Six Things Straight People Should Stop Saying about Gay People

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http://canyonwalkerconnections.com/six-things-straight-people-should-stop-saying-about-gay-people/

A kind woman, who would never intentionally offend another person, writes: “I love gay people, I just cannot support their gay lifestyle.”

A pastor stands holding an electric cord as a prop and warns the congregation, “Don’t mess with God’s original design. Gay sex is not natural, the parts don’t fit.”

A man thinks he needs to “protect” his family from his Christian gay brother. He says to his brother, “Homosexuality is a perversion and, until you change, I cannot allow you in my home with my children.”

Parents send their lesbian daughter to a program that they heard about at church. The visiting speaker says he is no longer gay. The encouraged parents say, “We want what is best for our daughter and we know she can change her preferences.”

About their fellow Americans, some will say: “I don’t mind gay people having civil unions, I just do not want to redefine marriage. Marriage is not a civil right and they want special rights.”

Thinking they are pleasing and even defending God, moderate Christians assert: “I’m fine with gay people getting together, it’s God and the Bible that are clearly against homosexuality. We love gay people and need to tell them the truth.”

[99Forever]

1. Love this from the article:

The follow-up to the “gay lifestyle” comment is often, “Gay sex is not natural, the parts don’t fit.” If the parts “did not fit”, then gay people would not be having “gay sex”; so clearly, the parts do fit.

Warning. warning

That should make some homophobe heads explode.

Good read, thanks.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. One doesn't hear this type of stuff around here too much. At least not anymore.

But there are still a lot of 'beneath the surface' assumptions, irrationality, mythology and prejudice.

[William769]

3. Kick & recommended.

[Nika]

4. Great piece, thanks for posting this.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. When straight people oppose equality they need to stop claiming they don't judge

gay people. You can not hold that a group is unworthy of equal rights under the law without judging that group, so stop with the bullshit. It's unseemly.

[RKP5637]

6. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well Said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Zorra]

17. Well said. That's a sig line keeper.

"When straight people oppose equality they need to stop claiming they don't judge gay people. You can not hold that a group is unworthy of equal rights under the law without judging that group."

[tblue37]

18. Precisely. Don't forget the Daddy Duck bigot ALSO insisted that

he did not presume to judge people for being gay, and yet bigoted judgment dripped from his every utterance!

[Arkana]

7. Straight people aren't saying those things, bigot assholes are.

[Egnever]

12. +1

[RKP5637]

13. Yep, I think that's a good point, many straight people are supportive of gays and I

think a fair number of people just don't care. It's the bigoted assholes that keep it on the front burner. I don't go around preoccupied, for example, with other peoples sexual lives and I think many are similar.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Well I fought tooth and nail with straight DUers who argued that gays should accept

civil unions over marriage equality. I had 5 posts hidden in a week (3 in one night) for calling out the bigots by calling them bigots.

Under the new DU rules, I would have been barred from posting for 90 days for calling out the bigots and thus the bigots would have won.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Except supporting Marriage equality is now part of the DU rules, AFAIUI.

It wasn't, previously, however that was changed by admin in the past couple years. And rightly so.

So the situation you describe should not occur.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Yeah

that's exactly what I was about to say.

[sibelian]

40. +1

[treestar]

8. Some of that could be just ignorance

and a chance to explain what's wrong with it. Maybe create a convert to the side of light. IMO a lot of people just don't think about these things and when asked, spout some ignorance. Everyone does that.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. No, treestar, everyone does not spout ignorance against others.

It's so dishonest to smear the entire world to excuse some bigoted idiots all of whom live in our mutual culture, have Google and can read.
Plus, when you posted on DU that gay people have all rights but one and you were instructed, you got huffy and offended, just from being told that 29 States have full tilt legal discrimination against us.
To refresh the collective memory:
"There there is only one right you do not have. And people who give no credit to Obama for what he did already while making as if it is the only issue that matters are just wrong. There's always going to be some new demand..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192

It's a hell of a thread. Everyone should read it twice!

[treestar]

16. Naturally you are of the school of excluding everyone

and thinking the worst of them, as long as they aren't perfect.

[Zorra]

22. Does ignorance ever justify hateful homophobia, transphobia, sexism, or racism?

"Well, yer honor, I jes didn't really think about it much afore I lynched them stinking injun bull dyke b**ch fa**ot n***ers. I wuz taught to hate them, so that's what i done. Is that a crime?"

[treestar]

35. That type of person isn't what I'm talking about

In fact, why would you make that post, who would think that? It's illogical. What about the middle of the road type people who just say it but would be amenable to persuasion? You have the choice of explaining and maybe they back off or immediately yelling homophobe and they dig in their heals. Human nature and all that.

[Zorra]

37. All bigots are ignorant. Have you ever tried to explain to someone who hates you for being LGBT, or

black, why they are bigots, and why they shouldn't hate you just because you're black or LGBT?

Who are these kinder, gentler, "somewhat better middle of the road type sensible bigots"?

