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For whatever reason, when I look at this crop circle the thought "Tepco" invades my brainpan.
Cue the Scientific Materialist claque...10...9...8...
A mysterious crop circle in the Salinas Valley in central California attracted so much attention that the land-owner hired armed security guards to keep people off the property.
But the crop circle is gone. On Tuesday, the landlord ordered a crew to plow over the entire field.
Aerial photographer Julie Belanger spotted the crop circle as she was flying over the valley Monday morning.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/01/22134100-mysterious-calif-crop-circle-plowed-over?fb_action_ids=10202503295774309&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=AddThis_Blogs&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B553223341434956%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.recommends%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22AddThis_Blogs%22%5D
Dash87
(3,220 posts)The landlord was annoyed that stupid people kept trying to sneak onto his property, and hired people to keep them off. He finally pulled an "FML" and plowed the whole thing over.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Its a beautiful design.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)"scientific materialism"
Crop circles are pieces of pretty art created by creative people.
Too bad the art was destroyed, but I guess the farmer had his reasons.
Sid
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)No matter which, do you know what this means????
The aliens from the Pleiades think we are all blind and have really big fingertips. Yup! That's it.
Not sure what it would mean if that was Conway's life.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)It's clearly a BFEE circuit board design!!
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Looks like a CPU mask. It looks really cool. The guys who create these things in one night are pretty creative.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)sounds like a cover story.
We're expecting snow tonight. I'd better stock up on bread, milk, and vinegar.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)we posted at the same time. See #12 above.
Sid
pintobean
(18,101 posts)... or a pair of smart asses.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)hunter
(38,303 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)It's amazing that people still ascribe supernatural significance to these human-made designs.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Sadly though, Geller still has believers even today.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Works a treat!
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Who worked with Geller in one of our National Labs would disagree that he was ever debunked. I heard it straight from them, and so try to keep an open mind about things others easily dismiss.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Magicians, on the other hand, have extensively and completely shown that Geller is a fraud.
Sid
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)It's been easily shown that crop circles can be made with a few people, each with a board to flatten crops.
Autumn
(44,985 posts)It's a shame the idiot plowed it over.
Iggo
(47,535 posts)...on someone else's field.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Not the California crop circle, but people. As they can't explain the phenomenon or its origins, they mock others merely for wondering. How democratic, not.
Above is a wonder, the circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure.
Most complex crop circle ever discovered in British fields
By Richard Savill
The Telegraph (UK)
Last Updated: 12:40PM BST 17/06/2008
The most complex, "mind-boggling" crop circle ever to be seen in Britain has been discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.
The circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure
The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.
It is has appeared in a field near Barbury Castle, an iron-age hill fort above Wroughton, Wilts, and has been described by astrophysicists as "mind-boggling".
Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.
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"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.
"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."
CONTINUED...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2144652/Most-complex-crop-circle-ever-discovered-in-British-fields.html
Thanks for the heads-up, Berlum, on a fascinating subject.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)Pretty good tractor and GPS...what do you think?
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Is there nothing too silly for you to embrace?
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Amazing, isn't it.
Sid
stopbush
(24,393 posts)Even after ample evidence disproving Octa's various fantasies is provided, he keeps on with the "how undemocratic of you for not considering my fantasies to be facts" BS.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Crop circles were discussed on the front pages of The Wall Street Journal in the late 1980s. I'd tell you why I know that, but showing you anything is a waste of my time.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)nah...
sP
Octafish
(55,745 posts)There's a history, yet they need to invent one.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)The woodcut was actually used to illustrate what in folklore is called a "mowing devil" legend, in which an English farmer told a worker with whom he was feuding that he "would rather pay the Devil himself" to cut his oat field than pay the fee demanded. The source of the harvesting is not unknown or mysterious it is indeed Satan himself, who can be seen in the woodcut holding a scythe. According to the original text of the legend, the devil "cut them in round circles, and plac't every straw with that exactness that it would have taken up above an Age for any Man to perform what he did that one night." This image and story cannot be related to crop circles because it states explicitly that the crop was cut (i.e., harvested) rather than laid down, as occurs in crop circles.
http://www.livescience.com/26540-crop-circles.html
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That phenomenon is called "hypocrisy."
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Take time off to learn something new:
http://www.circularsite.com/intro1-eng.htm
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)every time you uncritically support every kooky, tin-foil idea that oozes into DU.
I do, again, laugh at your source. You think circular site.com is a credible resource for information about crop circles?
Look up bltresearch and tell me if you still think so.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Instead, you want to shut down discussion.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022386270#post7
Odd. That's also your approach to democracy.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023176980#post58
Look on these or any thread or OP of mine we've crossed paths:
Even when your source is shit or your opinion wrong, I don't tell you to shut up.
Why? That would be un-scientific and un-democratic.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)no comment?
They're prominently featured in the source that YOU provided to support your claim that the Mowing Devil woodcarving is evidence of crop circles from the middle ages.
From your link:
No, the majority is not. Of all the (well over) 300 formations that were examined scientifically by Dr. William Levengood of the BLT Research Team, only 6% turned out to be 'suspicious'. They did not show the biophysical anomalies that are found in genuine crop formations (see Anomalies). Quite likely this 6% consisted of man-made formations (the so-called 'hoaxes').
And I've never told you to shut up. I do, and will continue, to illustrate why the "research" that you so frequently bring to DU, and is so lauded by your fan club, is mostly bunk.
Sid
edhopper
(33,485 posts)given us any cutting edge sandwiches?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Heidi
(58,237 posts)and there is no reason to be mean-spirited toward him.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Too funny and predictable!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)printed in a pamphlet. 25 years later, we were trying witches.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)We already know that you refuse to accept new information in the way of scientific testing when it comes to the JFK case. I guess you're also unwilling to accept what people have learned about the hoax that is crop circles in the past quarter of a century.
