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Berlum

(7,044 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:59 PM Jan 2014

NBC News: Mysterious California Crop Circle plowed over

For whatever reason, when I look at this crop circle the thought "Tepco" invades my brainpan.

Cue the Scientific Materialist claque...10...9...8...

A mysterious crop circle in the Salinas Valley in central California attracted so much attention that the land-owner hired armed security guards to keep people off the property.

But the crop circle is gone. On Tuesday, the landlord ordered a crew to plow over the entire field.
Aerial photographer Julie Belanger spotted the crop circle as she was flying over the valley Monday morning.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/01/22134100-mysterious-calif-crop-circle-plowed-over?fb_action_ids=10202503295774309&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=AddThis_Blogs&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B553223341434956%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.recommends%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22AddThis_Blogs%22%5D

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NBC News: Mysterious California Crop Circle plowed over (Original Post) Berlum Jan 2014 OP
Occam's Razor - Dash87 Jan 2014 #1
Too bad. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #2
It's too square to be a crop circle. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2014 #3
Would this qualify? Berlum Jan 2014 #7
Remember this one?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #12
Hahahaa.... SidDithers Jan 2014 #4
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! X_Digger Jan 2014 #6
Is that Braille or Conway's Life in the middle? longship Jan 2014 #8
Ahhh... greytdemocrat Jan 2014 #10
Looks like a CPU mask ryan_cats Jan 2014 #18
Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #42
"Aerial photographer" pintobean Jan 2014 #11
Heheh... SidDithers Jan 2014 #13
Lol. Great minds pintobean Jan 2014 #17
The chemtrails made him do it!! trotsky Jan 2014 #186
This one was pretty interesting, sort of relaxing to sit and stare at it! RKP5637 Jan 2014 #5
local link... hunter Jan 2014 #9
Other than Uri Geller, has any other "phenomenon" been as thoroughly debunked? Orrex Jan 2014 #14
Hey, are you the Scientific Materialist claque? arcane1 Jan 2014 #16
I brush between scientific materialist meals to eliminate scientific materialist claque Orrex Jan 2014 #21
Some scientists... liberalmuse Jan 2014 #208
Scientists are frequently fooled by hucksters and charlatans like Geller... SidDithers Jan 2014 #210
"Scientific Materialist claque"? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #15
Those are so damn cool. Autumn Jan 2014 #19
The idiot is the guy who created his artwork without permission... Iggo Jan 2014 #103
Weird. Octafish Jan 2014 #20
A good plan and a few simple surveying tools. pintobean Jan 2014 #22
Tractor and GPS... onpatrol98 Jan 2014 #36
Of course we can explain it. nt RedCappedBandit Jan 2014 #23
Hahahahaaha zappaman Jan 2014 #24
My thoughts exactly. n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #27
+1... SidDithers Jan 2014 #31
Bingo. This rather puts Octafish's obsession with JFK CTs in perspective, does it not? stopbush Jan 2014 #93
No. It demonstrates the lengths certain posters will go to smear me. Octafish Jan 2014 #96
and in the 25 years since you think they MIGHT have an explanation? ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2014 #116
That's the thing. Octafish Jan 2014 #121
As usual, your interpretation of history is wrong... SidDithers Jan 2014 #122
You practice what you accuse others of doing. Octafish Jan 2014 #128
Your credulity at every CT and bit of woo is becoming legend, octafish...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #129
Smearing me must be your objective; it's not mine. Octafish Jan 2014 #134
I don't smear you. You smear yourself... SidDithers Jan 2014 #138
If you want to practice science, you would search for truth. Octafish Jan 2014 #150
bltresearch?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #151
Has BLT Research edhopper Jan 2014 #154
Now you've made me hungry... zappaman Jan 2014 #159
I am as anti-woo as they come, SidDithers, but Octafish is a good DUer Heidi Jan 2014 #233
And, as usual, when the "evidence" is debunked, it gets ignored. zappaman Jan 2014 #174
So, we have a tall tale and a drawing pintobean Jan 2014 #127
Er, the late 1980s were 25 years ago. stopbush Jan 2014 #190
Show where I've intentionally lied or presented information that was not true on DU. Octafish Jan 2014 #192
I can't read your mind to divine your intentions. stopbush Jan 2014 #197
Nailed it! zappaman Jan 2014 #199
How telling. Octafish Jan 2014 #201
Awwwwww. zappaman Jan 2014 #202
That reads like what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover wrote. Octafish Jan 2014 #200
As for Crop Circles, no where did I post who or what created them. As far as I know, no one knows." zappaman Jan 2014 #203
If I had, I wouldn't have bothered pointing it out. Octafish Jan 2014 #205
Good luck with your investigation of "The Mysterious Crop Circle Mystery"! zappaman Jan 2014 #206
When all you have is ridicule, zappaman... Octafish Jan 2014 #214
ok zappaman Jan 2014 #307
Posting a bunch of links to your own DU posts isn't exactly proof of anything stopbush Jan 2014 #217
True. What it shows is how wrong you are. Octafish Jan 2014 #218
Isn't it funny how someone can imagine all kinds zappaman Jan 2014 #219
And even funnier how they cling to the tangential, while rejecting that for which stopbush Jan 2014 #221
Well said...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #193
How brave. Octafish Jan 2014 #194
Waah...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #195
Really? Octafish Jan 2014 #196
when everything you posit has been thoroughly debunked over and over and over... it makes you look a dionysus Jan 2014 #278
If you think that is so, you are wrong. Octafish Jan 2014 #287
i take your attempted insult as a badge of honor! dionysus Jan 2014 #288
You've no Journal or any memorable posts. Octafish Jan 2014 #289
Yeah zappaman Jan 2014 #290
does this mean i have to post a shit ton of woo to make myself more memorable? dionysus Jan 2014 #293
Don't forget allegations that you never can back up when challenged! zappaman Jan 2014 #297
i, sir, am an astronaut. has that one been taken yet? dionysus Jan 2014 #302
Heh. I remember your journal when it first started, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2014 #294
Like most of your assertions, that would be a lie, my friend. zappaman Jan 2014 #295
Where did I lie, zappaman? Octafish Jan 2014 #298
Is your computer broken? zappaman Jan 2014 #299
Implying something I did not write does not make it so. Octafish Jan 2014 #300
LOL! zappaman Jan 2014 #301
How does my stating: 'I remember your journal when it first started, zappaman' constitute a lie? Octafish Jan 2014 #303
Because the post you copied wasn't when it "first started"! zappaman Jan 2014 #304
Mitchell and Webb do Scooby Doo... SidDithers Jan 2014 #306
Lee Harvey Oswald made a crop circle on the grassy knoll. Orrex Jan 2014 #228
I'd love to hear the naysayers explain that one. seattledo Jan 2014 #25
Yes, humans can't be precise. zappaman Jan 2014 #26
Well, circles and squares are notoriously hard to make...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #39
Not at all. A guy upthread claims he could do it with a tractor and a GPS. librechik Jan 2014 #167
Who says they're created by drunks?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #30
Who says they have to be drunk? Or that it was only two of them? arcane1 Jan 2014 #32
Too precise for drunks, so it must be.... Brickbat Jan 2014 #34
You start with a drawing, then grab a couple tall stakes, some string, and some boards. X_Digger Jan 2014 #35
Some of us love math. Codeine Jan 2014 #48
A handful of guys with boards made these works of crop circle art. Codeine Jan 2014 #52
Got a link to that? Octafish Jan 2014 #59
Here's where the images came from: arcane1 Jan 2014 #68
Obviously, aliens made that site to throw us off. zappaman Jan 2014 #69
I'm kind of curious about this "Mirage Men" documentary now arcane1 Jan 2014 #76
Big deal. That website is hawking a book. They do not show they made anything... Octafish Jan 2014 #94
What? That site is full of videos of them making circles. arcane1 Jan 2014 #145
Not the circles depicted in those images. Octafish Jan 2014 #147
So if there is no video of humans making that one, then humans didn't make it? arcane1 Jan 2014 #160
Duh. zappaman Jan 2014 #161
The claim was that the site made the ones illustrated. Octafish Jan 2014 #163
I only claimed that the site is where the photos came from. arcane1 Jan 2014 #171
That's because you only look at select woo-sites. Codeine Jan 2014 #75
!!!!! zappaman Jan 2014 #77
No, as nothing at that website shows them making the crop circles pictured. Octafish Jan 2014 #95
So, unlike what you wrote, there is no video of people making those particular crop circles? Octafish Jan 2014 #227
This one of Sarah Palin definitely made by aliens Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #271
Several farmers enjoy creating art in their fields. Octafish Jan 2014 #274
Do we have video of the artists creating that? zappaman Jan 2014 #296
This one took 2 nights to make... SidDithers Jan 2014 #62
How do we know they weren't aliens? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #143
any idea how long it took to make those? How many is "a handful"? solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #182
Your set of alternatives is a couple of yahoos or the fantastic? cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #80
And they were drunk! arcane1 Jan 2014 #81
You are claiming it was not humans??? nt Logical Jan 2014 #109
I'd love to hear the yaysayers explain why EVERY SINGLE ONE of these "mysterious" things sibelian Jan 2014 #207
Don't worry, some of DU's best investigators are on the case! zappaman Jan 2014 #216
I think the BFEE makes 'em... SidDithers Jan 2014 #28
Yup, they are just testing their earthquake and weather making machines. FSogol Jan 2014 #113
Fascinating! I hadn't seen that one. Incredible. Thanks for posting. solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #37
that's amazing Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #41
Green for victory!!...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #44
Holy shit. do you actually believe the tripe you just posted? Codeine Jan 2014 #49
Did I say that I believed the external content I posted? solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #180
You do realize that those are not the only two people who make these things, right? arcane1 Jan 2014 #188
Thank you for the information on that amazing image. Octafish Jan 2014 #64
... SidDithers Jan 2014 #66
Proof there is no limit to human gullibility. zappaman Jan 2014 #67
What really frustrates me: arcane1 Jan 2014 #70
Shhhhh! zappaman Jan 2014 #71
You actually believe we put a man on the moon? pintobean Jan 2014 #73
Now you've done it. arcane1 Jan 2014 #74
What the real mystery seems to be- is why it bothers you and your ilk so much? notadmblnd Jan 2014 #149
Credulity Kills jberryhill Jan 2014 #204
LOLZ. I bet the OP is a big History Channel watcher Viking12 Jan 2014 #198
I love Giorgio! Amaril Jan 2014 #215
he has never been as stoned, or had his hair bouffed out so much, since that day... dionysus Jan 2014 #281
Hey Sid pintobean Jan 2014 #82
Hawkeye's an ass... SidDithers Jan 2014 #85
I disagree pintobean Jan 2014 #87
You're Mr. Research right? If you spent any time looking into these phenomenon snooper2 Jan 2014 #119
