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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDirkGently
(12,151 posts)It's just about keeping others down to feel more empowered. Or something.
Ugh.
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House of Roberts
(5,168 posts)Not enough people got hurt the the last recession for the majority to get the point that got across in the 1930s.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)those that parrot that narrative, "What dream would you pursue, if you knew that you and your family would still be fed and housed, until you succeeded or if you failed?"
loudsue
(14,087 posts)What a much better world this could be.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)data suggests ... the more secure the people, the more free they are to start businesses, pursue academic research and engage in the political process (though a very small percentage will also choose to do nothing) ... which is why America will never have a real and sufficient safety net. Look at gop language ... "we want a safety net, not a hammock" ... "U/C is a disincentive to finding work" ... The meager safety net that we maintain is designed to push people into under paying, soul crush J-O-Bs; rather than, promote security of the people.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But I suspect I'd also play a lot of Guild Wars 2.
Bryant
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)there you have it ... the social safety net incentivizes slackardness; it must end. LOL.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)having Switzerland as a legal residence - having earned it after some very long, hard years of full-time work, 13 of them in-country.
I am now officially retired, but also teach as an adjunct professor at a private university there and occasionally consult to supplement my retirement income, which includes US Social Security, the greatest US program to be enacted, IMO. I am thus not a "charge" to their welfare system, but all Swiss residents benefit from excellent education, health and transportation systems. My local commune even has two events annually specifically to "honor" its senior citizens: one is a four-course holiday dinner (including aperitifs and wines) in December and the other is an outing in late summer, also featuring gourmet cuisine and wines. There are many other perks.
The quality of life is excellent; the economy is doing well; and Switzerland has likely accepted more immigrants proportional to its population from areas of conflict than has the US.
When a storm or other emergency knocks out power, we do not have to wait days for power to be restored as the vast majority of electric lines are buried underground. The Alpine tunnels and highways are marvels of architectural engineering, just as they are throughout all of mountainous Western Europe.
I would love for the US to embrace some of the same attitude - that we are ALL citizens together, that the type of "socialism" embraced by Europe is in fact a major plus, that it certainly does not destroy incentive or creativity (Europeans in general and Swiss in particular are developing new things at least as fast as we are and in some cases faster), but that it does help to ensure that the most vulnerable are not homeless or not cared for when they are sick and that there is some sort of safety net when bad things happen - as they certainly can to us all.
I love the US, but I hate the divisiveness, nastiness, pettiness and selfishness that characterize too many of those who dominate our politics and media - who I refuse to believe truly represent the majority of Americans - and I specifically hate the RW religious zealots who are allowed to set too much of the US political agenda.
European systems are not perfect. But over the years, they have learned from our mistakes. When we began as a nation, we were attempting to learn from theirs. Now it's time to realize that learning goes both ways.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)(I remain hopeful -- #Occupy, TED, the innertubes, etc. -- that we are 'waking up'!)
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)your interesting perspective. As you know the discussion of such contrast is avoided by the US print, radio and TV media.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Well done, Scuba!