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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI refuse to apologize for being a Democrat.
I'm not apologizing to anyone who doesn't feel I've passed some kind of progressive litmus test.
I'm sure as Hell not apologizing to any Republicans, Tea Baggers, Cave Dwellers, or Freepers.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)crazy homeless guy
(80 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)And I won't apologize for making the good be the enemy of mediocrity.
And I won't apologize for selecting replacement cards rather than playing the hand I'm dealt.
And I won't apologize for holding Democratic pols' feet to the fire.
And I won't apologize for making them do it.
And I won't apologize for demanding the Democratic Party support Democratic policies that reflect Democratic values.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I for one won't apologize for criticizing the democratic party for being taken over by corportists at the leadership level and straying from their previous democratic values which are labeled progressive.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)They are not centrists. They are building corporate fascism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024222542#post2
When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556
When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432
GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Ways Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116
The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414
Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I stand corrected.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I feel the same way. I will not apologize for being outspoken on those topics.
I am a Democrat also, and I am tired of being treated as lesser because I disagree with some stances of our party.
By the time Arne Duncan is through with dismantling public schools, the system will be run by a corporate few. That is intolerable to me.
They need to take any cuts to Social Security, by any name, even superlative CPI, off the table for good.
Every Democrat needs to be shouting out about how the GOP is blocking the extension of unemployment benefits. They should not have waited until they are ended to make a fuss about it.
I make no apologies.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)"Don't dismantle the programs Democrats fought long and hard to put in place."
WowSeriously
(343 posts)rather than Third Way (wrong way, no frigg'n way, DLC way) values.
treestar
(82,383 posts)because some of its members are not progressive enough. It is refusing to be unreasonable about the fact Republicans are worse and still have power. Also it is not trying to discourage everyone here against Democrats. It is also understanding that in a country with Republicans, some compromise has to be made, as Republicans count too. It's not a matter of "bravery" but of the separation of powers and everyone gets a voice. It is recognizing that the Presidency is not all powerful and just because the President wants something, doesn't mean he gets it. It is refusing to be a Gloomy Gus because life is not perfect right now and refusing to give up, as we are often encouraged to do.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I say Republicans only count if they can, all by themselves, get their opinions forward and accepted, it sure as fuck is not my job to seek fair treatment of those whom I utterly and totally oppose.
All that so called compromise with Republicans around the ACA netted not one Republican vote for the ACA, so the fact is the 'compromises' were simply demands made by Blue Baggers and Tea Dogs on the right side of the Democratic caucus. They removed the Public Option, not Republicans. They did it. Obama promised again and again not to sign a bill without a strong Public Option, then in the end he did what Max Blue Dog told him to do. Not one Republican vote. You say Republicans count too, but not one of them voted for ACA, not one, and yet it is a law. Do you think it should not be a law, because the poor Republicans did not count in that debate?
I will not apologize for seeking the total destruction of the Republican Party. I say they don't count at all. I say, in fact, fuck the Republicans, thwart them, defeat them then laugh about it.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)when they seized power this year. In fact, they destroyed DECADES of progress in a matter of MONTHS. The Democratic Party blew it in early 2009, when it controlled the House, Senate and White House. It can be done, the party just chose not to do it. Criticize Republicans all you want, they know what to do with power when they get it.
Drop the silly "President isn't all-powerful" meme -- no one thinks that. Seriously, it's stupid.
And who are all these voters so prone to giving up? So easily swayed by a random blogger, a DUer, a Corporate Media newsbunny?
tblue
(16,350 posts)bleeding-heart lefty, and a registered Democrat.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)And fuck all authoritarians, they make DU and America suck almost as bad as the GOP does!
WowSeriously
(343 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:30 AM - Edit history (1)
"apologize" for, OBD.
Proud to be a Democrat and Appreciate that I'm living in these times when Obama is President!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The asshole that wouldn't allow a discussion of single payer health care.
Blue Dogs are often more destructive than Republicans because they are mistakenly placed in positions of trustlike Max Baucus and Joe Lieberman.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They are always better than Republicans. It is ridiculous to refuse to recognize the political realities. If only the Democrats had "balls" they could force the Republicans to vote that way. How ridiculous. Is it better to have Boner in a position of trust than Pelosi? I swear you people are so, friggin, unreasonable!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)As if I implied that Pelosi would be more destructive than Boner. Talk about unreasonable.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)has to fill in. OP lacks the basic courage to discuss on a discussion board.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)In addition to being a Dem, I refuse to apologize for work and sleep.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)...we end up with a Republican majority, and Boner and Cantor in leadership positions.
NE-2 is a perfect example of this. An "Elizabeth Warren Progressive" won't unseat Lee Terry. It's going to take someone more in the mold of a Ben Nelson.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Even if that somebody votes the party line 70% of the time due to local considerations.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)big tent party, then you have NO party, and that is why the R's are shrinking. Let them be the purists. We need a big tent.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)system that most Americans are interested in? No chance to pass? And why was there no chance for it to pass?