Condescension suits you perfectly. Octafish Jan 2014 #125
LOL snooper2 Jan 2014 #133
Here's how a Thinker put it... Octafish Jan 2014 #146
The gullibility of the crop circle suckers is truly amazing: "Confession Hollow" ! Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #284
Thanks for this great post. democratisphere Jan 2014 #158
Look at the lengths decoders go to: Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #280
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #38
Uhh, we can explain it just fine. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #40
+1, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #43
"Can't explain"? Except that whole part where they've been totally fucking explained, right? Codeine Jan 2014 #47
Please. sagat Jan 2014 #50
Here's an explanation and demonstration of the phenomenon pintobean Jan 2014 #51
They're sober, doing hard work, with meticulous planning arcane1 Jan 2014 #54
All the kids at my high school with straight A's were alien spawn. Coyotl Jan 2014 #118
I hear you arikara Jan 2014 #83
you just might be a big silly NJCher Jan 2014 #86
When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras. n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #89
I couldn't agree more NJCher Jan 2014 #91
Thanks for nothin' ET. We already figured out PI. Tell us something new. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #92
Weird William Seger Jan 2014 #98
Yes, you nailed the stupidest point of the assertion jberryhill Jan 2014 #137
Did the Amazing Randi tell you that, jberryhill? Octafish Jan 2014 #250
LOL! zappaman Jan 2014 #251
What's really goofy jberryhill Jan 2014 #253
Standard Operating Procedure. zappaman Jan 2014 #255
How many times did you meet Frank Zappa, zappaman? Octafish Jan 2014 #260
17 and a half. zappaman Jan 2014 #285
Only in your paranoid imagination jberryhill Jan 2014 #252
Yes, but he has talked to astronauts! zappaman Jan 2014 #254
As a point in fact, I have jberryhill Jan 2014 #256
Did you ask them where these "mysterious" crop circles came from? zappaman Jan 2014 #257
Remarkably, it didn't occur to me to ask, no. jberryhill Jan 2014 #258
''Paranoid Imagination.'' Octafish Jan 2014 #262
"That's the language the FBI disinformation artists used" jberryhill Jan 2014 #264
You misunderstood: Followers of Amazing Randi use similar techniques as the FBI. Octafish Jan 2014 #267
Yeah, you know what else McCarthyites and disinfo peddlers do? jberryhill Jan 2014 #269
Not my job. Octafish Jan 2014 #272
Denigrating you? jberryhill Jan 2014 #275
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #110
Why would aliens encode a decimal number? jberryhill Jan 2014 #140
Indeed, why would the Simpsons use base 10? William Seger Jan 2014 #230
Mocking people has nothing to do with "democratic" ideals. It has to do with making your case. MADem Jan 2014 #142
Sigh...what's next, flat earth? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #243
Gee. I don't recall treating other DUers like I've been treated on this thread. Octafish Jan 2014 #248
I don't have explanations for every single crop circle ever made. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #249
I brought up the astronauts because you brought up the flat earth. Octafish Jan 2014 #261
Oh FFS... SidDithers Jan 2014 #263
SidDithers, DU's friend of what is and what should be. Octafish Jan 2014 #265
Monitoring?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #266
''Don't fucking flatter yourself''? You're the one who said it, Dude. Octafish Jan 2014 #270
"Certainly some, if not most, are man-made. Some, however, have no plausible explanation"... SidDithers Jan 2014 #276
The thing is Sid... CanSocDem Jan 2014 #279
Thanks for your comments... SidDithers Jan 2014 #282
I will be keeping an eye on you! zappaman Jan 2014 #291
crop circles Skittles Jan 2014 #29
Now THAT I can believe! arcane1 Jan 2014 #33
"Scientific Materialist" - those nasty people that insist on actual evidence... Archae Jan 2014 #45
I guess you are still bummed you can't post about "chemtrails"... zappaman Jan 2014 #46
WARNING: You are having forbidden thoughts & using forbidden words Berlum Jan 2014 #57
There's certainly nothing natural pintobean Jan 2014 #58
Nice picture of contrails...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #60
Dude, take your meds. Seriously. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #90
It looks to me like you're taunting admin pintobean Jan 2014 #156
Not everything is a conspiracy. Some things are just bullshit. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #305
Please let me know if you think aliens did this. Because I will laugh. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #53
I'm with Dusty Smith on this one. Gore1FL Jan 2014 #55
Logic. Iggo Jan 2014 #104
You think a Japanese utility has something to do with flattened plants in Salinas? LeftyMom Jan 2014 #56
I was wondering that myself. arcane1 Jan 2014 #61
I hope the OP is busy writing a script. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #63
The OP is a plain and simple news report from NBC News... Berlum Jan 2014 #100
Um, it wasn't "scientific materialists of yesteryear" who persecuted Galileo William Seger Jan 2014 #141
They were locked into their narrow perception of reality...so Berlum Jan 2014 #162
So words mean whatever you want them to mean William Seger Jan 2014 #166
Why do you keep equating people creating crop circles sufrommich Jan 2014 #168
It's a deliberate attempt to discredit the claim that hu7mans created the circles. arcane1 Jan 2014 #172
Amazing, isn't it... SidDithers Jan 2014 #169
I'll watch the movie too if it has MindMobsters cemaphonic Jan 2014 #220
So, when is the OP going to admit that they were wonky-woo about the original crop circle Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #241
No point in doing actual research? Berlum Jan 2014 #244
No point in this case or any crop circle case. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #245
Spreading falsehoods just casts Scientific Materialists in an uglier light Berlum Jan 2014 #246
You wrote: Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #247
Ooo Corporate deception! Aliens! Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #268
You know historically it's been woo pushers that have conspired against science NuclearDem Jan 2014 #242
Nah. I never said that. No need to set up a straw man Berlum Jan 2014 #120
Have you seen the amazing beach sand artist of New Zealand? He's not anonymous.... Hekate Jan 2014 #65
Beautiful! They are being done in snow too. arcane1 Jan 2014 #72
Proof that aliens use doilies. pintobean Jan 2014 #99
That is incredible. Stunning and beautiful. Thanks for posting! solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #181
The snow patterns are done by just one guy, Simon Beck arcane1 Jan 2014 #187
So cool - thanks for posting! polichick Jan 2014 #191
If you want a good laugh! Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #78
Um... the Scientific Materialist claque is Responsible for this cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #79
Aliens mapped out the streets of Washington DC arcane1 Jan 2014 #84
Resembles an old pentium processor. N/T beevul Jan 2014 #88
You scientific materialists are so predictable mathematic Jan 2014 #97
Nice satire n/t. edhopper Jan 2014 #152
Finally...a thread to compete with the moon bombing one...nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #101
They're obviously pissed about that pintobean Jan 2014 #102
They can do one in my yard and then ... LisaLynne Jan 2014 #124
That looks like it was made by a wind turbine blade. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #157
no, 3 meters of hail fell precisely, then melted, leaving no trace.... dionysus Jan 2014 #286
3 meters, which is also 60cms! zappaman Jan 2014 #292
Shame on NBC for calling crop circles "mysterious". sufrommich Jan 2014 #105
When in doubt... CanSocDem Jan 2014 #106
There is no "mystery". Google sufrommich Jan 2014 #107
What's the mystery?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #108
The mystery... CanSocDem Jan 2014 #112
So unsolved arson fires might be aliens? nt Logical Jan 2014 #115
What are you talking about...??? (eom) CanSocDem Jan 2014 #117
So the mystery of crop circles is sufrommich Jan 2014 #123
Mystery solved!! SidDithers Jan 2014 #235
It's like finding graffiti mysterious. Brickbat Jan 2014 #135
Perfect analogy... SidDithers Jan 2014 #139
Hmm..."STRING"...hmm... Iggo Jan 2014 #155
'String' - I have a theory about that... MineralMan Jan 2014 #175
Is there any made up shit you don't believe? Ghosts? Esp? Astrology? nt Logical Jan 2014 #111
uh...no?!? (eom) CanSocDem Jan 2014 #114
Wow, what higher intelligence could have left such a message? Glassunion Jan 2014 #126
the circles are obviously alien college frat pranks n/t Godhumor Jan 2014 #130
Unpossible Glassunion Jan 2014 #131
They do it for the same reason Jesus sufrommich Jan 2014 #132
Or maybe, they are so smart, their efforts to communicate to us seem dumb. Glassunion Jan 2014 #136
NononononononononoNO. Not QUITE entirely right. sibelian Jan 2014 #209
I humbly stand corrected. lol. nt sufrommich Jan 2014 #212
Spooky Jesusoid would be great name for a band...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #213
Space trolls Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #144
yep Glassunion Jan 2014 #148
" I saw Bigfoot once. edhopper Jan 2014 #153
The quotation marks around that statement make me nervous. Iggo Jan 2014 #222
Movie reference edhopper Jan 2014 #223
Heheheh. Iggo Jan 2014 #224
I like how by debunking some crop circles, all crop circles are discounted as a hoax. cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #164
No they are all real edhopper Jan 2014 #165
That's like saying all cave drawings are a hoax because someone last year made cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #170
Huh? arcane1 Jan 2014 #173
No one's saying cave drawings were made by space aliens. Iggo Jan 2014 #179
That is as it should be. The burden of proof falls on the extraordinary. cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #176
It was both pintobean Jan 2014 #184
bEST.vOLKSWAGEN.eVER. Iggo Jan 2014 #185
So your argument... jeff47 Jan 2014 #226
Show me one that couldn't have been made by humans... Orsino Jan 2014 #229
Never underestimate the creativity and perseverance of MineralMan Jan 2014 #177
curious which crop the artist vandalized to make this... Deep13 Jan 2014 #178
I live fairly close to the farm in question senseandsensibility Jan 2014 #183
In a circle-making site linked elsewhere in this thread... arcane1 Jan 2014 #189
ARE WE sure it wasn't made by the yuiyoshida Jan 2014 #211
That's not the USC Trojan Marching Band. stopbush Jan 2014 #231
Tepco? Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #225
Nvidia Promotes New Chip With Crop Circle Crabby Appleton Jan 2014 #232
Obviously, Nvidia is getting their technology from aliens pintobean Jan 2014 #237
A crummy commercial? Sonuvabitch! MineralMan Jan 2014 #240
Crop circle: No, it wasn't aliens, it was marketers SidDithers Jan 2014 #234
Obviously, modern processor technology comes from space aliens. arcane1 Jan 2014 #239
The only mystery about crop circles is why do people believe aliens did it? hobbit709 Jan 2014 #236
lol! Yup. HappyMe Jan 2014 #238
So to get a million smart ass replies, all I have to do is type 'Scientific Materialist claque'? Rex Jan 2014 #259
Condescension makes a certain class of mind feel superior. Octafish Jan 2014 #273
I knew from the first days in 2001, a very special type of DUer Rex Jan 2014 #277
Wow. Just wow. This thread is just a study in how fucking mean DU has become. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #283