Of course, the JFK CTs are some of the biggest hoaxes in history. Maybe you're predisposed to liking hoaxes.
It also looks like you're one of those people who buys into things they hear as long as they agree with your biases, then hold onto those beliefs like a dog fighting over a bone.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)So I can't show where you have intentionally lied.
That said, it's clear that you continue to state as fact things that have been proven untrue. Case in point: you constantly cite the HSCA report as "proof" that there was a conspiracy afoot to kill JFK. Yet the "proof" upon which that spurious claim was made was debunked almost immediately by the NAS, and has been consistently debunked and re-debunked many times over the ensuing decade. In fact, over the decades, every reputable scientific examination of the Dictabelt "evidence" upon which that claim was made has come to the same conclusion - the evidence was bogus. There was no fourth shot recorded on that Dictabelt. In fact, NONE of the shots fired at JFK were recorded on that Dictabelt. None!
Yet you - along with most other zealous JFK CTists - continue to point to that non-evidence as some kind of governmental stamp of approval for your CT fantasies.
That shows what kind of person you are, Octa.
It's kinda sad, at least when seen in light of your absolute obsession with every lame-brained CT out there. It's not surprising that you hold out a belief that crop circles aren't simply the creation of enterprising and creative people, rather than aliens or mystical powers.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Tag team. Pile on. Regurgitation. So zappaman.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024028402#post86
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hugs and kisses back at ya!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The record shows their lies have helped the conspirators escape justice. So, there's lots of news since Warren Report, as I've posted on DU:
JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People
JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings
JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee
JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power
JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963
JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Governments Role in the Assassination
JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'
JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation
Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963
JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford
Note the last link: Swanson's case for Oswald-did-it is to take his word for it. Just like yours, stopbush.
As for Crop Circles, no where did I post who or what created them. As far as I know, no one knows.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)You don't know?
ETA:
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For some reason, certain posters like to say I said things I didn't.
It makes me waste time defending myself from smears.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I'll let you know if there are any upcoming conferences you can attend!
And if you need help, don't hesitate to call...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...that's all you have, zappaman.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)but the fact that you suffer the same conspiracy delusion as did most of the presenters at that whack-a-doodle conference you attended.
It's the equivalent of the inmates deciding who in the asylum is sane.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)So, there's that.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Of intricate, amazing, convoluted theories when it comes to the assassination of a president, but when it comes to crop circles, they can't imagine humans being smart enough to do it?
Sad.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)vast amounts of corroborating evidence exists.
The single bullet theory is a good example: there's tons of forensic and ballistic evidence that corroborates that CE399 was fired by Oswald from his rifle, that it struck both men etc. Yet Octa and his ilk reject all of that, usually by claiming there was vast conspiracy behind every single piece of evidence.
On the other hand, they cling to the Dictabelt evidence as if it were gospel, even though members of the HSCA had grave misgivings about it at the time, and even though that "evidence" has been falsified numerous times over the years.
When the delusion is so strong, facts don't stand a chance.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The piling on. The tag team. The graphics. The repetition...
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023849451#post35
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's what you have to say for yourself?
That's good to know.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)bit silly.
CTs? check
Crop circles? check
woo medicine? check
now, in all seriousness, do you believe in chemtrails?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Feel free to disagree with anything I post. Show me where I'm wrong. I'm happy to admit an error. Don't worry, I won't smear you with labels or condescension.
As for what you post: Even though your profile says you've been here since 2001, I can't recall anything you've posted worth reading. Sorry.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Sorry if you took it as an insult.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)You have no journal!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)You have a long way to go before you catch up to the master!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)I see it has expanded, in quantity anyway.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)First post in journal:
I should be flattered you googled me!
Bush is a big stinky man and so are his offspring....particularly Jeb, Dubya, and Neil.
Happy now?
So, tell me...are you accusing Gerald Ford as being an accessory to the assassination of JFK?
Or will you just evade the question as usual?
Why do you lie like that, Octafish?
ETA: to make clear what was my journal entry by italicizing.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And why the need to dedicate so much time to smear me?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Right here is a lie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4312490
That was not when my journal "first started".
LIE:
1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2: to create a false or misleading impression
Anything else you need help with?
I'm here to teach you, my student.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That image was taken when you were first made out to have a journal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4071087
I noted at the time how odd it was that you had four posts, at least two of which had to do with me.
Gosh. Who's the liar, zappaman?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I love when you get caught!
You never admit it!
Consistency!
For someone with zero sense of humor, you sure can be funny!
Keep us posted on your investigation!
When you're done, I hear there is an old amusement park that is said to be haunted!
Perhaps you can unmask the "ghost"!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's what I wrote. Yet, you call that a lie.
Calling me a liar is a smear and it's a propaganda technique.
Seeing how have to use a bunch of Scooby Doo cartoons to make a point, maybe it's not so odd.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Now, are you having problems with the English language?
Jee Wilikers!
However, you are right. It IS unfair to compare you to The Scooby Doo Gang since they actually SOLVED things.
Breaking any new ground with your JFK investigation?
Perhaps there is an upcoming conference you can waste your---er---attend.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Orrex
(63,172 posts)seattledo
(295 posts)It's simply too precise to be a couple of drunks with a couple of pieces of plywood.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
librechik
(30,674 posts)I'd like to see the ones he spoiled while getting as good as the OP is--or was.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)more likely created by a few math geeks.
Sid
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A wind-up wristwatch is infinitely more complex and precise than this circular landscaping, but nobody pretends that the watch wasn't made by humans. Designed and invented by them, too.
If you have evidence that it wasn't created by humans, please present it. Otherwise it's just fantasizing.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)...maybe sober people, or something.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Drive one stake into the center, take the string that you've placed marks on, connect it to the stake.
