imo!

And over ONE hide! The skin be thin on that one methinks.

[JI7]

170. you are leaving because you got 1 hide ?

[JI7]

171. there was this also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=147439

do a search on his name and india .

[Spirochete]

172. Shouldn't leave after just one hide

if you're going to leave, (which you shouldn't, IMO),you should really go nuts, and run up a whole rack of hides...