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
1. Occam's Razor -
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

The landlord was annoyed that stupid people kept trying to sneak onto his property, and hired people to keep them off. He finally pulled an "FML" and plowed the whole thing over.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
4. Hahahaa....
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014

"scientific materialism"

Crop circles are pieces of pretty art created by creative people.

Too bad the art was destroyed, but I guess the farmer had his reasons.

Sid

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. Is that Braille or Conway's Life in the middle?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:10 PM
Jan 2014

No matter which, do you know what this means????

The aliens from the Pleiades think we are all blind and have really big fingertips. Yup! That's it.

Not sure what it would mean if that was Conway's life.


ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
18. Looks like a CPU mask
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jan 2014

Looks like a CPU mask. It looks really cool. The guys who create these things in one night are pretty creative.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
11. "Aerial photographer"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jan 2014

sounds like a cover story.

We're expecting snow tonight. I'd better stock up on bread, milk, and vinegar.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
14. Other than Uri Geller, has any other "phenomenon" been as thoroughly debunked?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jan 2014

It's amazing that people still ascribe supernatural significance to these human-made designs.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
16. Hey, are you the Scientific Materialist claque?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014


Sadly though, Geller still has believers even today.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
21. I brush between scientific materialist meals to eliminate scientific materialist claque
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jan 2014

Works a treat!

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
208. Some scientists...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jan 2014

Who worked with Geller in one of our National Labs would disagree that he was ever debunked. I heard it straight from them, and so try to keep an open mind about things others easily dismiss.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
210. Scientists are frequently fooled by hucksters and charlatans like Geller...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jan 2014

Magicians, on the other hand, have extensively and completely shown that Geller is a fraud.

Sid

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
15. "Scientific Materialist claque"?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

It's been easily shown that crop circles can be made with a few people, each with a board to flatten crops.

Iggo

(47,535 posts)
103. The idiot is the guy who created his artwork without permission...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:42 AM
Jan 2014

...on someone else's field.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Weird.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jan 2014

Not the California crop circle, but people. As they can't explain the phenomenon or its origins, they mock others merely for wondering. How democratic, not.



Above is a wonder, the circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure.



Most complex crop circle ever discovered in British fields

By Richard Savill
The Telegraph (UK)
Last Updated: 12:40PM BST 17/06/2008

The most complex, "mind-boggling" crop circle ever to be seen in Britain has been discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.

The circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure
The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

It is has appeared in a field near Barbury Castle, an iron-age hill fort above Wroughton, Wilts, and has been described by astrophysicists as "mind-boggling".

Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

Article continuesadvertisement
"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.

"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."

CONTINUED...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2144652/Most-complex-crop-circle-ever-discovered-in-British-fields.html



Thanks for the heads-up, Berlum, on a fascinating subject.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
93. Bingo. This rather puts Octafish's obsession with JFK CTs in perspective, does it not?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 01:59 AM
Jan 2014

Even after ample evidence disproving Octa's various fantasies is provided, he keeps on with the "how undemocratic of you for not considering my fantasies to be facts" BS.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
96. No. It demonstrates the lengths certain posters will go to smear me.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:49 AM
Jan 2014

Crop circles were discussed on the front pages of The Wall Street Journal in the late 1980s. I'd tell you why I know that, but showing you anything is a waste of my time.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
122. As usual, your interpretation of history is wrong...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jan 2014
Many people believe that crop circles have been reported for centuries, a claim repeated in many books and websites devoted to the mystery. Their primary piece of evidence is a woodcut from 1678 that appears to show a field of oat stalks laid out in a circle. Some take this to be a first-hand eyewitness account of a crop circle, but a little historical investigation shows otherwise.

The woodcut was actually used to illustrate what in folklore is called a "mowing devil" legend, in which an English farmer told a worker with whom he was feuding that he "would rather pay the Devil himself" to cut his oat field than pay the fee demanded. The source of the harvesting is not unknown or mysterious — it is indeed Satan himself, who can be seen in the woodcut holding a scythe. According to the original text of the legend, the devil "cut them in round circles, and plac't every straw with that exactness that it would have taken up above an Age for any Man to perform what he did that one night." This image and story cannot be related to crop circles because it states explicitly that the crop was cut (i.e., harvested) rather than laid down, as occurs in crop circles.


http://www.livescience.com/26540-crop-circles.html

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
138. I don't smear you. You smear yourself...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jan 2014

every time you uncritically support every kooky, tin-foil idea that oozes into DU.

I do, again, laugh at your source. You think circular site.com is a credible resource for information about crop circles?



Look up bltresearch and tell me if you still think so.

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
150. If you want to practice science, you would search for truth.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jan 2014

Instead, you want to shut down discussion.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022386270#post7

Odd. That's also your approach to democracy.

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023176980#post58

Look on these or any thread or OP of mine we've crossed paths:

Even when your source is shit or your opinion wrong, I don't tell you to shut up.

Why? That would be un-scientific and un-democratic.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
151. bltresearch?...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

no comment?

They're prominently featured in the source that YOU provided to support your claim that the Mowing Devil woodcarving is evidence of crop circles from the middle ages.

From your link:

Are crop circles made by man?

No, the majority is not. Of all the (well over) 300 formations that were examined scientifically by Dr. William Levengood of the BLT Research Team, only 6% turned out to be 'suspicious'. They did not show the biophysical anomalies that are found in genuine crop formations (see Anomalies). Quite likely this 6% consisted of man-made formations (the so-called 'hoaxes').




And I've never told you to shut up. I do, and will continue, to illustrate why the "research" that you so frequently bring to DU, and is so lauded by your fan club, is mostly bunk.

Sid

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
233. I am as anti-woo as they come, SidDithers, but Octafish is a good DUer
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jan 2014

and there is no reason to be mean-spirited toward him.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
127. So, we have a tall tale and a drawing
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jan 2014

printed in a pamphlet. 25 years later, we were trying witches.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
190. Er, the late 1980s were 25 years ago.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jan 2014

We already know that you refuse to accept new information in the way of scientific testing when it comes to the JFK case. I guess you're also unwilling to accept what people have learned about the hoax that is crop circles in the past quarter of a century.

Of course, the JFK CTs are some of the biggest hoaxes in history. Maybe you're predisposed to liking hoaxes.

It also looks like you're one of those people who buys into things they hear as long as they agree with your biases, then hold onto those beliefs like a dog fighting over a bone.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
192. Show where I've intentionally lied or presented information that was not true on DU.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jan 2014

Go through my posts or my Journal on DU3 or DU2.

