STOP IT DU!!! STOP SHAMING CREEPS!!!

[boston bean]

[Iggo]

1. Um, okay.

[LanternWaste]

2. Doggonit... what about my God-given right to stare and leer at anything I want to

Doggonit... what about my God-given right to stare and leer at anything I want to, and then pretend I'm being oppressed when people simply tell me I'm being rude???!!!

[Iggo]

7. It's your damn job to stare at pretty girls!

I ain't sayin' it's right. Just that's the way it is, is all.

[PDJane]

3. congrats, bean. I've been sniggering at the stuff going on......

Mind, there were a couple of young people yesterday, dressed as gingerbread men, going around doing minor things to help people out. They stopped the traffic for us, helped my mother and her walker across the street and over the curb, and received high fives and applause...even from the drivers! Pretty cool......

[Squinch]

4. Yeah, well, if women didn't want to be ogled, they wouldn't wear those breast things everywhere!

This has been the most fun day on DU in a long time.

[boston bean]

6. I know... It's a frickin blast! And to think those who are missing it due to the Holiday!

Well, it will be written here in perpetuity for them to enjoy for a long long time!.

[Squinch]

8. I literally have tears in my eyes from laughing.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

50. that's right!

And right there in front of em too! Like, it's the first thing that walks in the room!!! What's a dude supposed to do? Keep it in his pants? Not act on his biological instincts no matter where or when they...pop up?

It's different than when women look at a hawt dude: we're not gonna fire them or yell crap at them if they don't like us invading their personal space.

[liberalmuse]

5. Okay, I admit it. I may have ogled a few...

...and even hit on a couple. But they were the ones who came out in public with these really short posts and I could practically see right through them. It's like they were begging for it! I AM NOT A CREEP SHAMER!!!

[NYC_SKP]

19. But do you dress up to make yourself attactive, duh? Come ON! It's their JOB!!!

.

It is their job to approach and it is their job to ask for dates and numbers.

[Squinch]

21. You're killing me!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

49. lololol!!!!!

[Ganja Ninja]

9. Thank You for feeling my pain.

[Squinch]

61. We're here to protect you. We're here to take responsibility for our breasts!

[LumosMaxima]

10. We need to show more tolerance for the Creepy-American community.

They're not pervs. They're "differently visual."

[NuclearDem]

11. Ah, good to know someone agrees.

The world revolves around my satisfied penis!

DOORS GODDAMNIT

[Squinch]

13. Don't you start about those doors! The poor men are evolutionarily programmed and can't help

themselves!

And you know what? I heard of a whole town in Louisiana where the feminists cut off the arms of all the men who held doors open for them! And then they cut off their penises and sent them to Gloria Steinem!

So it's NO JOKE!

(I don't think I mentioned to you before that I thought that "penises to Gloria Steinem" line should go into SOME hall of fame. Bravo!)

[zappaman]

12. Everybody do The Creep!

[uppityperson]

14. And you say you are open minded? How DARE you be intolerant of people being nasty to others?

I mean I am SERIES!!!!!111111


But seriously, DU amazes me sometimes. k&r

[Ganja Ninja]

15. It's really not that bad, I'm use to it.

[Squinch]

22. LOL

[NYC_SKP]

16. It's a sad sad day when Creeps have to ENDURE the endless heartless shaming. I shake my head.

..

[geek tragedy]

17. If God didn't want women to be ogled, he wouldnt' have given them boobs nt

[politichew]

18. Stop...

Shaming this guy:



For what's hanging out for this guy:

[Squinch]

23. You may have missed the point.

[asjr]

46. But it is not hanging out.

[dixiegrrrrl]

20. what about crawls? are crawls ok???

[xulamaude]

24. Holy cow, what'll be next? RAPIST shaming?!

Won't someone pleeeeeez think of the poor rapists?

[Squinch]

26. Personaly, I am fed up with all the Green River Killer shaming. Really!

[boston bean]

33. Serial Killers... you gotta understand it was their job

to defile womens bodies, control them and them squeeze the life out of them. They couldn't stop themselves it was their god given job to do this...

Do I really need to add this:

[Squinch]

25. I just got told that women ogle women's breasts just as much as men do!!!!!

MRA BINGO!!!

[boston bean]

27. Lucky you! You won the SUPER Bingo!

[Squinch]

31. I thought it was a myth! But there it is! Super bingo!

[boston bean]

34. Double Pot and all! B-I-N-G-O!!!!

[politichew]

35. Science.

Using eye-tracking technology, psychologists Sarah Gervais and Michael Dodd recently found that among 29 female and 36 male college students, the women were just as guilty of the "objectifying gaze" as their male peers.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-say-women-stare-at-other-womens-chests-as-much-as-men/

[xulamaude]

37. I am BLINDED by your science! nt

[politichew]

39. Take it up with Sarah Gervais and Michael Dodd.

Don't shoot the messenger.

[xulamaude]

42. I'm not shooting the messenger, rather

laughing at the messenger.

Lighten up already.

[Squinch]

38. Well THAT settles it! That study there that doesn't say anything like

"women ogle women's breasts just as much as men do."

[politichew]

40. What part of

"the women were just as guilty of the "objectifying gaze" as their male peers"

is confusing?

[Squinch]

44. Where do we find out exactly what made them characterize

a look as "objectifying." From what you posted, there is no definition other than length of time. However, in the study, the participants were asked to look at the photos. So we can assume they will be looking at the photos as asked.

The photos were photoshopped to show either more or less curves. We don't know how the photoshopped photos looked. Were they unnatural looking? Were they photoshopped badly? That could as easily explain someone looking at part of a photo for a longer period of time.

So no, it's not confusing. It's simply an unconvincing study that is not showing the conclusions that you seem to think it does.

