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rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:37 PM Dec 2013

Frankly I Am Already Tired Of The 2016 POTUS Elections



... Right now I think our energy should be on keeping the pressure on the current POTUS and the congress to do the right thing.

We have no promises from Hilary or Elizabeth Warren.

Lets focus on the issues of today and hope for a better tomorrow. Two years is to long of a campaign season let alone three.

Sorry for being a party pooper





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Frankly I Am Already Tired Of The 2016 POTUS Elections (Original Post) rsmith6621 Dec 2013 OP
So am I, rsmith. elleng Dec 2013 #1
Gov Dean and DFA are largely responsible for jaysunb Dec 2013 #3
YES.... D.W.S has been a disapointment rsmith6621 Dec 2013 #4
+1 russspeakeasy Dec 2013 #15
We do have a promise from Warren. longship Dec 2013 #2
There seems to be a force out there... rsmith6621 Dec 2013 #5
Costs a lot, yup! longship Dec 2013 #10
This........... Beacool Dec 2013 #7
Thank you longship. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #17
Please Don't Take the "2016" Bait WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #6
. Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #8
+1 n/t jaysunb Dec 2013 #9
Woo Hoo! longship Dec 2013 #12
I did. WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #13
Very well said, but who's listening? TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #18
People can yell Hillary or Warren forever, doesn't bother me. Rex Dec 2013 #11
Get with the program 1000words Dec 2013 #14
I agree with you Yo_Mama Dec 2013 #16
And you think this is bad? Wait till it starts. TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #19
I feel the election of 2016 will make or break us. If Clinton wins, the middle class is doomed. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #20
With ya all the way, rsmith. oldandhappy Dec 2013 #21
Have fun changing all those (R)s minds next year, especially as all those criminals walk free Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #22

elleng

(130,740 posts)
1. So am I, rsmith.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:46 PM
Dec 2013

I'm afraid Dems will fail to take advantage of openings repugs have provided and will provide, due to Dem's failure properly to organize. We should be able to take the House in 2014, and the country sure as hell needs that to happen. Gov. Dean should lead us.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
3. Gov Dean and DFA are largely responsible for
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:56 PM
Dec 2013

the victories in Virgina. Over a year ago DFA began an all out campaign to win this years races. They have not sought or received credit for their (our) role in this display of successful organizing and GOTV.

I'm very sorry that most of our leading Democratic policy makers refuse to do the obvious by putting Gov. Dean back in a leadership position. Proudly and permanently.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. We do have a promise from Warren.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:55 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:59 PM - Edit history (1)

She's promised to finish her Senate term, which means she isn't going to run for Pres or Veep in 2016. But some live in a dream world and keep flapping their gums about Warren 2016. Myself, I think we need somebody just like her in the US Senate where she will undoubtedly do great things.

I, too, am sick of the Fantasy Football 2016 Presidential Election.

That's all it is right now. Especially when it includes Warren, who has made it very clear that she's not interested. But in some people's fantasy team she's the number one draft pick.

Have fun, people. But they don't call it fantasy football for nothing.

on edit: the same for Hillary Clinton on the fantasy team (or not).

rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
5. There seems to be a force out there...
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:08 PM
Dec 2013


..... that wants to distract us form solving today's problems with today's elected official.

and we wonder why Obama took money from corps we all talk bad about here on DU. Cause it cost $$$ to run a long term campaign.

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. Costs a lot, yup!
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:48 PM
Dec 2013

Especially when people want to start the next Presidential campaign within a year of the last presidential election. The longer the campaign, the more costly.

So if one wants to cut money from campaigns, why do people want us to be perpetually in presidential campaigns? That sounds like a Republican wet dream.

The Brits have a sudden confidence vote in the Commons where the current coalition falls apart. Short weeks later there's a national election which chooses all the MPs and the Prime Minister. Sometimes it happens very quickly. In May, 1940, Churchill had to assemble a new government in two days at the height of world war when Chamberlain resigned under duress due to a confidence vote. He got much of it done. That did not involve a vote, but we've all seen it happen often enough. Maybe the Brits can do this because they are always on the edge of a no confidence vote if things go sour.

It's one thing I admire about the UK.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
17. Thank you longship.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:32 PM
Dec 2013

I voted for Warren as Senator of the Great State of Massachusetts. The GOP tried to crush her when she was up for CFPB...they were terrified of her and rightly so.

She is in a position now to crush them and Wall Street. She will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I do not understand the rush for her to leave that position. Or maybe I do.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
6. Please Don't Take the "2016" Bait
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:12 PM
Dec 2013

(snip)

Let me be perfectly clear: screw Chris Christie. Furthermore, screw Hillary Clinton. And since we're on the subject of erstwhile 2016 candidates almost a thousand days away from the next presidential election, screw Elizabeth Warren, Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, and everyone else who has been insinuated into this utterly idiotic topic.

If you happen to be among those who have spent the precious breath of life talking about any of these people, or anyone else allegedly running for president three years from now, please stop. You are part of the problem, and frankly, you're making me crazy. Get your priorities straight, and turn off the damned television "news."