Show. Otherwise, don't smear. All that does is show what kind of person you are, stopbush.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
197. I can't read your mind to divine your intentions.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jan 2014

So I can't show where you have intentionally lied.

That said, it's clear that you continue to state as fact things that have been proven untrue. Case in point: you constantly cite the HSCA report as "proof" that there was a conspiracy afoot to kill JFK. Yet the "proof" upon which that spurious claim was made was debunked almost immediately by the NAS, and has been consistently debunked and re-debunked many times over the ensuing decade. In fact, over the decades, every reputable scientific examination of the Dictabelt "evidence" upon which that claim was made has come to the same conclusion - the evidence was bogus. There was no fourth shot recorded on that Dictabelt. In fact, NONE of the shots fired at JFK were recorded on that Dictabelt. None!

Yet you - along with most other zealous JFK CTists - continue to point to that non-evidence as some kind of governmental stamp of approval for your CT fantasies.

That shows what kind of person you are, Octa.

It's kinda sad, at least when seen in light of your absolute obsession with every lame-brained CT out there. It's not surprising that you hold out a belief that crop circles aren't simply the creation of enterprising and creative people, rather than aliens or mystical powers.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
200. That reads like what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover wrote.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jan 2014

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
203. As for Crop Circles, no where did I post who or what created them. As far as I know, no one knows."
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jan 2014

You don't know?

ETA:

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
205. If I had, I wouldn't have bothered pointing it out.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jan 2014

For some reason, certain posters like to say I said things I didn't.

It makes me waste time defending myself from smears.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
206. Good luck with your investigation of "The Mysterious Crop Circle Mystery"!
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jan 2014

I'll let you know if there are any upcoming conferences you can attend!
And if you need help, don't hesitate to call...

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
217. Posting a bunch of links to your own DU posts isn't exactly proof of anything
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

but the fact that you suffer the same conspiracy delusion as did most of the presenters at that whack-a-doodle conference you attended.

It's the equivalent of the inmates deciding who in the asylum is sane.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
219. Isn't it funny how someone can imagine all kinds
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jan 2014

Of intricate, amazing, convoluted theories when it comes to the assassination of a president, but when it comes to crop circles, they can't imagine humans being smart enough to do it?
Sad.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
221. And even funnier how they cling to the tangential, while rejecting that for which
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jan 2014

vast amounts of corroborating evidence exists.

The single bullet theory is a good example: there's tons of forensic and ballistic evidence that corroborates that CE399 was fired by Oswald from his rifle, that it struck both men etc. Yet Octa and his ilk reject all of that, usually by claiming there was vast conspiracy behind every single piece of evidence.

On the other hand, they cling to the Dictabelt evidence as if it were gospel, even though members of the HSCA had grave misgivings about it at the time, and even though that "evidence" has been falsified numerous times over the years.

When the delusion is so strong, facts don't stand a chance.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
278. when everything you posit has been thoroughly debunked over and over and over... it makes you look a
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014

bit silly.

CTs? check
Crop circles? check
woo medicine? check

now, in all seriousness, do you believe in chemtrails?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
287. If you think that is so, you are wrong.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014

Feel free to disagree with anything I post. Show me where I'm wrong. I'm happy to admit an error. Don't worry, I won't smear you with labels or condescension.

As for what you post: Even though your profile says you've been here since 2001, I can't recall anything you've posted worth reading. Sorry.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
297. Don't forget allegations that you never can back up when challenged!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jan 2014

You have a long way to go before you catch up to the master!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
294. Heh. I remember your journal when it first started, zappaman.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jan 2014


I see it has expanded, in quantity anyway.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
295. Like most of your assertions, that would be a lie, my friend.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:19 PM
Jan 2014

First post in journal:

I should be flattered you googled me!
Bush is a big stinky man and so are his offspring....particularly Jeb, Dubya, and Neil.
Happy now?

So, tell me...are you accusing Gerald Ford as being an accessory to the assassination of JFK?

Or will you just evade the question as usual?


Why do you lie like that, Octafish?

ETA: to make clear what was my journal entry by italicizing.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
299. Is your computer broken?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jan 2014

Right here is a lie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4312490

That was not when my journal "first started".

LIE:
1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2: to create a false or misleading impression

Anything else you need help with?
I'm here to teach you, my student.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
300. Implying something I did not write does not make it so.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jan 2014

That image was taken when you were first made out to have a journal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4071087

I noted at the time how odd it was that you had four posts, at least two of which had to do with me.

Gosh. Who's the liar, zappaman?

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
301. LOL!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:55 PM
Jan 2014

I love when you get caught!
You never admit it!
Consistency!
For someone with zero sense of humor, you sure can be funny!

Keep us posted on your investigation!


When you're done, I hear there is an old amusement park that is said to be haunted!


Perhaps you can unmask the "ghost"!


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
303. How does my stating: 'I remember your journal when it first started, zappaman' constitute a lie?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jan 2014

It's what I wrote. Yet, you call that a lie.

Calling me a liar is a smear and it's a propaganda technique.

Seeing how have to use a bunch of Scooby Doo cartoons to make a point, maybe it's not so odd.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
304. Because the post you copied wasn't when it "first started"!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jan 2014

Now, are you having problems with the English language?
Jee Wilikers!

However, you are right. It IS unfair to compare you to The Scooby Doo Gang since they actually SOLVED things.
Breaking any new ground with your JFK investigation?
Perhaps there is an upcoming conference you can waste your---er---attend.

 

seattledo

(295 posts)
25. I'd love to hear the naysayers explain that one.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jan 2014

It's simply too precise to be a couple of drunks with a couple of pieces of plywood.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
167. Not at all. A guy upthread claims he could do it with a tractor and a GPS.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jan 2014

I'd like to see the ones he spoiled while getting as good as the OP is--or was.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
32. Who says they have to be drunk? Or that it was only two of them?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jan 2014


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A wind-up wristwatch is infinitely more complex and precise than this circular landscaping, but nobody pretends that the watch wasn't made by humans. Designed and invented by them, too.

If you have evidence that it wasn't created by humans, please present it. Otherwise it's just fantasizing.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
35. You start with a drawing, then grab a couple tall stakes, some string, and some boards.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jan 2014

Drive one stake into the center, take the string that you've placed marks on, connect it to the stake.

Drive another stake at your staring point, and starting from there, flatten the crops for a proscribed number of steps, keeping the string taut. When you've taken enough steps to line up the center stake with your starting point, you know you have a perfect half-circle.

Move out to the next mark, step forward the number of steps required to make 1/10th of the circle, and start again.

I know, math and geometry are scary to some, but it's not rocket science.



 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
48. Some of us love math.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

Fiddling with numbers and geometries is not only easy, it's fun for some folks. And since the whole of modern human civilization is based on the creation of precision constructs both minuscule and enormous it doth boggle the mind to assume humans are incapable of being precise, ordered, and methodical.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
52. A handful of guys with boards made these works of crop circle art.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jan 2014

Even filmed themselves doing it. Looks pretty damned "precise" to me.



And this beauty.



A beautiful bit of Mandelbrot-esque work made for the National Geographic channel.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
59. Got a link to that?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jan 2014

The ones I've seen confirmed made by people using boards don't resemble any of those.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
94. Big deal. That website is hawking a book. They do not show they made anything...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:36 AM
Jan 2014

...including those crop circles pictured above. What a time waster.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
160. So if there is no video of humans making that one, then humans didn't make it?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jan 2014

Humans only made the ones that have videos?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
163. The claim was that the site made the ones illustrated.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jan 2014

The ones illustrated are not the ones they're making at the site.

Verstehen?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
171. I only claimed that the site is where the photos came from.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jan 2014

Are you contending that these were not made by humans? Whether the humans that run the website, or some other humans? The circle-makers at the site don't believe in non-human origin.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
95. No, as nothing at that website shows them making the crop circles pictured.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:41 AM
Jan 2014

Why go through all that trouble? Do you really think you proved anything other than your ignorance?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
227. So, unlike what you wrote, there is no video of people making those particular crop circles?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:51 PM
Jan 2014

I thought so, seeing how your posts indicate an intention to ridicule rather than discuss.

FWIW: The reason I asked, some crop circles are not the same as crop circle shown to be made by people.

For those interested in learning more about a fascinating subject:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2012a.html


Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
271. This one of Sarah Palin definitely made by aliens
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jan 2014

It doesn't resemble any of the ones confirmed made by people.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
274. Several farmers enjoy creating art in their fields.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

Here are two other people I think little of:



The Sarah Palin image you posted also looks like that.


SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
62. This one took 2 nights to make...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jan 2014

the "aliens" must have taken a break, gone off to visit with their alien wives and kids, maybe hit the local alien pub for an alien pint or two, then came back the next night to finish the job.



Sid

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
182. any idea how long it took to make those? How many is "a handful"?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jan 2014

did they do that at night? Winter night or summer night?

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
80. Your set of alternatives is a couple of yahoos or the fantastic?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014

By that standard the Brooklyn bridge was obviously built by aliens.

You can't expect me to believe a couple of guys just threw up a bridge that tall using rocks they found along the Hudson river!

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
207. I'd love to hear the yaysayers explain why EVERY SINGLE ONE of these "mysterious" things
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jan 2014

represent, without exception, concepts and geometric figures perfectly commensurate with well-understood human scientific knowledge.

Cos, you know, the aliens will be wanting to tell us spooky cosmic things that we already know.