Drive another stake at your staring point, and starting from there, flatten the crops for a proscribed number of steps, keeping the string taut. When you've taken enough steps to line up the center stake with your starting point, you know you have a perfect half-circle.
Move out to the next mark, step forward the number of steps required to make 1/10th of the circle, and start again.
I know, math and geometry are scary to some, but it's not rocket science.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Fiddling with numbers and geometries is not only easy, it's fun for some folks. And since the whole of modern human civilization is based on the creation of precision constructs both minuscule and enormous it doth boggle the mind to assume humans are incapable of being precise, ordered, and methodical.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Even filmed themselves doing it. Looks pretty damned "precise" to me.
And this beauty.
A beautiful bit of Mandelbrot-esque work made for the National Geographic channel.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The ones I've seen confirmed made by people using boards don't resemble any of those.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Duh.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Though aliens surely made that too
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...including those crop circles pictured above. What a time waster.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)There's the difference, significant and my point.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Humans only made the ones that have videos?
Makes perfect scientific sense, don't it?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The ones illustrated are not the ones they're making at the site.
Verstehen?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Are you contending that these were not made by humans? Whether the humans that run the website, or some other humans? The circle-makers at the site don't believe in non-human origin.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)The truth is, as they say, out there.
Nailed it!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why go through all that trouble? Do you really think you proved anything other than your ignorance?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I thought so, seeing how your posts indicate an intention to ridicule rather than discuss.
FWIW: The reason I asked, some crop circles are not the same as crop circle shown to be made by people.
For those interested in learning more about a fascinating subject:
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2012a.html
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)It doesn't resemble any of the ones confirmed made by people.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here are two other people I think little of:
The Sarah Palin image you posted also looks like that.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)If not, why then it's unexplainable!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)the "aliens" must have taken a break, gone off to visit with their alien wives and kids, maybe hit the local alien pub for an alien pint or two, then came back the next night to finish the job.
Sid
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Did anyone do a long form DNA test?
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)did they do that at night? Winter night or summer night?
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)By that standard the Brooklyn bridge was obviously built by aliens.
You can't expect me to believe a couple of guys just threw up a bridge that tall using rocks they found along the Hudson river!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And frolicking! Or something!
Logical
(22,457 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)represent, without exception, concepts and geometric figures perfectly commensurate with well-understood human scientific knowledge.
Cos, you know, the aliens will be wanting to tell us spooky cosmic things that we already know.
The EPICNESS of the LAMENESS of the spookidee-doo.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)as part of their diabolical plan for world domination.
Sid
FSogol
(45,452 posts)solarhydrocan
(551 posts)I want to meet these guys Dave and Doug or whoever because I don't know anyone that can do that. Seriously, can you imagine traipsing around at night in a field with some boards and string and being able to do something like that?
Have you seen this one? Crabwood Crop Circle
The story behind it is a mind bender.
Apparently Doug and Dave can do 3d too- hard to get that shading just right at night, I'd think.
On August 15, 2002, a now-famous crop picture appeared at Crabwood in England. It showed the schematic image of a "military grey alien" using an old-fashioned 60-line TV signal from the 1950's, and also the image of a "spiral compact disc".
Lucy Pringle (http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/crabwood),
Martin Keitel (http://www.martinkeitel.net/cropcircles/articles/alien.html)
and Paul Vigay (http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html) have already given excellent analyses of that particular crop picture, which was perhaps the most significant to date.
Yet its "compact disc" provided only a fairly obscure message for the inhabitants of Earth, when translated from 8-bit binary ASCII code into English. Thus, its 1368-digit string of zeros and ones read as follows:
"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.Much PAIN but still time.BELIEVE.There is GOOD out there.We oPpose DECEPTION.COnduit CLOSING\"
Taken on face value, that ASCII message would seem to: (i) warn us against any possible alliance with the military grey aliens, who may have promised (some governments in secrecy) advanced weaponry systems for nation-state warfare, that turned out later not to work; (ii) warn us that there will be much trouble on Earth in our short-term future; (iii) inform us that there are also good, spiritual extra-terrestrials hanging around Earth today, in addition to the nasty ones; (iv) inform us that they know about media lies and deception concerning the reality of modern crop circles; and (v) inform us that such messages are being sent to Earth by means of "space time conduit" technology, that we later saw depicted in the "wormhole" crop pictures from 2006 (see www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/wormholetechnology.html).
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2007n.html
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Military grey aliens and warning about wormhole technology? Are you just plain shitting us?
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)I did not. I simply posted what other people have said.
I don't know what to believe about that or other crop circles, except that if Doug and Dave really did that I want to meet them. I have trouble getting help to move a couch, yet these blokes can go out with their boards, string and gps devices and somehow make an image like that in a field.
And you have to give them extra credit too, because the night in England in August is about 5 or 6 hours long. I'd imagine that it might take more than 2 guys to make an image like that in 5 or 6 hours.
And they do it for free!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)There are videos in this very thread showing groups of people making them.
Why do you keep pretending it is just two people? Is it an attempt to discredit the claim that humans made these, by making it sound absurd? There's a name for that, you know.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Every picture tells a story. And while many examples of man-made crop circles are known, no one, including Doug and Dave, has been able to explain the phenomenon, bent stalks, intricate designs, overnight and silent creation, and history going back centuries.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Some people just believe anything.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Is that these beautiful designs are a testament to human cleverness, creativity, and ingenuity, and yet the reaction is "Humans aren't clever, creative, or ingenious enough to do that. We can put a man on the moon, but these patterns in crops are just too complex for mere fleshy mortals."
Same thing with the pyramids
Don't tell them the pyramids are man made!
You'll blow their little minds!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Bad Pintobean!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)So flipping what if someone chooses to believe that crop circles are/were made by extraterrestrials?
Are your lives so empty and devoid of any semblance of joy or happiness that all you folks have left is the feeling of self superiority and satisfaction you get by demeaning and ridiculing others?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.