One cannot swing one's dead cat by the tail without striking some "mainstream news" talking head holding forth on the chances for Hillary, Christie and whoever else in the 2016 election. It is the laziest, most insipid non-story these "journalists" could be reporting on, so of course they are flooding the airwaves with it ... and a lot of people who should know better are taking the bait.

I don't know what percentage of politically-minded people pride themselves on being "outside the mainstream" or "ahead of the game," but if what I'm seeing in real-world conversations as well as all over the internet is any evidence, a whole lot of people have the "mainstream news" fishhook buried through their lip and deep into their gumline.

The 2016 election is all they're talking about on TV, so of course, piles of people who pride themselves on being immune to that pestiferous influence are regurgitating the same crud, because irony is always awesome.

Why do I find all this so irritating? Because there is a tremendously important - dare I say historically pivotal - congressional midterm election happening less than a year from now, and nobody is talking about it. The "news" isn't covering it, which means turnout will be low again, so once more, the craziest 30 percent of yahoo right-wing gun-sucking Jesus-shouting woman-hating gay-bashing America will make this incredibly important decision for the rest of us, and we will get screwed as usual.

The election in 2014 will choose 100 percent of the House of Representatives and 33.3 percent of the Senate. It will choose legislators and governors and school board members and city councilors - the people who do most of the actual governing in America - from sea to shining sea. It will decide, to no small degree, whether President Obama can get anything done aside from rear-guard back-and-fill actions against avowed domestic terrorists in Congress.

The "mainstream" news people clearly don't give a wet fart about the 2014 election cycle. Maybe that's because "Hillary" and "Christie" are big names that drive ratings...and maybe it's because the seemingly-eternal low turnout that happens every midterm (because the importance of midterms is chronically under-reported) opens the barn doors for the kind of congressional maniacs who make it easier for the "mainstream" news people to do their jobs, because all they're good at is reporting on car wrecks.

Just a theory.

Instead of seeing this raw, basic fact for what it is, instead of focusing on the enormously important challenge less than a year away, what I see is a bunch of people who should know better buying into the mainstream-approved 2016 conversation model. If I'm talking about you, here's a hard fact: you're not "outside the mainstream" or "ahead of the game." You're not even interesting. You're a hooked fish, about to be jerked into the suffocating light and thrown into a bucket to drown in the air.

Again.

This obsession with presidential elections is a lot of the reason we are down in the ditch. People need to stop buying into the mainstream media's incessant starhumping urge to focus only on the race for the Oval Office, to the detriment of elections that actually decide who will be running the country. Midterm elections are by orders of magnitude more important than presidential elections on every meaningful level, and when they get ignored, we get the kind of congressional disaster zone we currently endure. As we have learned, a deranged Congress makes the presidency all but irrelevant, and harms us one and all.

The "Elizabeth Warren 2016" phenomenon is a perfect example of this. Senator Warren sits where Ted Kennedy once sat, and Ted Kennedy did more good for Americans than all the presidents he outlasted combined, and he did so without ever becoming president himself. Senator Warren has the potential, and the clear intention, of doing the same kind of good for the people. Because we are obsessed with the presidency and apparently wholly ignorant of the fact that most of the best governing that can happen in America needs to happen in Congress, people want to jerk her up by the roots before she's even been there a year, throw her into a presidential election three years away, and ignore all she can accomplish right where she is.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/20031-please-dont-take-the-2016-bait

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. People can yell Hillary or Warren forever, doesn't bother me.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:50 PM
Dec 2013

I pass those by mostly since I'm going to vote for whoever ends up being the candidate.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
14. Get with the program
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:01 PM
Dec 2013

The priority right now is to express shock and outrage over the fact that an older, white male from the deep South has been exposed as a homophobic racist.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. I agree with you
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:06 PM
Dec 2013

It seems politically futile, at best. Three years of this presidential term are left, and I don't want a four year presidential campaign.

It doesn't bother me when people look for the next candidate, but I don't think it should become an infighting thing.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. I feel the election of 2016 will make or break us. If Clinton wins, the middle class is doomed.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:24 AM
Dec 2013

We cant survive another 8 years of Wall Street rule. It's do or die. Progressives must start today and rally around progressive candidates at all levels of government. We must get a progressive candidate for president in 2016. We must start now to overcome the tremendous advantage Clinton has. Almost like an incumbent.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
21. With ya all the way, rsmith.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:57 AM
Dec 2013

And it is important anyway, to work for 2016 that is. I have recently signed up to be a precinct worker for 2014 with the intent to also do it in 2016. Use your clicker. We do not have to watch all the speculation.

My cat likes to curl up in my lap when I am in my TV chair. She always curls with her face away from the light of the TV. Smart cat! We all can do that. I have started reading more in preparation for avoiding the 2016 chatter.

Take care of yourself!

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
22. Have fun changing all those (R)s minds next year, especially as all those criminals walk free
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 01:57 PM
Dec 2013

One of the main issues of today is corruption and it's not being addressed by very many people running for office in 2014. Therefore, I say to all those who say to stop thinking about 2016 to stop thinking about a superficial political win and start thinking about the U.S. and what's actually going to be good for all of us.

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