The EPICNESS of the LAMENESS of the spookidee-doo.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
37. Fascinating! I hadn't seen that one. Incredible. Thanks for posting.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:03 PM
Jan 2014

I want to meet these guys Dave and Doug or whoever because I don't know anyone that can do that. Seriously, can you imagine traipsing around at night in a field with some boards and string and being able to do something like that?

Have you seen this one? Crabwood Crop Circle

The story behind it is a mind bender.



Apparently Doug and Dave can do 3d too- hard to get that shading just right at night, I'd think.

The binary-ASCII code from Crabwood 2002: a second message embedded somewhere?

On August 15, 2002, a now-famous crop picture appeared at Crabwood in England. It showed the schematic image of a "military grey alien" using an old-fashioned 60-line TV signal from the 1950's, and also the image of a "spiral compact disc".

Lucy Pringle (http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/crabwood),
Martin Keitel (http://www.martinkeitel.net/cropcircles/articles/alien.html)
and Paul Vigay (http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html) have already given excellent analyses of that particular crop picture, which was perhaps the most significant to date.

Yet its "compact disc" provided only a fairly obscure message for the inhabitants of Earth, when translated from 8-bit binary ASCII code into English. Thus, its 1368-digit string of zeros and ones read as follows:

"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.Much PAIN but still time.BELIEVE.There is GOOD out there.We oPpose DECEPTION.COnduit CLOSING\"

Taken on face value, that ASCII message would seem to: (i) warn us against any possible alliance with the military grey aliens, who may have promised (some governments in secrecy) advanced weaponry systems for nation-state warfare, that turned out later not to work; (ii) warn us that there will be much trouble on Earth in our short-term future; (iii) inform us that there are also good, spiritual extra-terrestrials hanging around Earth today, in addition to the nasty ones; (iv) inform us that they know about media lies and deception concerning the reality of modern crop circles; and (v) inform us that such messages are being sent to Earth by means of "space time conduit" technology, that we later saw depicted in the "wormhole" crop pictures from 2006 (see www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/wormholetechnology.html).
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2007n.html

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
49. Holy shit. do you actually believe the tripe you just posted?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jan 2014

Military grey aliens and warning about wormhole technology? Are you just plain shitting us?

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
180. Did I say that I believed the external content I posted?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:47 PM
Jan 2014

I did not. I simply posted what other people have said.

I don't know what to believe about that or other crop circles, except that if Doug and Dave really did that I want to meet them. I have trouble getting help to move a couch, yet these blokes can go out with their boards, string and gps devices and somehow make an image like that in a field.

And you have to give them extra credit too, because the night in England in August is about 5 or 6 hours long. I'd imagine that it might take more than 2 guys to make an image like that in 5 or 6 hours.

And they do it for free!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
188. You do realize that those are not the only two people who make these things, right?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

There are videos in this very thread showing groups of people making them.

Why do you keep pretending it is just two people? Is it an attempt to discredit the claim that humans made these, by making it sound absurd? There's a name for that, you know.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
64. Thank you for the information on that amazing image.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:46 PM
Jan 2014

Every picture tells a story. And while many examples of man-made crop circles are known, no one, including Doug and Dave, has been able to explain the phenomenon, bent stalks, intricate designs, overnight and silent creation, and history going back centuries.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
70. What really frustrates me:
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jan 2014

Is that these beautiful designs are a testament to human cleverness, creativity, and ingenuity, and yet the reaction is "Humans aren't clever, creative, or ingenious enough to do that. We can put a man on the moon, but these patterns in crops are just too complex for mere fleshy mortals."

Same thing with the pyramids

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
149. What the real mystery seems to be- is why it bothers you and your ilk so much?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jan 2014

So flipping what if someone chooses to believe that crop circles are/were made by extraterrestrials?

Are your lives so empty and devoid of any semblance of joy or happiness that all you folks have left is the feeling of self superiority and satisfaction you get by demeaning and ridiculing others?



 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
204. Credulity Kills
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jan 2014


“I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.”

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
82. Hey Sid
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jan 2014

There's some asshole stirring shit on the facebook DU group and Hawkeye seems to think it's you.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
87. I disagree
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jan 2014

He's a wannabe, but he doesn't really have what it takes. He tries, though... he tries.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
119. You're Mr. Research right? If you spent any time looking into these phenomenon
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jan 2014

You would know that different governments create crop circles so that the World Health Organization knows where and what type of chem trails to lay down in a particular area.


some researcher you are LOL...There's a conference coming up on this in Berlin FYI-

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
284. The gullibility of the crop circle suckers is truly amazing: "Confession Hollow" !
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jan 2014

They still don't believe it is human made even after the admission by NVidia.



Lots of nonsense about it in their three part report:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2159&category=Environment

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
158. Thanks for this great post.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jan 2014

To believe Earth is the only planet in the cosmos with 'intelligent' beings is pure folly.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
280. Look at the lengths decoders go to:
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

Read the extensive discussion on "decoding" the OP's crop circle by the true believers, all of course for nothing.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2159&category=Environment

Response to Octafish (Reply #20)

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
40. Uhh, we can explain it just fine.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jan 2014

But not everyone actually wants to know the answer. We mock people who continue to believe in fantasies like we mock Bill O'Reilly for his "the tide goes in. the tide goes out. You can't explain that!" comment.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
47. "Can't explain"? Except that whole part where they've been totally fucking explained, right?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jan 2014

It mystifies me that there are people who are sufficiently credulous and impervious to basic evidence that they can continue to believe in this, the silliest of "mystery phenomena."

arikara

(5,562 posts)
83. I hear you
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:23 PM
Jan 2014

and tune them out, in other words scroll quickly past the inanity.

I had the pleasure of seeing Freddie Silva talk about crop circles at a seminar once, his passion for the subject is contagious. If you ever have the opportunity to go... do.

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
86. you just might be a big silly
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jan 2014

You should not wonder. You should never wonder. Do not ever employ your imagination. You should be sensible. The worst possible thing is to be thought of as "woo woo." You may believe only in what you can see, feel, and touch. You can believe in radio, though, 'cuz we can listen to the radio.

Well, it could be worse. You could be gullible!! That's right--gullible. There is nothing worse than being a gullible person. That means you bought into something that somebody said that may or may not be true. Now that is downright disgraceful and ranks right up there as the number one sin. You are worse than Charlie Manson and Bernie Madoff combined if you are gullible.

Humans are quite capable of dashing off these crop circles in a matter of minutes. No overnight tromping around with boards and a yard stick necessary. You know--humans. The same ones responsible for Tepco, Nazi Germany, and the Republican party?


Cher

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
98. Weird
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 05:28 AM
Jan 2014

... that 6-fingered aliens use base 10, too.

Edit: How's that investigation into who really built the pyramids coming along?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
137. Yes, you nailed the stupidest point of the assertion
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jan 2014

Encoding in base 10 as a means of interstellar communication would be bone dead stupid.

Octafish is unaware that the only reason that "pi ten significant digits" equals "3.141592654" is because humans happen to have ten fingers.

Likewise, the only reason that there are "360 degrees" in the angular measure of a circle is because Babylonians rounded off the number of days in a year to 360, and which is conveniently factorable by several integers.

There is nothing natural about the decimal sequence "3141592654" or the circular angular measure of "360" other than by reference to a species having ten fingers and a rounding error based on the earth's orbit and spin, for the sake of convenience in factoring a number.

No fucking alien would do that. Our own computers don't even use base 10.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
250. Did the Amazing Randi tell you that, jberryhill?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jan 2014

Striking to see how his organizations is so well represented on DU.


JBerryhill

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=130840


William Seger

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69539


Bolo Boffin nee Boloboffin

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4624787&postcount=222


Who else you got in the Flock?

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
251. LOL!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jan 2014

Guess you couldn't refute him so instead you change the subject and make it personal.
Shocking!
Maybe you should ask one of your astronaut buddies about pi?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
253. What's really goofy
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jan 2014

Is that I was not even arguing with him, and he squats down to poop out a pointless ad hominem having nothing to do with the point.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
260. How many times did you meet Frank Zappa, zappaman?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jan 2014

Let's see. You've given two different answers. Why would that be?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
252. Only in your paranoid imagination
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jan 2014

Yes, I signed up and participated in some JREF discussions years ago. Big fucking deal. Are you a marionette of every website owner where you've ever posted a comment?

How about you address the substance of my post, instead of searching around the internet and posting little "dossiers" about people?

The use of decimal numbers is an artifact of evolution in this planet producing a creature with an enlarged brain and ten digits. Consequently, it is why humans use base 10 arithmetic.

If the aliens have figured out that much about us, in order to tell us a number we already know in a number system that is an artifact of being earth beings, then they are probably bright enough to realize that there are much more effective ways of communicating with humans than fucking around in grass.

But, OMG, I posted comments to some other forum years ago. Well, that does it!
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
256. As a point in fact, I have
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jan 2014

I did some legal work for an educational project run by an astronaut a few years back.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
257. Did you ask them where these "mysterious" crop circles came from?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:08 PM
Jan 2014

Since we don't have video of every crop circle being made, we can therefore conclude many are unexplained and could even be alien in origin.
Makes sense, don't it?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
258. Remarkably, it didn't occur to me to ask, no.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jan 2014

She passed away some months ago, and now I can see that it was to prevent me from asking about crop circles. The PTB really gets around.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
262. ''Paranoid Imagination.''
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jan 2014

That's the language the FBI disinformation artists used in COINTELPRO to undermine the anti-war and pro-civil rights groups they'd infiltrated.