The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Viking12
(6,012 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts)His hair is proof positive of alien technology at work!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)There's some asshole stirring shit on the facebook DU group and Hawkeye seems to think it's you.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
pintobean
(18,101 posts)He's a wannabe, but he doesn't really have what it takes. He tries, though... he tries.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)You would know that different governments create crop circles so that the World Health Organization knows where and what type of chem trails to lay down in a particular area.
some researcher you are LOL...There's a conference coming up on this in Berlin FYI-
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Keep in mind, it also shows what you know.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)They still don't believe it is human made even after the admission by NVidia.
Lots of nonsense about it in their three part report:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2159&category=Environment
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)To believe Earth is the only planet in the cosmos with 'intelligent' beings is pure folly.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)Read the extensive discussion on "decoding" the OP's crop circle by the true believers, all of course for nothing.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2159&category=Environment
Response to Octafish (Reply #20)
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NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)But not everyone actually wants to know the answer. We mock people who continue to believe in fantasies like we mock Bill O'Reilly for his "the tide goes in. the tide goes out. You can't explain that!" comment.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)It mystifies me that there are people who are sufficiently credulous and impervious to basic evidence that they can continue to believe in this, the silliest of "mystery phenomena."
pintobean
(18,101 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)So obviously they are aliens
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Illegal aliens, that is
arikara
(5,562 posts)and tune them out, in other words scroll quickly past the inanity.
I had the pleasure of seeing Freddie Silva talk about crop circles at a seminar once, his passion for the subject is contagious. If you ever have the opportunity to go... do.
NJCher
(35,622 posts)You should not wonder. You should never wonder. Do not ever employ your imagination. You should be sensible. The worst possible thing is to be thought of as "woo woo." You may believe only in what you can see, feel, and touch. You can believe in radio, though, 'cuz we can listen to the radio.
Well, it could be worse. You could be gullible!! That's right--gullible. There is nothing worse than being a gullible person. That means you bought into something that somebody said that may or may not be true. Now that is downright disgraceful and ranks right up there as the number one sin. You are worse than Charlie Manson and Bernie Madoff combined if you are gullible.
Humans are quite capable of dashing off these crop circles in a matter of minutes. No overnight tromping around with boards and a yard stick necessary. You know--humans. The same ones responsible for Tepco, Nazi Germany, and the Republican party?
Cher
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)NJCher
(35,622 posts)It is very important to think inside the box.
Cher
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)William Seger
(10,775 posts)... that 6-fingered aliens use base 10, too.
Edit: How's that investigation into who really built the pyramids coming along?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Encoding in base 10 as a means of interstellar communication would be bone dead stupid.
Octafish is unaware that the only reason that "pi ten significant digits" equals "3.141592654" is because humans happen to have ten fingers.
Likewise, the only reason that there are "360 degrees" in the angular measure of a circle is because Babylonians rounded off the number of days in a year to 360, and which is conveniently factorable by several integers.
There is nothing natural about the decimal sequence "3141592654" or the circular angular measure of "360" other than by reference to a species having ten fingers and a rounding error based on the earth's orbit and spin, for the sake of convenience in factoring a number.
No fucking alien would do that. Our own computers don't even use base 10.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Striking to see how his organizations is so well represented on DU.
JBerryhill
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=130840
William Seger
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69539
Bolo Boffin nee Boloboffin
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4624787&postcount=222
Who else you got in the Flock?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Guess you couldn't refute him so instead you change the subject and make it personal.
Shocking!
Maybe you should ask one of your astronaut buddies about pi?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is that I was not even arguing with him, and he squats down to poop out a pointless ad hominem having nothing to do with the point.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Let's see. You've given two different answers. Why would that be?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I sincerely hope you solve The Great Crop Circle Mystery!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yes, I signed up and participated in some JREF discussions years ago. Big fucking deal. Are you a marionette of every website owner where you've ever posted a comment?
How about you address the substance of my post, instead of searching around the internet and posting little "dossiers" about people?
The use of decimal numbers is an artifact of evolution in this planet producing a creature with an enlarged brain and ten digits. Consequently, it is why humans use base 10 arithmetic.
If the aliens have figured out that much about us, in order to tell us a number we already know in a number system that is an artifact of being earth beings, then they are probably bright enough to realize that there are much more effective ways of communicating with humans than fucking around in grass.
But, OMG, I posted comments to some other forum years ago. Well, that does it!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Have you, jberryhill?
Have you?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024262028#post248
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I did some legal work for an educational project run by an astronaut a few years back.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Since we don't have video of every crop circle being made, we can therefore conclude many are unexplained and could even be alien in origin.
Makes sense, don't it?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She passed away some months ago, and now I can see that it was to prevent me from asking about crop circles. The PTB really gets around.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's the language the FBI disinformation artists used in COINTELPRO to undermine the anti-war and pro-civil rights groups they'd infiltrated.
What a coincidence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/us/burglars-who-took-on-fbi-abandon-shadows.html?_r=0
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yes. Otherwise known as "English".
Okay, so the FBI is hiding the truth about crop circles from you? That really sucks. I feel sorry for the aliens who can't figure out how to make themselves known without being foiled by the government.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)In COINTELPRO, agents of the FBI termed people with whom they disagreed politically as "paranoid," which served to discredit their targets' anti-war and pro-civil rights messages. Labeling is a propaganda technique the Amazing Randi also employs to discredit people with whom he disagrees.
As to who or what makes crop circles: some have been shown to be made by people, but not all.
Why my stating that bothers you so much is your business, not mine.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They play the association game.
So, anyone who ever posted at JREF is a "follower of the Amazing Randi".
Do you care to say anything at all on the inherent inanity of alien intelligence using crop circles to encode a truncated version of an irrational number in base 10?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I posted my opinion -- that crop circles are a fascinating subject.