[seabeyond]

28. no, no. we are not allowed ot feel ick, shame or hold value judgment on anything. further, we MUST

respect and be tolerant of all behavior regardless of the issues it causes others.

[Kurovski]

29. Creeps is "peepholes", too!

Defend the right to wide-eyed sight.

[Egalitarian Thug]

30. I've apparently missed another pie fight, can someone post a link, please? n/t

[boston bean]

43. ok...

start here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=12196

Then here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4215971

Then here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4217568

Then this thread here we are posting in....

woops forgot this one... probably goes after the second link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4217205

[Egalitarian Thug]

45. Oh, another day with the MRA. Thank you for putting this together for me.

They've been a lot more vocal the last few weeks, or at least out of their hole.

[madrchsod]

78. the hottest topic in gd this week.....

good thing i missed all of this "male gaze" bullshit.

shit i was told by 3 girls in my 8th grade class that i had a nice butt....

[hootinholler]

48. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1002

[Atman]

32. Is this appropriate? I thought it was against TOS to carry over a thread like this.

You're not saying anything new that wasn't in that last thread (or about twenty others!) Just sayin'. Carry on!

[Vox Moi]

36. The Shame old song

[link:

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[Wounded Bear]

41. Hey, dirty old men need love, too.

[ismnotwasm]

47. Oh, ok.

Can I make my Rottweiler bark at them?

[zeemike]

51. So does that mean that shaming is wrong?

Or is it just creeps that are wrong?...which begs the question, are sluts wrong or is it the shaming of them that is wrong?
Creeps is s subjective judgment of a personality trait and so is slut.
Shaming is an action taken...with intent to modify behavior with hurtful words.
So does a subjective judgment justify the action taken?....and if it is for one why not all?

[xulamaude]

52. Creep and sl*t are

personality traits?

Never mind there is no such thing as a sl*t.

[zeemike]

58. No they are subjective judgments

of personality traits...just as if you say someone is crazy...it is your judgment that they are not a fact.

[geek tragedy]

68. what negative effect does sexual promiscuity have on the person trying to

'slut'-shame women?

Answer: none.

Creeps are by definition those who disturb, harass, or otherwise behave in a way to make (mostly) women feel uncomfortable.

[zeemike]

71. Perhaps it makes them feel uncomfortable.

Just like it makes (mostly) women feel according to you.
What about gay men coming on to strait men?...if that makes them uncomfortable are they creeps too?... can I be offended if a gay man checks out my ass?...and can I shame him as a creep?

[geek tragedy]

72. okay, you're comparing creeps to gay men now, I'm gonna leave you alone

on this island you've built for yourself.

toodles

[geek tragedy]

60. Creep shaming is a bogus term used by male supremacists

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Creep_shaming

There is nothing wrong with exploring one's sexuality with many partners. There is definitely something wrong with being a creep.

[zeemike]

63. And so is creep and slut.

But you are saying that slut is bogus but creep is not?
Which goes back to the question of why one is OK but the other not?
It is just that I am sick of name calling and labeling...and if you dislike it in others then be consistent and not do it yourself.

[geek tragedy]

64. yes, different because 'slut' describes something that is that person's business and

their business alone.

'creep' describes a man in terms of his own behavior directed towards other human beings.

'creepy' refers to how someone makes other people feel.

So, very much different.

[zeemike]

67. So does that mean I can call you a creep?

If I think you make me feel bad?
And can a woman be a creep?...or is this gender specific like slut?
How about ball buster...which describes how some woman make men feel?...is that OK with you?
It is not different, it is labeling and name calling no matter what you want to believe.

[geek tragedy]

69. sure women can be creeps, just like they can be sexual harassers and rapists.

"if I think you make me feel bad"

Oy. So, in other words, women shouldn't try to shame men who behave in creepy behavior, because creepiness isn't the problem, it's using the word 'creepy.'

[zeemike]

73. Nope you miss the point.

Shaming is the action, creep it the judgment.
And if I want, I can judge anything as creepy whether it is an action or not....that person looks like a creep, sounds like a creep...is a creep.

[geek tragedy]

74. yes, you object to women criticizing men for the behavior of those men towards women.

"shut up" you explained to the women.

[zeemike]

75. No I don't object at all

But tell them to their face when they do it...that is what I would do if offended by something...and what most women do that I have known.
What I object to is making sweeping statements and turning it into an outrage post.

[geek tragedy]

77. Do you realize that the OP is making fun of an example of

making sweeping statements and turning it into an outrage post.

Also, what you just wrote in no way articulates an argument as to why women should not describe men who engage in creepy behavior as creepy.

[zeemike]

79. Oh I realize it.

And that one outrage deserves another...and on and on it goes...building hostility.

And if it does not articulate and argument against it then it is OK for others to do the same...and soon we can all feel outraged about one another and things in general.

[riqster]

53. Boris the Spider may be dead, but he still should not be shamed.

He was creepy AND crawley, ya know: http://m.

&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJWpz2OYf1QU

[ecstatic]

54. What did I miss? How did the creep meme originate?

I'm so lost

[Iggo]

57. This.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024217568

[Squinch]

62. The post Iggo pasted came out of discussions of this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024214731

Really, treat yourself. GO through all the "male gaze" and "creep" threads.

Hilarious.

[ecstatic]

65. omg! We're definitely in holiday mode! nt

[Squinch]

66. Oh, yeah!

[Whisp]

55. awww, poor little creepy babies!

[BainsBane]

56. While you're ad it, stop blaming rapists

Why would women wear make up if they weren't asking for it? They grow breasts don't they? What do they expect will happen?

[santamargarita]

59. It's in my DNA...

[cherokeeprogressive]

70. Sluts too. Stop shaming sluts. It's way past time.

Down with shaming.

[Number23]

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