What a coincidence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/us/burglars-who-took-on-fbi-abandon-shadows.html?_r=0

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
264. "That's the language the FBI disinformation artists used"
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:51 PM
Jan 2014

Yes. Otherwise known as "English".

Okay, so the FBI is hiding the truth about crop circles from you? That really sucks. I feel sorry for the aliens who can't figure out how to make themselves known without being foiled by the government.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
267. You misunderstood: Followers of Amazing Randi use similar techniques as the FBI.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

In COINTELPRO, agents of the FBI termed people with whom they disagreed politically as "paranoid," which served to discredit their targets' anti-war and pro-civil rights messages. Labeling is a propaganda technique the Amazing Randi also employs to discredit people with whom he disagrees.

As to who or what makes crop circles: some have been shown to be made by people, but not all.

Why my stating that bothers you so much is your business, not mine.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
269. Yeah, you know what else McCarthyites and disinfo peddlers do?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:30 PM
Jan 2014

They play the association game.

So, anyone who ever posted at JREF is a "follower of the Amazing Randi".

Do you care to say anything at all on the inherent inanity of alien intelligence using crop circles to encode a truncated version of an irrational number in base 10?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
272. Not my job.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jan 2014

I posted my opinion -- that crop circles are a fascinating subject.

Rationalizing to yourself how denigrating me for stating my thought is something for you to think about.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
275. Denigrating you?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

I made a comment to someone else that it would be absurd to conclude that a truncation of pi in decimal digits was a product of alien intelligence.

That has nothing to do with you or your character.

You showed up to post your little dossier and suggest I was in thrall to someone who runs a forum in which I posted several years ago.

Get a grip.

Response to Octafish (Reply #20)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
140. Why would aliens encode a decimal number?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:46 AM
Jan 2014

From this, are we to assume that they also have ten fingers?

Because that is the ONLY reason we use base 10.

So, they came across interstellar space to tell us something we've known for 2000 years?

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
230. Indeed, why would the Simpsons use base 10?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jan 2014

Just by coincidence (wooo...), I came across a Numberphile video on YouTube today talking about how pi shows up in some episodes of the Simpsons, and in one, the 40,000th digit is given as 1 base 10. They ask the question, why would people who have a total of 8 fingers use base 10 instead of octal? (It turns out that there is one character who has 10 fingers).







MADem

(135,425 posts)
142. Mocking people has nothing to do with "democratic" ideals. It has to do with making your case.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014

We know there are geeks that do this for sport with a piece of rope and a board. And there's always a little "road" running through the things that would enable someone doing this to get in and out without leaving superfluous marks.



It's incumbent on the person who is making the claim to find the evidence that suggests that these come from outer space or what-have-you, because that's a little far-fetched, that idea, particularly when dealing with landscaping that happens close to populated areas.

It's a big universe, surely, we're not alone, but any beings with the ability to visit this planet would probably take a look at us and say "Uggggh--they aren't ready to work and play well with others..."

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
248. Gee. I don't recall treating other DUers like I've been treated on this thread.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

Ever. All the personal attacks for expressing the thought that crop circles are a fascinating phenomena.

Certainly some, if not most, are man-made. Some, however, have no plausible explanation. For instance:





Eye witness to the formation of a crop circle opposite Stonehenge.

Posted October 15, 2009
By Colin Andrews

In July of 1996 one of the most complex and spectacular crop circle designs ever
seen appeared in a field opposite Stonehenge. The design became known as “The
Julia Set” because it resembled the mathematical fractal called by that name. The
formation was remarkable not only because of its complexity and beauty but also
due to several anomalies associated with its discovery.

It arrived in daylight on a sunny day opposite a busy tourist spot surrounded by high
traffic roads such as the A303. What is exceptional about this event is that it is the
first time the window of arrival can be narrowed down.

SNIP...

Lucy writes, “She mentioned that when people see maybe two cars or more pulled in
and looking down into the field, other cars stop and gradually the traffic builds up
and more and more cars draw in to have a look.” What the group saw is described:
“There was an apparition, an isolated mist over it (the formation) and as the circle
was getting bigger the mist was rising above the circle. As the mist rose it got bigger
and the corn circle got bigger. There was a mist was about 2-3 feet off the ground
and it was sort of spinning around and on the ground a circular shape was
appearing which seemed to get bigger and bigger as simultaneously the mist gets
bigger and bigger and swirled faster. It was gradual and you are standing there and
you are thinking what is going on and everyone is discussing it and more and more
traffic is building up and everything and you just think that all the time you don't
really realise what is happening and then you think then that's it and the thing is
getting bigger and you are thinking of the beginning and end. But you don't realise
what you are looking at. I didn’t understand what was happening.”

Lucy continues in her report to say that there was a clear space between the
ground and the mist as the crop circle formed and there was no wind or dust.

Lucy’s witness reports that the event took about 20 minutes to form although they
can’t be sure because they lost track of time. When they left the mist was still there
and they can’t be sure the formation wasn’t still expanding. It may have taken more
than 20 minutes to create.

CONTINUED...

http://www.colinandrews.net/JuliaSetStory.html



As for flat earth, why the need to smear me?

FWIW: I've met and spoken with several astronauts. How many have you met, NuclearDem?
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
249. I don't have explanations for every single crop circle ever made.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jan 2014

But given what's already known about the phenomenon, it's increasingly unlikely that any of them are caused by anything other than man or metereological event.

I don't know why the appeal to authority with the astronauts statement is relevant, but I will say I have not in fact met any, but just like with any other claim, anything they say has to be independently tested and checked with the scientific community before they can hold any validity.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
261. I brought up the astronauts because you brought up the flat earth.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jan 2014

Yours was an attempt to smear me. I responded by bringing up people I've met who would have told me were it so.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
265. SidDithers, DU's friend of what is and what should be.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jan 2014

Still monitoring what I post. What an interesting pastime.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
266. Monitoring?...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

Don't fucking flatter yourself.

I do, however, notice the complete hoseshit that is sometimes posted at DU, and often comment on said horseshit. That your posts catch my eye so frequently is surely no more than a coincidence.

Now, don't you have some JFK - crop circle - Fukushima - BFEE "research" to do? Surely they're somehow all connected.

The truth is out there!!

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
276. "Certainly some, if not most, are man-made. Some, however, have no plausible explanation"...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

Doesn't get much more wildly entertaining than that bit of incredible nonsense.



Sid

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
279. The thing is Sid...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014


...your obnoxious and profane responses to anything contrary to YOUR personal take on the world is as offensive to many of us as Octafish seems to be to you. But we don't jump in, yelling and screaming, every time you say something stupid. I am forever baffled how you manage to stay around here with your very tenuous support of democratic principles.

Points of view outside of the narrow confines of the corporate state is the life blood of the democratic left. All we hear from you is how you don't think this POV or that POV shouldn't be discussed. Who the hell are you to say...?????

Sad


.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
282. Thanks for your comments...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

No, I mean it. Seriously. I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me how you feel. You've opened my eyes and made me see the world in a whole new light. I realize now what I've been doing this whole time. You've done me a great service.

From now on, I'll be just like you and octafish.

Cheers,
Sid

Archae

(46,301 posts)
45. "Scientific Materialist" - those nasty people that insist on actual evidence...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jan 2014

As opposed to wild accusation, anecdotes and assorted UNevidenced woo.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
57. WARNING: You are having forbidden thoughts & using forbidden words
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jan 2014

Be careful z-man, or one of the Wanker Nazis around here will ALERT on you for VIOLATING TOS and you will be banished for using forbidden words to describe forbidden thoughts. Get a grip on reality, man. Save yourself. Conform.

Try thinking peaceful PERMITTED thoughts, and focusing on the splendors of of the celestial as depicted in this natural photo - nature in its glory, framed by the Power Tentacles of the Scientific Materialist Cabal (R).

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
56. You think a Japanese utility has something to do with flattened plants in Salinas?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jan 2014

I hesitate to ask, but I really want to hear the explanation for this one. Type slowly, I'm going to get a beer while I wait.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
61. I was wondering that myself.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jan 2014

I hoped that it would become clear with all the replies, but alas.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
63. I hope the OP is busy writing a script.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jan 2014

I would totally rent that movie from Redbox, if the cast was okay.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
100. The OP is a plain and simple news report from NBC News...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:30 AM
Jan 2014

...It makes no assertions about anything other than that the crop circle existed, and then was rapidly obliterated. Whatever evidence of whatever cause has been erased.

Most of the talk and insinuation on this thread about impossible aliens, improbable space forces, or whatever else has come from the provincial kneeJerk reactions of the Scientific Materialist Claque, eager to set up strawmen they can assault with their pre-formed opinions. They cling to their theory as unchallengeable fact: that the thousands upon thousands of crop circles that have been formed around the world, have been created (largely in secret) by fun-loving prankster beer drinkers with ropes and boards

One can only observe that in hewing to this stance the Scientific Materialist Claque is to science as the Teabaggers are to politics. Not a one of the rowdy SM MindMobsters writes to encourage a thorough exploration and evaluation of whatever forensic evidence may be available concerning the California crop circle that is factually cited in the OP. Nor is there any acknowledgement that actual research into the actual cause of the California crop circle might be worthwhile. Rather, as usual, the corroding clique of claquesters remains passionately invested in their pre-formed opinions, and then in projecting those fantasies onto others.