Rationalizing to yourself how denigrating me for stating my thought is something for you to think about.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I made a comment to someone else that it would be absurd to conclude that a truncation of pi in decimal digits was a product of alien intelligence.
That has nothing to do with you or your character.
You showed up to post your little dossier and suggest I was in thrall to someone who runs a forum in which I posted several years ago.
Get a grip.
Response to Octafish (Reply #20)
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)From this, are we to assume that they also have ten fingers?
Because that is the ONLY reason we use base 10.
So, they came across interstellar space to tell us something we've known for 2000 years?
William Seger
(10,775 posts)Just by coincidence (wooo...), I came across a Numberphile video on YouTube today talking about how pi shows up in some episodes of the Simpsons, and in one, the 40,000th digit is given as 1 base 10. They ask the question, why would people who have a total of 8 fingers use base 10 instead of octal? (It turns out that there is one character who has 10 fingers).
MADem
(135,425 posts)We know there are geeks that do this for sport with a piece of rope and a board. And there's always a little "road" running through the things that would enable someone doing this to get in and out without leaving superfluous marks.
It's incumbent on the person who is making the claim to find the evidence that suggests that these come from outer space or what-have-you, because that's a little far-fetched, that idea, particularly when dealing with landscaping that happens close to populated areas.
It's a big universe, surely, we're not alone, but any beings with the ability to visit this planet would probably take a look at us and say "Uggggh--they aren't ready to work and play well with others..."
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ever. All the personal attacks for expressing the thought that crop circles are a fascinating phenomena.
Certainly some, if not most, are man-made. Some, however, have no plausible explanation. For instance:
Eye witness to the formation of a crop circle opposite Stonehenge.
Posted October 15, 2009
By Colin Andrews
In July of 1996 one of the most complex and spectacular crop circle designs ever
seen appeared in a field opposite Stonehenge. The design became known as The
Julia Set because it resembled the mathematical fractal called by that name. The
formation was remarkable not only because of its complexity and beauty but also
due to several anomalies associated with its discovery.
It arrived in daylight on a sunny day opposite a busy tourist spot surrounded by high
traffic roads such as the A303. What is exceptional about this event is that it is the
first time the window of arrival can be narrowed down.
SNIP...
Lucy writes, She mentioned that when people see maybe two cars or more pulled in
and looking down into the field, other cars stop and gradually the traffic builds up
and more and more cars draw in to have a look. What the group saw is described:
There was an apparition, an isolated mist over it (the formation) and as the circle
was getting bigger the mist was rising above the circle. As the mist rose it got bigger
and the corn circle got bigger. There was a mist was about 2-3 feet off the ground
and it was sort of spinning around and on the ground a circular shape was
appearing which seemed to get bigger and bigger as simultaneously the mist gets
bigger and bigger and swirled faster. It was gradual and you are standing there and
you are thinking what is going on and everyone is discussing it and more and more
traffic is building up and everything and you just think that all the time you don't
really realise what is happening and then you think then that's it and the thing is
getting bigger and you are thinking of the beginning and end. But you don't realise
what you are looking at. I didnt understand what was happening.
Lucy continues in her report to say that there was a clear space between the
ground and the mist as the crop circle formed and there was no wind or dust.
Lucys witness reports that the event took about 20 minutes to form although they
cant be sure because they lost track of time. When they left the mist was still there
and they cant be sure the formation wasnt still expanding. It may have taken more
than 20 minutes to create.
CONTINUED...
http://www.colinandrews.net/JuliaSetStory.html
As for flat earth, why the need to smear me?
FWIW: I've met and spoken with several astronauts. How many have you met, NuclearDem?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But given what's already known about the phenomenon, it's increasingly unlikely that any of them are caused by anything other than man or metereological event.
I don't know why the appeal to authority with the astronauts statement is relevant, but I will say I have not in fact met any, but just like with any other claim, anything they say has to be independently tested and checked with the scientific community before they can hold any validity.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Yours was an attempt to smear me. I responded by bringing up people I've met who would have told me were it so.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Still monitoring what I post. What an interesting pastime.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Don't fucking flatter yourself.
I do, however, notice the complete hoseshit that is sometimes posted at DU, and often comment on said horseshit. That your posts catch my eye so frequently is surely no more than a coincidence.
Now, don't you have some JFK - crop circle - Fukushima - BFEE "research" to do? Surely they're somehow all connected.
The truth is out there!!
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022673617#post61
As for Fukushima:
Fukushima, Plutonium, CIA, and the BFEE: Deep Doo-Doo Four Ways to Doomsday
I notice you were quick to side with nuclear power. What a surprise.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Doesn't get much more wildly entertaining than that bit of incredible nonsense.
Sid
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...your obnoxious and profane responses to anything contrary to YOUR personal take on the world is as offensive to many of us as Octafish seems to be to you. But we don't jump in, yelling and screaming, every time you say something stupid. I am forever baffled how you manage to stay around here with your very tenuous support of democratic principles.
Points of view outside of the narrow confines of the corporate state is the life blood of the democratic left. All we hear from you is how you don't think this POV or that POV shouldn't be discussed. Who the hell are you to say...?????
Sad
.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)No, I mean it. Seriously. I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me how you feel. You've opened my eyes and made me see the world in a whole new light. I realize now what I've been doing this whole time. You've done me a great service.
From now on, I'll be just like you and octafish.
Cheers,
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)And your journal!
Skittles
(153,113 posts)Chuck Norris' way of telling corn that sometimes it just needs to lay the fuck down
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Archae
(46,301 posts)As opposed to wild accusation, anecdotes and assorted UNevidenced woo.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)And this is the next best thing?
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Be careful z-man, or one of the Wanker Nazis around here will ALERT on you for VIOLATING TOS and you will be banished for using forbidden words to describe forbidden thoughts. Get a grip on reality, man. Save yourself. Conform.