Baucus and other representatives of the medical services industry and the health insurance industry didn't want to discuss single payer because of the support the discussion would generate. Surely you can admit that.
Republicans with a D beside their name have no appeal for me.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Actually it still pisses me off that a sell out democrat like Max (if you can even call him a real Dem) was given the task.
BobUp
(347 posts)treehuggin' liberal
stop apologizing!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:02 PM - Edit history (2)
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression*
http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.
1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.
2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.
3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical."
4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.
5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.
6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).
7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.
8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."
9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.
10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.
11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "suicide" note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.
12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.
14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.
15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.
16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.
17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
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*Thanks to Matariki for reposting this list recently.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Really?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thanks, woo me with science.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)That means that if you're described by an item in the list, you automatically lose!
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)But you might want to remember Truman:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
-Laelth
TBF
(32,047 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It is meaningless. Especially now. A Democrat is a Democrat. If some of them hold positions you can't stand, start another party. There is no way to kick someone out of the party if you don't agree with them. The party's only function is to make a team to be able to get elected, as no one can do it alone. There's no point in being divisive about that. None whatever. Nothing is gained. It does not change the party platform. It does not change the opinions of the voters. It is useless and Truman made a useless statement there. He should have done something helpful in states so conservative that Democrats thought they'd lose if the ran on the New Deal.
Curses on Truman? You lost me right there.
-Laelth
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)thing? If so, who? It sounds made up. Untrue, false, hyped up, a constructed pretense of indignation pulled out of thin air.
I'm a liberal Democrat, LGBT, in the arts and no one has ever asked such a thing of me, they'd not dare.
It just sounds fakey. Posy, centrist fakery. Anyone could gin up such a statement. If they care nothing for basic honesty.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Not a single response from the poster, you notice.
-Laelth
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)There is always some volunteer speaking in plurals as if their job was to defend the OP rather than to speak for themselves.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)Notice the Southern bashing on DU? That's the ugly purity brings out.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Will you do that?
LWolf
(46,179 posts)You be what you are, and if you are a neoliberal enabler, I'll continue to give my respect and attention elsewhere. If you are an old-style, left of center liberal, I might listen now and then.
I'm not sure what a Democrat IS anymore, but I know it's generic enough to mean little out of context.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Hi, everybody upthread
I'm going to see if I can address some of the comments here, rather than posting a whole slew of answers.
To those who expressed support or rec'd the thread: Wow! Thanks!
To those who said "Nobody asked you to" or words to that effect: Last night there were a whole series of "I refuse to apologize" threads in GD. Being a Democrat seemed like something to refuse to apologize for.
To those who attack my screen name or Blue Dogs generally: I vote for Democrats; have given money to Democrats; and have even phone banked on an occasion or two. Do I support a fair minimum wage -- closer to $12-15 an hour? Absolutely. Do I support the ACA? Absolutely. If it serves as a stepping stone to single payer, OK; if it becomes the way the US does healthcare, OK. Either way, it beat the alternative, which was if you couldn't afford healthcare, don't get sick.
OTOH, would I like to see Joe Manchin continue in the Senate despite his flaws -- yes I would. Do I wish Ben Nelson had stayed in the Senate and run against Deb Fischer? yes, I do. Do I think it is axiomatic that every single idea from every single Republican is bad, or unworthy of discussion. No , I don't. Do I think Elizabeth Warren is always rignt? No I don't, but she's right most of the time.
Over my time at DU, I've been accused of everything from wanting to dismantle the social safety net to wanting to sew seeds of division on the site, which is amusing given that I'm a relatively non-controversial, low key poster. The majority of what I post are articles of interest or outrage that are found elsewhere.
Nevertheless, I don't apologize for my views. I don't expect anyone to apologize for their views. I do wish we would spend far less time attacking one another (outside the context of primaries), and instead focus on attacking Republicans.
Also, I support Hillary Clinton as the next President of the United States. I won't apologize for that either.
To those who accused me of being a hit and run poster: OK, I posted this late last night. Then I had to sleep. Then I had to actually do some work. This is the first time I've gotten to review the thread.
To Mad Floridian I'm very happy that you made it over to DU3. Your voice was missed during your hiatus.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That last sentence moved me. Thank you.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams
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Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Tut-tut, the overlords shall be most displeased.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)I'll ask around in the Lounge, though.
calimary
(81,220 posts)I wouldn't apologize to any of 'em, either! I'm PROUD to be a Dem, a Liberal Dem, a Progressive Dem, I wear that label with pride. If Jesus had been around, physically, now, guess which party he'd be more in line with? YES. The one where - if you want to go forward you select D. If you want to go backwards, your choice is R.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Once, I remember when Nixon and Goldwater were considered nuts. By today's standards, they seem like moderates. I have never seen a group with such contempt for Americans who struggle with poverty.
calimary
(81,220 posts)then they can't be true followers of Christ. Christ was all about the poor. Of the poor, by the poor, and for the poor. We would all do well to take note.
Number23
(24,544 posts)from all of the usual suspects. Happy New Year to you.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)The strange thing is that I'm mostly on the side of the usual suspects.