So - LeftyMom -- if you are looking for a good fantasy script, you need look no further than the woozy woebegone claque of scientific materialists skulking about in cybersphere with their pre-formed judgements, poised to pounce like a pack of rabid, teeth-slashing, bone-gnashing jackals on any poor soul who questions the Orthodox Received Perception of Reality.

Recalling how the scientific materialists of yesteryear persecuted Galileo for his heliocentric heresy, one today can only gnash teeth and rend garments upon realizing - alas -- that the same narrow spirit survives on into the 21st Century.

?w=490

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
141. Um, it wasn't "scientific materialists of yesteryear" who persecuted Galileo
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jan 2014

It was people who believed the Earth was created by an invisible giant.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
162. They were locked into their narrow perception of reality...so
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jan 2014

...in that sense they were indeed the Scientific Materialists of their day, fantasizing that they alone had cornered The Truth and scorning anyone who had the audacity to think otherwise. In a similar manner, the Latter Day Scientific Materialists of our era rest calcified in their absolute certainty that thousands upon thousands of anonymous beer -drinking Hoax Freaks are at large in the world creating thousands upon thousands of elaborate crop circles year after year after year -- and then scorning anyone who thinks there could possibly be some other explanation. Same thing. It's Flat-brained Scientific Materialism, whether wrapped in the robes of Religion or Barren Materialistic Arrogance (BMA).

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
166. So words mean whatever you want them to mean
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jan 2014

... and you don't understand the difference between science and anti-science. That's okay, I suppose, if you stick to discussing the subject amongst yourself.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
172. It's a deliberate attempt to discredit the claim that hu7mans created the circles.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jan 2014

Several other posters are using the same deception. It's transparent.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
241. So, when is the OP going to admit that they were wonky-woo about the original crop circle
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jan 2014

That there was no absolutely no point in (as the OP wrote):

a thorough exploration and evaluation of whatever forensic evidence may be available concerning the California crop circle that is factually cited in the OP. Nor is there any acknowledgement that actual research into the actual cause of the California crop circle might be worthwhile.


When is the OP going to admit that they were very gullible to imagine that the crop circle might have had non-human origins, or that it was even worth spending a minute "researching"?

When is the OP going to admit they got suckered?

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
244. No point in doing actual research?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jan 2014

Scientific Materialists can of course, and likely will cling to their beliefs, even though such beliefs can only lead to massive disillusion. As for me -- Mr. OP -- I'm interested in truth, not beliefs. It was definitely worthwhile to research this fake crop circle to learn that it had been created by a profit-driven Scientific Materialist corporation out to intentionally deceive the public. I take this deliberate deception as problematic and unethical, and well worth doing research to find out about.

Those who want to remain ignorant have the right, of course, to remain so -- that is as we know a core Republicon value, as exemplified in their own perverse belief in a veritable grab bag of Scientific Materialist Delusions.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
245. No point in this case or any crop circle case.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014
Scientific Materialists


Your repeated usage of that term is trying to make it into a pejorative. We see the deception you are trying to pull over us. However, you better be careful about the over-use of that term because the other side of that coin is Irrational Spiritualists.


can of course, and likely will cling to their beliefs,

You are mistaken to think that science oriented people are more prone to "belief" over experience. We don't "believe" in gravity, we experience gravity. The explanation of the effects of gravity is known as the Theory of Gravitation, but it is as solid as the ground that will hit you if you step out a ten-story window believing in mind over matter. It is spiritualistic people who are more prone to beliefs and less amenable to actual evidence.


even though such beliefs can only lead to massive disillusion. As for me -- Mr. OP -- I'm interested in truth, not beliefs.

We haven't seen evidence of that. What we have seen is you falling all over your beliefs and jumping to conclusions about the crop circle in question.


It was definitely worthwhile to research

There was no research and there was none needed. It was quickly revealed to be a marketing gimmick.


this fake crop circle

It was not a "fake", per se. Like all other crop circles it was simply manufactured, a human artifact.


to learn that it had been created by a profit-driven Scientific Materialist corporation out to intentionally deceive the public. I take this deliberate deception as problematic and unethical, and well worth doing research to find out about.

The only way you can logically take that position is to be against all marketing. For example the book cover you use (as if it proves anything): it is not marketing a book about fish hooks.

Psychology is a science. Psychology has application to advertising and marketing. I'm sorry if this upsets you but those two facts do not discredit science or Science in any way.


Those who want to remain ignorant have the right, of course, to remain so -- that is as we know a core Republicon value,

Your attempted smear of DU posters is not pretty.


as exemplified in their own perverse belief in a veritable grab bag of Scientific Materialist Delusions.

Actually, it is the Republicans who do the most to deny science. It may have escaped your notice, but in any case let me at least remind you that Republicans are more likely to be
* Climate Change Deniers
* Young Earth Creationists
* Abortion statistic abusers
* Drug war fanatics confusing cannabis with narcotics
* Law & Order deniers of demographic trends
* Upholders of scientificly discredited Austerity Economics
* Anti-Vaccination and public health
* Deniers of the impact of loss of habitat
* Ignorant of ecology

Any list you are likely to generate under the bogus label of "scientific materialist delusions" is sure to be rife with things that are not delusions, things that have to be stretched beyond ridiculousness to be considered delusions, and things that are just plain wrong. At the same time, there are huge lists of actual delusions that spiritualists and anti-materialists are staunch believers in.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
246. Spreading falsehoods just casts Scientific Materialists in an uglier light
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jan 2014

Scientific Materialists, as opposed to scientists, are altogether worthy of pejoratives.

When you write: "What we have seen is you falling all over your beliefs and jumping to conclusions about the crop circle in question" is absolutely, factually false. I have no beliefs whatsoever about the crop circles or their cause, and none of my posts in this thread asserts any hypothesis, theory or conclusion. I have questions, and now those questions have been answered. The fake crop circle was an act of deliberate deception by a Scientific Materialist corporation for the sole purpose of boosting sales and profits.

I've no time to quibble with people attached not to science, but to Scientific Materialism, and who spread false information.

Thus, buh-bye, you are disappeared from my online universe.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
247. You wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jan 2014

You wrote in the OP:

For whatever reason, when I look at this crop circle the thought "Tepco" invades my brainpan. Cue the Scientific Materialist claque...10...9...8...

That is jumping to conclusions.

Further, you were the first to jump to invoke Nazis in this thread (post #57)

It is very telling about your supposed search for the "truth" when you proclaim putting a poster on ignore who is calling you out on specific points in your post, but you do not do the same for the poster who wrote " Dude, take your meds. Seriously."

However, I don't care. I can read your posts and of mine you can by choice be ignorant.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
242. You know historically it's been woo pushers that have conspired against science
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jan 2014

Not the other way around?

Geocentrism and heliocentrism, Big Oil and climate change, creationism and evolution.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
120. Nah. I never said that. No need to set up a straw man
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jan 2014

I said when I looked upon the form I thought of Tepco. I did not say --as you imagine and project -- that Tepco had anything to do with it.

Please try to get a grip on your rampant preconceptions and try dealing with reality. I'm rooting for you.

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
65. Have you seen the amazing beach sand artist of New Zealand? He's not anonymous....
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jan 2014

His name is Peter Donnelly -- his art is as ephemeral as the crop "circle" artists -- and no aliens are involved.



solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
181. That is incredible. Stunning and beautiful. Thanks for posting!
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jan 2014

I didn't know there were snow circles.

2 guys with a board and string did that too? These blokes are Geniuses.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
79. Um... the Scientific Materialist claque is Responsible for this
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jan 2014

The people who made that didn't just mumble some prayers and wing it. They used geometry and principles of surveying and such.

Maybe even some GPS... granted, a technology we got from the Roswell saucer, but still science.

mathematic

(1,434 posts)
97. You scientific materialists are so predictable
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:41 AM
Jan 2014

I bet you'd have us believe that aliens made these with tools or something when everybody that isn't a close-minded philosophical illiterate knows that aliens are merely the vessel by which the supernatural world interacts with the natural world.

How else would nonphysical events like consciousness interact with the physical world? As if wooden boards spring from the ether without the aid of aliens! Sorry, peddle that nonsense elsewhere Einstein.

I'm sick and tired of crops circles being narrowly interpreted by scientific materialists. They're so eager to shoehorn all the world's mysteries into the little box of physical reality they're blind to the universality of thought. Come on, be honest, does "corn fields flattened into geometric shapes with mathematical precision" sound like it has anything to do with the physical world at all?

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
102. They're obviously pissed about that
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:36 AM
Jan 2014


I've also noticed that they've started working with grass. It's mostly in major league baseball parks, but I expect it to expand to lawns soon.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
124. They can do one in my yard and then ...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jan 2014

I would have an excuse to not mow. I would be all, "Hey, I am not mowing over ART, you Philistines!!"

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
105. Shame on NBC for calling crop circles "mysterious".
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jan 2014

A simple Google search would have solved the mystery for them.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
106. When in doubt...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jan 2014


...laugh nervously and mock those who say they "get it".

Nothing like a mystery to bring out the usual crowd of high school science geniuses who want to enlighten us...

Sad.



.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
108. What's the mystery?...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jan 2014

Tell us what's so mysterious about a crop circle, oh wise one who gets it.

Sid

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
112. The mystery...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jan 2014


...is clearly "Who stomped on this farmers field?" You say you have the answer-lets have a look at the "who".


Sad.