Try thinking peaceful PERMITTED thoughts, and focusing on the splendors of of the celestial as depicted in this natural photo - nature in its glory, framed by the Power Tentacles of the Scientific Materialist Cabal (R).
pintobean
(18,101 posts)about power lines.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I hesitate to ask, but I really want to hear the explanation for this one. Type slowly, I'm going to get a beer while I wait.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I hoped that it would become clear with all the replies, but alas.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I would totally rent that movie from Redbox, if the cast was okay.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)...It makes no assertions about anything other than that the crop circle existed, and then was rapidly obliterated. Whatever evidence of whatever cause has been erased.
Most of the talk and insinuation on this thread about impossible aliens, improbable space forces, or whatever else has come from the provincial kneeJerk reactions of the Scientific Materialist Claque, eager to set up strawmen they can assault with their pre-formed opinions. They cling to their theory as unchallengeable fact: that the thousands upon thousands of crop circles that have been formed around the world, have been created (largely in secret) by fun-loving prankster beer drinkers with ropes and boards
One can only observe that in hewing to this stance the Scientific Materialist Claque is to science as the Teabaggers are to politics. Not a one of the rowdy SM MindMobsters writes to encourage a thorough exploration and evaluation of whatever forensic evidence may be available concerning the California crop circle that is factually cited in the OP. Nor is there any acknowledgement that actual research into the actual cause of the California crop circle might be worthwhile. Rather, as usual, the corroding clique of claquesters remains passionately invested in their pre-formed opinions, and then in projecting those fantasies onto others.
So - LeftyMom -- if you are looking for a good fantasy script, you need look no further than the woozy woebegone claque of scientific materialists skulking about in cybersphere with their pre-formed judgements, poised to pounce like a pack of rabid, teeth-slashing, bone-gnashing jackals on any poor soul who questions the Orthodox Received Perception of Reality.
Recalling how the scientific materialists of yesteryear persecuted Galileo for his heliocentric heresy, one today can only gnash teeth and rend garments upon realizing - alas -- that the same narrow spirit survives on into the 21st Century.
?w=490
William Seger
(10,775 posts)It was people who believed the Earth was created by an invisible giant.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)...in that sense they were indeed the Scientific Materialists of their day, fantasizing that they alone had cornered The Truth and scorning anyone who had the audacity to think otherwise. In a similar manner, the Latter Day Scientific Materialists of our era rest calcified in their absolute certainty that thousands upon thousands of anonymous beer -drinking Hoax Freaks are at large in the world creating thousands upon thousands of elaborate crop circles year after year after year -- and then scorning anyone who thinks there could possibly be some other explanation. Same thing. It's Flat-brained Scientific Materialism, whether wrapped in the robes of Religion or Barren Materialistic Arrogance (BMA).
William Seger
(10,775 posts)... and you don't understand the difference between science and anti-science. That's okay, I suppose, if you stick to discussing the subject amongst yourself.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)with drinking alcohol? That's just silly.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Several other posters are using the same deception. It's transparent.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)In Berlum's world, the Catholic Church of 1632 are scientific materialists.
Sid
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)That there was no absolutely no point in (as the OP wrote):
When is the OP going to admit that they were very gullible to imagine that the crop circle might have had non-human origins, or that it was even worth spending a minute "researching"?
When is the OP going to admit they got suckered?
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Scientific Materialists can of course, and likely will cling to their beliefs, even though such beliefs can only lead to massive disillusion. As for me -- Mr. OP -- I'm interested in truth, not beliefs. It was definitely worthwhile to research this fake crop circle to learn that it had been created by a profit-driven Scientific Materialist corporation out to intentionally deceive the public. I take this deliberate deception as problematic and unethical, and well worth doing research to find out about.
Those who want to remain ignorant have the right, of course, to remain so -- that is as we know a core Republicon value, as exemplified in their own perverse belief in a veritable grab bag of Scientific Materialist Delusions.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)Your repeated usage of that term is trying to make it into a pejorative. We see the deception you are trying to pull over us. However, you better be careful about the over-use of that term because the other side of that coin is Irrational Spiritualists.
You are mistaken to think that science oriented people are more prone to "belief" over experience. We don't "believe" in gravity, we experience gravity. The explanation of the effects of gravity is known as the Theory of Gravitation, but it is as solid as the ground that will hit you if you step out a ten-story window believing in mind over matter. It is spiritualistic people who are more prone to beliefs and less amenable to actual evidence.
We haven't seen evidence of that. What we have seen is you falling all over your beliefs and jumping to conclusions about the crop circle in question.
There was no research and there was none needed. It was quickly revealed to be a marketing gimmick.
It was not a "fake", per se. Like all other crop circles it was simply manufactured, a human artifact.
The only way you can logically take that position is to be against all marketing. For example the book cover you use (as if it proves anything): it is not marketing a book about fish hooks.
Psychology is a science. Psychology has application to advertising and marketing. I'm sorry if this upsets you but those two facts do not discredit science or Science in any way.
Your attempted smear of DU posters is not pretty.
Actually, it is the Republicans who do the most to deny science. It may have escaped your notice, but in any case let me at least remind you that Republicans are more likely to be
* Climate Change Deniers
* Young Earth Creationists
* Abortion statistic abusers
* Drug war fanatics confusing cannabis with narcotics
* Law & Order deniers of demographic trends
* Upholders of scientificly discredited Austerity Economics
* Anti-Vaccination and public health
* Deniers of the impact of loss of habitat
* Ignorant of ecology
Any list you are likely to generate under the bogus label of "scientific materialist delusions" is sure to be rife with things that are not delusions, things that have to be stretched beyond ridiculousness to be considered delusions, and things that are just plain wrong. At the same time, there are huge lists of actual delusions that spiritualists and anti-materialists are staunch believers in.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Scientific Materialists, as opposed to scientists, are altogether worthy of pejoratives.