[treestar]

39. So are they born this way?

I have known people who have softened on that and many other subjects.

You seem to be saying people are either/or and there is no way to change them. Rather hopeless, and obviously untrue or why do we have gay marriage in 18 states? Someone must have come round.

Ignorant means not knowing. People learn new things every day. What advantage is your hard line view? How would any progress be made at all if you refuse to even give them a chance to change their minds? And you're claiming to be from the underdog group, so you're expecting to stay there forever, with nothing to do but call them bigots, about which they don't care.

I see almost a preference for rage, here. It's better to hate them for their bigotry than to ever talk to them or hope they will soften or change their minds.

[Luminous Animal]

24. No treestar... not everyone does that. Plenty of people were raised to consider...

walking a mile in another's shoes.

To say hey to themselves and really listen.

To really stop and consider it. To mull it. To take it in and breathe it. And then spout from intelligence.

[treestar]

36. I mean everyone spouts ignorant sayings like that

They hear them on the news or in conversation and don't think much about it. You could open a dialogue and get some traction rather than just condemning them as the worst type of homophobe right then and there. It's almost like some want to create or cement more homophobes in order to maintain victim status.

People who read the article might get it, but not everyone will read the article.

[Arkana]

31. No, most of that is just straight up "I hate gays because Jesus".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Stop the "lifestyle choice" assumption & the obsession with gay sex and you

Stop the "lifestyle choice" assumption & the obsession with gay sex and you stop almost all of the objections.

The "biblical objections" can be dealt with by asking people to observe all of Leviticus or none of it or explain how they know more than their God and get to pick and choose. Further, Jesus said nothing against or about homosexuality.

Anti-gay people seem to spend more time thinking about gay sex than gay people. Most gay people when thinking about gay relationships are thinking about balance of chores, romantic dinners, living wills for emergencies, survivor benefits, Ikea furniture, whether to stop renting and buy a house together, what's for dinner, does my lover like my shirt, can I walk home or should I take a taxi to avoid a beating, etc.

Gay people choose to be gay no less and no more than heteros choose to be hetero.

[RKP5637]

14. Very well said!!! n/t

[edhopper]

10. Can I say

They are FABULOUS!

[The CCC]

11. Six Things Straight People Should Stop Saying about Gay People

Yes all religions teach that somethings are sinful, thought not all religions teach that the same things are sinful. The law defines what is legal, and what is not. The rub comes in where they conflict.

[TroglodyteScholar]

19. Jesus, there was never a day I would have said any of that horrible shit

[RKP5637]

20. Yes, many never do, but those that do sadly have a very loud megaphone and

organizations built upon vile hatred and persecution. And, the net/net of it all? It makes no F'en sense than haters schooled in hatred that enjoy a good target. For them, it's a recreational sport, sadly. And the spectators enjoy it too. It's pathetic.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Here's another one...

A crime is committed against a gay person/establishment and along comes the "thoughtful" straight person who declares, "It was probably a closet case! Latent homosexual." Guess what? While there are certainly "closet cases" who do shitty things to other gay people, most of the time, it is heterosexual BIGOTS who do the harm! By no means should anyone be 'let off' because of his/her sexual orientation (notice: orientation not preference), but in reality, the ones who are committing the homophobic crimes aren't gays.

[Luminous Animal]

25. Yep. It is fucked up when straight people will not take responsibility for their bigots.

Nobody accuses racists of being closeted African Americans.

[Warren DeMontague]

29. Yeah, that's a very tired old saw, indeed. I agree.

Homophobic bigots are not intrinsically closeted gays. They're just homophobic bigots.

[Arkana]

32. If Ted Haggard is any indication, then at least SOME of them are...

[Cha]

26. Ya think?! How about this?..

[RKP5637]

30. That's the best one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Zorra]

33. ooo, it's pretty!

[Cha]

34. It's on my FB page shared from another..

[sibelian]

38. Uff! Not "straight people", please.

That's very bad manners... :/

[RKP5637]

45. Yes, it's too broad a brush. Many straight people just don't care. And also many

people swing both ways too!

[sibelian]

46. D'accord, mon ami

[randome]

41. The part about 'parts'.

Not every male gay couple enjoys anal sex. Love and sex are about so much more than 'one size fits all'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[RKP5637]

44. That's what always gets to me, the focus all the time on "parts." It is far more

than just anal sex. And, a lot of straight men enjoy anal sex from their wives with strap-ons! So, how are they going to classify them. It all gets absolutely ridiculous, trying to package everyone with labels. It is inaccurate, regressive and stupid.

[justiceischeap]

42. Here's one...

Why does it always come down to sex? I'm a lesbian that hasn't had sex in a while (TMI, I know) but that doesn't make me any less of a lesbian. Just like straight people who go through a dry spell, that doesn't make them any less heterosexual. And when I'm old and have no interest in sex? I'm still gonna be a lesbian.

[RKP5637]

43. Yep! Agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t