.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
123. So the mystery of crop circles is
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jan 2014

simply the names of the people making them? I don't think that's what NBC was alluding to,they're playing to ignorant superstition by pretending there is still no logical explanation for crop circles. Again,shame on them.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
235. Mystery solved!!
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jan 2014

Crop circle: No, it wasn't aliens, it was marketers

(CNN) -- Sorry, dear readers, but the crop circle discovered last week etched in a farmer's barley field in Chualar, California, was not created by aliens.

Instead -- surprise! -- it was a stunt intended to attract publicity to the release of a mobile processor used in automobiles, tablets and cell phones made by the computer graphics company NVIDIA, according to its president and CEO, Jen-Hsun Huang.

more …

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/tech/california-crop-circle-hoax/

Sid

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
135. It's like finding graffiti mysterious.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jan 2014

The use of colors! The geometric letters! WHO COULD HAVE DONE THIS?

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
126. Wow, what higher intelligence could have left such a message?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jan 2014

I mean it's amazing if you think about it.

Some extra terrestrial beings, who have managed to more fully understand the laws of physics and break the speed of light to travel like a 11 thousand million light years, through the vast emptiness of interstellar space, to leave us an incredibly obscure yet fleeting message, resembling an Intel 486DX2 chip in a field of barley, that could be easily erased by fire, severe wind or a farmer, containing a braille message repeating the cryptic message "#192" over and over, yet for some reason, with all of their technology, they could not figure out how to send us a tweet, or e-mail, or even something in one of the vast languages this planet speaks in and etch it into a rock or something.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
132. They do it for the same reason Jesus
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jan 2014

only makes his presence known to us on toast and Doritos,for the laughs.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
136. Or maybe, they are so smart, their efforts to communicate to us seem dumb.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jan 2014

They may be so far advanced, they went all the way around and look stupid. But they aren't.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
209. NononononononononoNO. Not QUITE entirely right.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jan 2014

Jesus can only appear on bread products because of FAITH. If he appeared in unambiguously human and believably Jesoid form (accompanied, presumably, by supernatural wine and sea-food production) we'd all have to believe in him straight away, which would obviate the need for FAITH, so he can only ever appear on weird doofus things otherwise he will inadvertently delegitimise TEH FREEDOMS OF TEH WILLZ.

Seriously, Paradise has an entire division dedicated to dreaming up new physical manifestations of Divinity with credibility carefully subtracted to strike just the right balance between "spookily Jesusoid!" and "LAAAME."

edhopper

(33,485 posts)
223. Movie reference
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jan 2014

and my favorite quote for threads like this.

Here's a hint. da - da - da - DA -DUN.

edhopper

(33,485 posts)
165. No they are all real
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jan 2014

it's just that they are all done by people.

And I like how without one shred of evidence that they were done by anything but people, and with all the ones that show people have done them.
Some cling to the notion , absent any reason, that somehow, some of them might have other causes. Funny that.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
170. That's like saying all cave drawings are a hoax because someone last year made
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jan 2014

a cave drawing that looks identical to the ones from 10,000 years ago, so they must all have been made by that guy. LOL

"crop circles" were actually around before the complex designs we now know as crop circles. Orignally they were just burned land and grass in the shape of a circle that immediately followed a documented UFO sighting. They were a byproduct of the UFO sighting, rather than today where some people see a crop design and think it may have been made by a UFO.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
173. Huh?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jan 2014

Cave drawings can be dated, in several different ways. Those results are evidence for the ages of the cave drawings. That's how science works.

There is no evidence whatsoever that these pretty landscape patterns have a non-human origin.

Iggo

(47,535 posts)
179. No one's saying cave drawings were made by space aliens.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jan 2014

(At least I hope they're not saying that...)

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
176. That is as it should be. The burden of proof falls on the extraordinary.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jan 2014

You go outside and find your parked car was dented during the night.

Was it dented by another car or a dinosaur?

It can easily be shown that cars often bump into other cars. Endless video of this phenomenon happening.

There is not entirely reliable case of a dinosaur bumping a car.

Why would the demonstration that car-bumping is common not lead to discounting the dinosaur theory?

There is nothing to SUPPORT the dinosaur theory to begin with. Its only support is that we don't know the full story of every car dent.

And that is NOT support for whatever crazy thing someone speculates. It merely fails to absolutely disprove such craziness.

But almost nothing in this world is absolutely disproved. I could be an unusually educated elephant typing with my trunk.

I could. You cannot PROVE that I am not. You can, however, determine to a very high level of probability (99.9999999999999999999% stuff) that I am not an elephant.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
226. So your argument...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jan 2014

is that a species of aliens has advanced to a massive level of technology, such that they can travel faster than light. They have managed to find our particular little rock in an utterly vast and empty cosmos - comparable to finding one particular grain of sand on a beach.

And when they get here, they decide to....flatten some plants.

You might want to take a moment to really think about what you are proposing.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
229. Show me one that couldn't have been made by humans...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jan 2014

...or even one containing information no human could have had, and I will consider what other intelligence might have been involved.

Until then, it's much simpler and more practical to presume these things the work of human artists/hoaxers. It isn't as much fun, maybe, but is there a need for other theories?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
177. Never underestimate the creativity and perseverance of
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jan 2014

a group of pranksters. They are legion. They never forget.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
178. curious which crop the artist vandalized to make this...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jan 2014

and how much of a loss the farmer incurred in getting rid of it. Is the rest of the field salvageable? Or do mechanical harvesting methods mean there is no way to exclude the damaged part from the still healthy plants?

senseandsensibility

(16,933 posts)
183. I live fairly close to the farm in question
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jan 2014

and I am curious as well. Salinas grows much of the country's lettuce. It's sometimes known as the salad bowl.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
189. In a circle-making site linked elsewhere in this thread...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jan 2014

The makers say that the flattened crops can still be harvested as long as they haven't been walked around on too much.

And in some other cases, they are created with permission of the land owner.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
231. That's not the USC Trojan Marching Band.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jan 2014

That's the aliens leaving us a message that the solution to overpopulation is to use condoms.

Crabby Appleton

(5,231 posts)
232. Nvidia Promotes New Chip With Crop Circle
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jan 2014

A 310-foot "crop circle" in a California barley field that mystified locals this week was explained Sunday: it was a publicity stunt by Nvidia Corp., a maker of chips for PCs and smartphones.

The crop circle near Chualar, Calif., contained a stylized image of a computer chip and the number "192" in Braille. On Sunday, the company announced the Tegra K1, a new chip for tablets and smartphones that contains 192 computing "cores," or mini-computers, for graphics applications.

Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said at a press conference in Las Vegas, ahead of the International Consumer Electronics Show, that he had given his marketing department the mission to promote the chip on a shoe-string budget. The crop circle received wide attention. Rumors of Santa Clara, Calif.-based Nvidia's involvement appeared Sunday before the press conference.

The circle was plowed under a few days after its discovery.

...

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/nvidia-promotes-chip-crop-circle-21430286

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
237. Obviously, Nvidia is getting their technology from aliens
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jan 2014

and held this press conference to cover it up and protect the aliens.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
234. Crop circle: No, it wasn't aliens, it was marketers
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jan 2014


(CNN) -- Sorry, dear readers, but the crop circle discovered last week etched in a farmer's barley field in Chualar, California, was not created by aliens.

Instead -- surprise! -- it was a stunt intended to attract publicity to the release of a mobile processor used in automobiles, tablets and cell phones made by the computer graphics company NVIDIA, according to its president and CEO, Jen-Hsun Huang.

more …

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/tech/california-crop-circle-hoax/



Sid

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
238. lol! Yup.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jan 2014
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/unexplained-phenomena/crop-circle5.htm

About a year ago or so I saw a program on Nat Geo or the Discovery channel that showed a couple of different groups of guys planning and executing a crop circle.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
259. So to get a million smart ass replies, all I have to do is type 'Scientific Materialist claque'?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jan 2014

When did this start? Whoever did not get me the memo in time...your fired!

Obviously aliens did not make crop circles or have a hand in anything we do...why would they want to help a bunch of backwater bipeds that like to snark at each other over trivial matters? If they want that, all they have to do is watch the Zeeblers fight over hyper sleep (good for bad for you in the 6th dimension) in their Intergalactic Zoo. Which is of course human free and on board the Mothership.

Personally, i would rather colonize Venus nekked than get snarked to death by the Scientific Materialist claque...which makes me ask; are you guys getting paid in quatloos or hyper credits?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
273. Condescension makes a certain class of mind feel superior.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jan 2014

Previous to their joining DU, I didn't think I'd see it among DUers, Democrats, democrats and those who respect others' ideas and beliefs.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
277. I knew from the first days in 2001, a very special type of DUer
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jan 2014

is here and there purpose in life is to tell you who to vote for, what to think, feel, what to drink, which 'science' to believe, which artwork is good and which is trash, what to eat, what to read and watch on TV and if you even vary 1% from the absolute you are found to be lacking of their standard and open for scorn and ridicule.

Unlike you however, I tend to ignore them, what is the point really? They love it when you say you are frustrated and hate wasting your time in replies...just stop doing it!!!

Stop feeding the snark sharks. Ignore is really, really easy...hell I don't even use the List anymore. I just ignore them!

I've never put people supposedly in my party up on a pedestal and always knew some of them were just a slight shade away from posting on FR.

The more you give them attention, the more they love it and will badger you even more for negative stimulus.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
283. Wow. Just wow. This thread is just a study in how fucking mean DU has become.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jan 2014

Is it necessary to be so cruel?

Life is short. Have a wonderful night DU.

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