When you write: "What we have seen is you falling all over your beliefs and jumping to conclusions about the crop circle in question" is absolutely, factually false. I have no beliefs whatsoever about the crop circles or their cause, and none of my posts in this thread asserts any hypothesis, theory or conclusion. I have questions, and now those questions have been answered. The fake crop circle was an act of deliberate deception by a Scientific Materialist corporation for the sole purpose of boosting sales and profits.
I've no time to quibble with people attached not to science, but to Scientific Materialism, and who spread false information.
Thus, buh-bye, you are disappeared from my online universe.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)You wrote in the OP:
That is jumping to conclusions.
Further, you were the first to jump to invoke Nazis in this thread (post #57)
It is very telling about your supposed search for the "truth" when you proclaim putting a poster on ignore who is calling you out on specific points in your post, but you do not do the same for the poster who wrote " Dude, take your meds. Seriously."
However, I don't care. I can read your posts and of mine you can by choice be ignorant.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Not the other way around?
Geocentrism and heliocentrism, Big Oil and climate change, creationism and evolution.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)I said when I looked upon the form I thought of Tepco. I did not say --as you imagine and project -- that Tepco had anything to do with it.
Please try to get a grip on your rampant preconceptions and try dealing with reality. I'm rooting for you.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)His name is Peter Donnelly -- his art is as ephemeral as the crop "circle" artists -- and no aliens are involved.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Example:
pintobean
(18,101 posts)solarhydrocan
(551 posts)I didn't know there were snow circles.
2 guys with a board and string did that too? These blokes are Geniuses.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)and how to make a crop circle
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)The people who made that didn't just mumble some prayers and wing it. They used geometry and principles of surveying and such.
Maybe even some GPS... granted, a technology we got from the Roswell saucer, but still science.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)There are circles, and worse: Angles!!
beevul
(12,194 posts)mathematic
(1,434 posts)I bet you'd have us believe that aliens made these with tools or something when everybody that isn't a close-minded philosophical illiterate knows that aliens are merely the vessel by which the supernatural world interacts with the natural world.
How else would nonphysical events like consciousness interact with the physical world? As if wooden boards spring from the ether without the aid of aliens! Sorry, peddle that nonsense elsewhere Einstein.
I'm sick and tired of crops circles being narrowly interpreted by scientific materialists. They're so eager to shoehorn all the world's mysteries into the little box of physical reality they're blind to the universality of thought. Come on, be honest, does "corn fields flattened into geometric shapes with mathematical precision" sound like it has anything to do with the physical world at all?
edhopper
(33,485 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I've also noticed that they've started working with grass. It's mostly in major league baseball parks, but I expect it to expand to lawns soon.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)I would have an excuse to not mow. I would be all, "Hey, I am not mowing over ART, you Philistines!!"
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)A simple Google search would have solved the mystery for them.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...laugh nervously and mock those who say they "get it".
Nothing like a mystery to bring out the usual crowd of high school science geniuses who want to enlighten us...
Sad.
.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)"how to make a crop circle", mystery solved.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Tell us what's so mysterious about a crop circle, oh wise one who gets it.
Sid
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...is clearly "Who stomped on this farmers field?" You say you have the answer-lets have a look at the "who".
Sad.
.
Logical
(22,457 posts)CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)simply the names of the people making them? I don't think that's what NBC was alluding to,they're playing to ignorant superstition by pretending there is still no logical explanation for crop circles. Again,shame on them.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Crop circle: No, it wasn't aliens, it was marketers
(CNN) -- Sorry, dear readers, but the crop circle discovered last week etched in a farmer's barley field in Chualar, California, was not created by aliens.
Instead -- surprise! -- it was a stunt intended to attract publicity to the release of a mobile processor used in automobiles, tablets and cell phones made by the computer graphics company NVIDIA, according to its president and CEO, Jen-Hsun Huang.
more
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/tech/california-crop-circle-hoax/
Sid
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)The use of colors! The geometric letters! WHO COULD HAVE DONE THIS?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Absolutely nailed it.
Sid
Iggo
(47,535 posts)Tell us, oh wise aliens!
What are you trying to tell us?
Nanu-nanu.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I mean it's amazing if you think about it.
Some extra terrestrial beings, who have managed to more fully understand the laws of physics and break the speed of light to travel like a 11 thousand million light years, through the vast emptiness of interstellar space, to leave us an incredibly obscure yet fleeting message, resembling an Intel 486DX2 chip in a field of barley, that could be easily erased by fire, severe wind or a farmer, containing a braille message repeating the cryptic message "#192" over and over, yet for some reason, with all of their technology, they could not figure out how to send us a tweet, or e-mail, or even something in one of the vast languages this planet speaks in and etch it into a rock or something.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)College frat boys cannot fly spaceships...
Geeze!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)only makes his presence known to us on toast and Doritos,for the laughs.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)They may be so far advanced, they went all the way around and look stupid. But they aren't.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Jesus can only appear on bread products because of FAITH. If he appeared in unambiguously human and believably Jesoid form (accompanied, presumably, by supernatural wine and sea-food production) we'd all have to believe in him straight away, which would obviate the need for FAITH, so he can only ever appear on weird doofus things otherwise he will inadvertently delegitimise TEH FREEDOMS OF TEH WILLZ.
Seriously, Paradise has an entire division dedicated to dreaming up new physical manifestations of Divinity with credibility carefully subtracted to strike just the right balance between "spookily Jesusoid!" and "LAAAME."
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)edhopper
(33,485 posts)... It made a sound I would not want to hear twice in my life. "
Iggo
(47,535 posts)edhopper
(33,485 posts)and my favorite quote for threads like this.
Here's a hint. da - da - da - DA -DUN.
I'm relieved.
I was afraid you were quoting a DUer.
