Man-Shaming is Protected Speech

[Diego_Native 2012]

Apparently there are many on the discussion threads who love to make blanket statements about the vileness of men. Men ogle. Men leer. Men objectify.

And that seems to be perfectly okay. After all, they're men. They're responsible for everything wrong in the world...even hangnails, apparently. I mean, really, is there anything we cannot blame on men? Seems not. Seems it is open season on vilifying and debasing an entire gender because at some point a man made you feel bad about your self or...gasp...uncomfortable and icky.

And don't dare call them on their BS. For that they will attack you...you, personally. Because in their world, the only thing worse than men is a man who won't knuckle under to their brand of bullying.

So...farewell DU.

Maybe one day you'll understand free-speech.

[xulamaude]

1. Bye.

Don't let the door hit ya'...

[hrmjustin]

2. We understand free speech fine. Bye!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

3. don't forget your club and animal skin on the way out

[boston bean]

4. bub bye!

[LanternWaste]

5. So... your date this past weekend didn't go too well, hmm?

So... your date this past weekend didn't go too well, hmmm?

[NoOneMan]

6. So is woman-shaming

We all know better than to beat that drum.

But for the time being, its pretty cool to man-hate ugly leerers

[geek tragedy]

7. .

[Skidmore]

8. Ah Jeez, Louise.

[kcr]

9. Goodbye!

[quinnox]

10. So don't knuckle under...

Have fun with it instead. I do! You can only be bullied if you allow it.

[NoOneMan]

11. +1

[Harmony Blue]

12. Our society still hasn't adjusted

yet where we all recognize everyone as equals yet.

Males suffering isn't acknowledge in our society because to do so would take great courage.

[JackRiddler]

13. "Maybe one day you'll understand free-speech."

Free speech is protection from having your writing, speaking or ideas censored or restricted by the government, and ideally from other authorities that may have an actual physical or legal power to prevent you altogether from publishing or public speaking.

Free speech is not a protection from the opinions of others or from others' responses to your opinions. In fact, such a protection is contrary to the idea of free speech. If you talk, you'll also have to hear. That's the free speech of others. If everyone doesn't have it, it's meaningless.

Free speech also does not extend to the editorial policy of publications. It does not mean you get to speak as you like in the New York Times, in the Socialist Worker, on Al Jazeera, or even on the far more open platform known as Democratic Underground.

Sometimes this can be so awfully unfair, how media editors and producers behave, and often it contributes to hegemonic power structures. But as long as they don't gag, fine, arrest or otherwise prevent you from speaking or publishing, they aren't violating your human right to free speech.

I do believe a modern idea of free speech must extend to the freedom for all people to have and run their own sites on the Internet as they see fit. For example, no one's stopping you from finding a Manly Man's Club on this world-wide web and pecking away all of your complaints about the womens to your heart's (or dick's) delight. And it's essential that these be indexed. In a sense, Google is taking over the function of an authority with the power to censor. I think if they kept your problem with women off their index, that would be a form of censorship, because then no one would be able to find your bitter rants who was actually looking for them. But DU doing so (which of course it has not) would not remotely approach that standard.

[freshwest]

40. +1,000

[Egalitarian Thug]

14. What a loss!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

15. There is an ignore button if you don't like such.

Just saying.

[Brickbat]

16. *drinks*

I swear -- hic -- this Butthurt Male Drinking Game is going to give me a heshuva -- heckelfuh -- heckuva Christmas this year.

[redqueen]

24. !

[Sheldon Cooper]

43. Hahahah!!

[xulamaude]

17. Or, you know, you could hang around

and tell "women as a group to grow the eff up".

Wait, you already did that and it didn't go too well. Is that why you're quitting before you get fired?

[freshwest]

41. I missed that thread, uh. Lucky me. Praise be to Skinner for Ignore and Trash Thread! n/t

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[arcane1]

18. Another bogus "free speech" issue?

If you're free to call someone on their BS, they are free to call others on theirs.

[leeroysphitz]

21. Another dead sock puppet?

[kelly1mm]

19. Ummmmmm .... when did DU become the government? You do know that freedom of speech refers to the

prohibition on the government censoring and/or punishing your speech, right?

[rurallib]

20. you can say what you want, but understand it has consequences

saying dumb things gets called out.

[redqueen]

22. Not all men are male chauvinist pigs.

The men who aren't don't seem to get all offended by women discussing the ones who are.

Funny how that works.

[PeaceNikki]

23. HA!

[yellowcanine]

25. Figured all that out after 65 posts, huh?

Maybe it is best if you take your thin skin elsewhere.

[NuclearDem]

26. See ya, Pab. Maybe someday you'll learn what rape culture and misogyny are.

[Iggo]

38. LOL.

[geek tragedy]

44. Man-shaming is the new misandry nt

[BainsBane]

45. I thought it was "creep shaming"?

It's so hard to keep up.

[Squinch]

27. Was someone mean to him? Ok, who did it? Everyone, listen up. Here's

the new free speech definition: you can say anything except something Diego doesn't like.

Everyone got that?



ETA: OOOOPS! It might have been me! But he made a post that said, "Ad hominem. You lose." It's so dopey, I had to say SOMETHING!

[BainsBane]

28. LOL

Parting is such sweet sorrow.

[uppityperson]

29. You posted insults in a protected group got a hide. Goodbye.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=32929

[geek tragedy]

31. "time for women as a group to grow up"

And yet two people voted to not hide that noxious sexism/misogyny.

Whose sock do you think this is?

[xulamaude]

37. Those two jurors chose not to elaborate

on their findings....

[freshwest]

42. Aw, so there it is. But then again, there's always...

[ismnotwasm]

30. Oh stay.

There's no need to leave.

[BainsBane]

33. Willy Wonka said it best.

[freshwest]

47. Oh, stay, huh? Since you asked, got some fine men (and at least one woman) singing here...

[BainsBane]

32. Best GBCW post ever!

[Texasgal]

34. Good BYE!

Safe travels.

[Iggo]

36. Aw, sad!

[CJCRANE]

39. Free Speech: (1) Someone says something. (2) You say your opinion. Repeat as necessary.

It's a simple idea. Try it instead of running away.

BTW I thought it was a good OP until the pathetic "farewell DU" bit.

I don't agree with it 100% but you made an interesting point.

[MadrasT]

46. "Free speech" does not mean "free from criticism".

And if it does not apply to you, no one is talking about you.

If you are feeling defensive, perhaps you need to do some self examination.

It is also really lame to make a half-assed "free speech" argument when what you really mean is "free speech for me but everybody I disagree with should STFU."