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CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:45 PM Dec 2013

Hi, DUers! A post-Christmas Friday Afternoon Challenge for you: “The Beautiful Couples!”

Name the artist and the work AND at least ONE of the two major aspects that they all have in common!

...and without cheating!

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Hi, DUers! A post-Christmas Friday Afternoon Challenge for you: “The Beautiful Couples!” (Original Post) CTyankee Dec 2013 OP
I really don't know... but should actually fascisthunter Dec 2013 #1
You might be right! Nothin's new... CTyankee Dec 2013 #4
never, but the artsists are always original fascisthunter Dec 2013 #67
I think the last one dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #2
I was gonna say what they have in common is bare butts, but # 5 blows my theory. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #3
lots of closed eyes. and there is a fluidness in all. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #5
No, but there ARE lots of closed eyes! CTyankee Dec 2013 #8
#4 is Cupid and Psyche by Francois-Edouard Picot Shrike47 Dec 2013 #6
Hey, good for you? Do you know this painting? CTyankee Dec 2013 #7
No, I just thought of the pairing and found it. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #13
A stab Lithos Dec 2013 #9
Is this your specialty? You have them right of course...but I wonder... CTyankee Dec 2013 #10
My wife knew the pictures Lithos Dec 2013 #12
well, perhaps your wife knows the real commonality of style here... CTyankee Dec 2013 #15
She said you would be looking for Neoclassicism Lithos Dec 2013 #35
Boucher and Fragonard are in the Rococco era. Three others are in neoclassicisim. CTyankee Dec 2013 #44
Dogs love to hang out with the family in the boudoir.... Tikki Dec 2013 #11
I just want to say "Titian" jberryhill Dec 2013 #14
sorry I can't accommodate you here with more Titian... CTyankee Dec 2013 #16
All of them look sort of blurry Aerows Dec 2013 #17
No, they are all oils. CTyankee Dec 2013 #18
LOL Aerows Dec 2013 #19
Actually, you are right! Do you know where that is? CTyankee Dec 2013 #20
OMG! I actually guessed something right? Aerows Dec 2013 #21
well, take a guess. You will probably be right! CTyankee Dec 2013 #22
I was going to say the Louvre Aerows Dec 2013 #25
Oh, don't worry, you got a big one with your earlier guess... CTyankee Dec 2013 #27
I only got it because you pointed me toward location, location, location pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #30
It was the lighting that lead me to that idea Aerows Dec 2013 #32
You did good pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #70
The Louvre? pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #23
It certainly is! CTyankee Dec 2013 #24
Yeah and "they all seem kind of blurry" Aerows Dec 2013 #28
You know, I always get the image on Google blurry first but then it "self corrects" on my computer. CTyankee Dec 2013 #31
You probably have some type of photoshop Aerows Dec 2013 #33
If I do, I'm lucky, because I don't know that I got that! CTyankee Dec 2013 #46
The use of illumination? pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #36
it is not that complicated, really...very simple... CTyankee Dec 2013 #43
You know, that's true. There is no chiarascuro! CTyankee Dec 2013 #45
Naw, the Boucher... jberryhill Dec 2013 #26
Boucher was more about butts really...this wasn't one of them but his biggie at the Louvre was... CTyankee Dec 2013 #29
That's why I'm more of a Titian kind of guy jberryhill Dec 2013 #38
I meant age-wise. I don't display art if I think it exploits children.... CTyankee Dec 2013 #47
How old is the cherub in #6? jberryhill Dec 2013 #64
Usually cherubs are not sexualized in the way that girls are. CTyankee Dec 2013 #65
I thought he went home to Texas pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #34
You are thinking of the Aerows Dec 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Dec 2013 #39
Is there a reason you posted this here? CTyankee Dec 2013 #40
They are all Rubenesque? n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #41
No, Rubens was earlier, in the Baroque era. This was later. However, CTyankee Dec 2013 #42
So ultimately, what was the answer? Aerows Dec 2013 #48
Simply that all the artists on this thread are all French... CTyankee Dec 2013 #49
Oh, is that why all of them are displayed at the Louvre? Aerows Dec 2013 #50
Yes, that is why. I just thought it was interesting after perusing a big art book on the Louvre. CTyankee Dec 2013 #53
Here's an idea Aerows Dec 2013 #54
Oh, thanks, I know folks like it... CTyankee Dec 2013 #56
Since I now know the names of the paintings, redqueen Dec 2013 #51
The Bolt is a different genre from all the others. It is Fragonard and it is Rococco. CTyankee Dec 2013 #55
Fabric! elleng Dec 2013 #52
Well, hi! I like your answer! CTyankee Dec 2013 #57
Mais oui!!! elleng Dec 2013 #59
Altho on second thought I did look at the fabric more and it seemed to be pretty exciting! CTyankee Dec 2013 #61
Quite, elleng Dec 2013 #62
I would say sfumato, but that is only on #6. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2013 #58
We are dealing here with a lot of Neoclassicistist painting by French artists following the French CTyankee Dec 2013 #60
You say sfumahto and I say sfumayto... jberryhill Dec 2013 #63
...let's call the whole thing oeuf pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #66
Did I miss the answer? redqueen Dec 2013 #68
See #9 for the answers pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #69

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
8. No, but there ARE lots of closed eyes!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:12 PM
Dec 2013

Interesting about the fluidness you see...it's a style thing...