I'm all better now.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)edhopper
(33,485 posts)it's just that they are all done by people.
And I like how without one shred of evidence that they were done by anything but people, and with all the ones that show people have done them.
Some cling to the notion , absent any reason, that somehow, some of them might have other causes. Funny that.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)a cave drawing that looks identical to the ones from 10,000 years ago, so they must all have been made by that guy. LOL
"crop circles" were actually around before the complex designs we now know as crop circles. Orignally they were just burned land and grass in the shape of a circle that immediately followed a documented UFO sighting. They were a byproduct of the UFO sighting, rather than today where some people see a crop design and think it may have been made by a UFO.
Cave drawings can be dated, in several different ways. Those results are evidence for the ages of the cave drawings. That's how science works.
There is no evidence whatsoever that these pretty landscape patterns have a non-human origin.
Iggo
(47,535 posts)(At least I hope they're not saying that...)
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)You go outside and find your parked car was dented during the night.
Was it dented by another car or a dinosaur?
It can easily be shown that cars often bump into other cars. Endless video of this phenomenon happening.
There is not entirely reliable case of a dinosaur bumping a car.
Why would the demonstration that car-bumping is common not lead to discounting the dinosaur theory?
There is nothing to SUPPORT the dinosaur theory to begin with. Its only support is that we don't know the full story of every car dent.
And that is NOT support for whatever crazy thing someone speculates. It merely fails to absolutely disprove such craziness.
But almost nothing in this world is absolutely disproved. I could be an unusually educated elephant typing with my trunk.
I could. You cannot PROVE that I am not. You can, however, determine to a very high level of probability (99.9999999999999999999% stuff) that I am not an elephant.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Iggo
(47,535 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)is that a species of aliens has advanced to a massive level of technology, such that they can travel faster than light. They have managed to find our particular little rock in an utterly vast and empty cosmos - comparable to finding one particular grain of sand on a beach.
And when they get here, they decide to....flatten some plants.
You might want to take a moment to really think about what you are proposing.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...or even one containing information no human could have had, and I will consider what other intelligence might have been involved.
Until then, it's much simpler and more practical to presume these things the work of human artists/hoaxers. It isn't as much fun, maybe, but is there a need for other theories?
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)a group of pranksters. They are legion. They never forget.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)and how much of a loss the farmer incurred in getting rid of it. Is the rest of the field salvageable? Or do mechanical harvesting methods mean there is no way to exclude the damaged part from the still healthy plants?
senseandsensibility
(16,933 posts)and I am curious as well. Salinas grows much of the country's lettuce. It's sometimes known as the salad bowl.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The makers say that the flattened crops can still be harvested as long as they haven't been walked around on too much.
And in some other cases, they are created with permission of the land owner.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)University of Southern CALIFORNIA Marching TROJAN BAND?
stopbush
(24,393 posts)That's the aliens leaving us a message that the solution to overpopulation is to use condoms.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)A 310-foot "crop circle" in a California barley field that mystified locals this week was explained Sunday: it was a publicity stunt by Nvidia Corp., a maker of chips for PCs and smartphones.
The crop circle near Chualar, Calif., contained a stylized image of a computer chip and the number "192" in Braille. On Sunday, the company announced the Tegra K1, a new chip for tablets and smartphones that contains 192 computing "cores," or mini-computers, for graphics applications.
Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said at a press conference in Las Vegas, ahead of the International Consumer Electronics Show, that he had given his marketing department the mission to promote the chip on a shoe-string budget. The crop circle received wide attention. Rumors of Santa Clara, Calif.-based Nvidia's involvement appeared Sunday before the press conference.
The circle was plowed under a few days after its discovery.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/nvidia-promotes-chip-crop-circle-21430286
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and held this press conference to cover it up and protect the aliens.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)There should be aliens!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)(CNN) -- Sorry, dear readers, but the crop circle discovered last week etched in a farmer's barley field in Chualar, California, was not created by aliens.
Instead -- surprise! -- it was a stunt intended to attract publicity to the release of a mobile processor used in automobiles, tablets and cell phones made by the computer graphics company NVIDIA, according to its president and CEO, Jen-Hsun Huang.
more
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/tech/california-crop-circle-hoax/
Sid
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Duh!
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)About a year ago or so I saw a program on Nat Geo or the Discovery channel that showed a couple of different groups of guys planning and executing a crop circle.
Rex
(65,616 posts)When did this start? Whoever did not get me the memo in time...your fired!
Obviously aliens did not make crop circles or have a hand in anything we do...why would they want to help a bunch of backwater bipeds that like to snark at each other over trivial matters? If they want that, all they have to do is watch the Zeeblers fight over hyper sleep (good for bad for you in the 6th dimension) in their Intergalactic Zoo. Which is of course human free and on board the Mothership.
Personally, i would rather colonize Venus nekked than get snarked to death by the Scientific Materialist claque...which makes me ask; are you guys getting paid in quatloos or hyper credits?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Previous to their joining DU, I didn't think I'd see it among DUers, Democrats, democrats and those who respect others' ideas and beliefs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)is here and there purpose in life is to tell you who to vote for, what to think, feel, what to drink, which 'science' to believe, which artwork is good and which is trash, what to eat, what to read and watch on TV and if you even vary 1% from the absolute you are found to be lacking of their standard and open for scorn and ridicule.
Unlike you however, I tend to ignore them, what is the point really? They love it when you say you are frustrated and hate wasting your time in replies...just stop doing it!!!
Stop feeding the snark sharks. Ignore is really, really easy...hell I don't even use the List anymore. I just ignore them!
I've never put people supposedly in my party up on a pedestal and always knew some of them were just a slight shade away from posting on FR.
The more you give them attention, the more they love it and will badger you even more for negative stimulus.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Is it necessary to be so cruel?
Life is short. Have a wonderful night DU.