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
13. No, I just thought of the pairing and found it.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:24 PM
Dec 2013

I love these Friday afternoon challenges but I have poor visual memory so I always have to look.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
9. A stab
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:15 PM
Dec 2013

1. The Ghosts of Paolo and Francesca Appear to Dante and Virgil - Ary Scheffer
2. Cephalus and Aurora - Francois Boucher
3. The Loves of Paris and Helen - Jacques-Louis David
4. Cupid and Psyche - Francois Picot
5. The Bolt - Jean Honore Fragonard
6. Aurora and Cephalus - Pierre-Narscisse Guerin

Commonality - Rococco style

On edit - my wife helped a lot.

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
10. Is this your specialty? You have them right of course...but I wonder...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:20 PM
Dec 2013

if you know them so well, why did you mess up so badly on the style?

I will await your explanation on that...

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
35. She said you would be looking for Neoclassicism
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:14 PM
Dec 2013

Even though Boucher is pretty much tied only to Rococo.

L-

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
44. Boucher and Fragonard are in the Rococco era. Three others are in neoclassicisim.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:34 PM
Dec 2013

She and you forgot the first one by Scheffer. He was a Romantic era artist (theme and style informs this painting).

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. All of them look sort of blurry
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:37 PM
Dec 2013

and all of them except 2 look a little damaged. Beautiful, though.

Were all of these done in water color instead of oil and that accounts for the blurriness and some of the fading?

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
18. No, they are all oils.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:42 PM
Dec 2013

It's interesting that you say that because I think these works were all pretty well sheltered from the elements (just because of their era), unlike so many frescoes and earlier paintings that used more delicate paint materials.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
19. LOL
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:44 PM
Dec 2013

Just making an observation. I never get any of these right, but I always enjoy looking and giving a crack at it. Is one of the common things where they are displayed?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. OMG! I actually guessed something right?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:54 PM
Dec 2013

No, I don't know where they are, but they all kind of have the same type of lighting on them so I thought maybe they are all being displayed in the same place. LOL.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. I was going to say the Louvre
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

but pinboy3niner beat me to it. He seems to be right quite a bit, so I'll go with that.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
30. I only got it because you pointed me toward location, location, location
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:03 PM
Dec 2013

I thought one was in the Louvre, but I had no idea about the others. Nice work, partner!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. It was the lighting that lead me to that idea
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:04 PM
Dec 2013

I enjoy these but this is the first time I ever got something right!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
70. You did good
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 09:30 AM
Dec 2013

Hang in there, sister. This art dunce started with simple searches, and gradually got better at it. You're already picking up on stuff that I missed. Before you know it, we'll have to issue you your own Art Detctive raincoat...





CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
24. It certainly is!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

Sorry you came after the not so big finish here...I was hoping for more, shall we say, conversation?

Oh, well. Maybe you know the OTHER commonality...and NO, they are not all Roccoco (only 2 actually)...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. Yeah and "they all seem kind of blurry"
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:01 PM
Dec 2013

is already taken, so obviously it is something else LOL!

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
31. You know, I always get the image on Google blurry first but then it "self corrects" on my computer.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:03 PM
Dec 2013

But I don't know anything about computer stuff...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. You probably have some type of photoshop
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:07 PM
Dec 2013

filters installed that correct it for you, or an application dedicated to viewing images.

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
46. If I do, I'm lucky, because I don't know that I got that!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:44 PM
Dec 2013

I certainly didn't know there was an app for that...I am pretty much tech challenged! LOL...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
36. The use of illumination?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:15 PM
Dec 2013

That's just a stab in the dark, so to speak, but the way the artists illuminated the subjects is very noticeable here.

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
45. You know, that's true. There is no chiarascuro!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:39 PM
Dec 2013

but that isn't it. The answer, however, is so simple, really...

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
29. Boucher was more about butts really...this wasn't one of them but his biggie at the Louvre was...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:01 PM
Dec 2013

I don't display it because I think the girl in it is just too young...

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
65. Usually cherubs are not sexualized in the way that girls are.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:28 AM
Dec 2013

Altho the concept of a cherub as an "assistant" of Venus is quite common, the cherub usually doesn't represent an object of child rape. As you know, it is usually in a playful way. AS in playful little angels, puttii.

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
42. No, Rubens was earlier, in the Baroque era. This was later. However,
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:26 PM
Dec 2013

I can see how you would make the connection. The difference is that Rubens women are much fleshier than these. I wonder if there was a cultural difference between the era of art and also of the location (Rubens was in Antwerp Belgium).

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
49. Simply that all the artists on this thread are all French...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:53 PM
Dec 2013

I wish it had been more about the works themselves. That would have been much more interesting.

I had envisioned and hoped for an art thread with my Challenges that would stoke an interest in discussing/discovering art. I am disappointed that there has been a turn of events, as I see it, on this particular Challenge. I won't say anything more, at least now now. I have to think this through...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
50. Oh, is that why all of them are displayed at the Louvre?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:59 PM
Dec 2013

Hey, I think one of the posters cheated. Many of us are sincere about enjoying these threads - I do and I've been following them for over a year and just enjoy the beauty you bring to us, and the education. You can't keep people from cheating, but those that enjoy these and genuinely want to improve their knowledge and appreciate art and culture will challenge themselves and not cheat.

Sorry that happened. Some people seem to think "winning" is more important than learning and enjoying the journey. Poorer are they.

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
53. Yes, that is why. I just thought it was interesting after perusing a big art book on the Louvre.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:05 PM
Dec 2013

Glad you like the Challenge. I liked it too. I'm just rethinking the whole project. It really IS pretty easy to cheat, I know that. It's just discouraging to even think that someone would want to do it. Seems so self defeating. What on earth do you get from it?

Oh well....thank you for your kind words...I do appreciate them!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. Here's an idea
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:09 PM
Dec 2013

Maybe on the next challenge, take a thematic element from a painting and only display a certain portion of it (the most important part - you are the expert, I'm sure you know what that is in each painting). Then as the paintings are guessed, display the whole image and guess what is the common theme. That way it's a harder to cheat.

Make sense? It could be fun for a one off. I don't know how to totally prevent cheating, but I don't know enough about art other than to suggest things that will throw Google Image search off. Using just the thematic elements and removing the rest and having folks guess which is the artist or the genre would work.

Hope that helps, and PLEASE don't stop these, CTYankee, just because some bonehead has to come in and cheat. Many of us that show up in these threads week after week truly enjoy them (even when, like me, they don't know very much). I've learned a lot from these threads. I still love some of the still life pics with the bold colors you've chosen.

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
56. Oh, thanks, I know folks like it...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:21 PM
Dec 2013

and you are right, when I do more thematic elements it is harder to cheat altho one could by just doing a bit of research on one or two on Google. But even so, that's what I really want people to do, in order to enjoy the art even more, so I really don't object AT ALL when they do that!

And I have done "details' of paintings to illuminate a theme on a thread. So it can work out OK...

I cannot tell you how many DU folks have told me about their experiences with the art I display and how they affected them. It makes me so happy! I just love those posts! It' really is the whole point of the Challenge, because the challenge part is just a way to get folks involved....what I am really interested in is hearing about how people react/reacted to the art. I think it is important in our lives.It makes us more human.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
51. Since I now know the names of the paintings,
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:02 PM
Dec 2013

I was going to guess that they're all couples from legend and literature, but The Bolt throws that off.

I don't know much about art but I sure love looking at it. Looking forward to finding out the answer.
I need to seek out these threads.

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
55. The Bolt is a different genre from all the others. It is Fragonard and it is Rococco.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:12 PM
Dec 2013

That, and the Boucher are both Rococco. The rest, except for #1, are neoclassical French. #1 is Romantic, an era that followed immediately AFTER neoclassical.

You are right that they are all, except for Fragonard, couples from legend and literature, esp. #1. The Fragonard appears to be just a flight of fancy on his part. He did stuff like that...

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
57. Well, hi! I like your answer!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:23 PM
Dec 2013

but I'm afraid there's too much flesh in these works of art to accomplish much of the fabric theme! Seems to be the neoclassical French theme doncha think?

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
61. Altho on second thought I did look at the fabric more and it seemed to be pretty exciting!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:38 PM
Dec 2013

It does have a nice feel to it, doesn't it?

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
58. I would say sfumato, but that is only on #6.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:24 PM
Dec 2013

Looked up Boucher in my art history book (Gardner 5th ed.) and it talks about "Pink and sky-blue light". Then it talks about Fragonard and Chardin and Quentin de la Tour, and Houdon the sculptor.


I'm thinking of a painting of a girl being kissed by a cloud embracing her as representing sfumato, but can't find it in Gardner.

#1, 3 and 5 have lots of contrast but not quite to the point of chiaroscuro.

Am I close on any of this???

CTyankee

(63,907 posts)
60. We are dealing here with a lot of Neoclassicistist painting by French artists following the French
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:36 PM
Dec 2013

Revolution, with the exception of the Boucher and the Fragonard which are the earlier Rococco (and how they escaped the guillotine I don't know...). They rejected chiaroscuro and sfumato which was from earlier centuries, most notably the Renaissance and the Baroque era respectively. Who knows why? They just wanted to go back to an earlier time where art had a classic theme, e.g. those of greek and roman gods. The exception here is the Scheffer, #1, which is early Romanticism (a direct follow on from Neoclassicism) which is more interested in the drama and even the stark tragedy of the human condition, here expressed in Virgil and Dante.

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