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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:55 AM Jan 2014

Have you ever made it through a George Will column?

The thing I dislike most about George Will is that he seems to come across as a reasonable, rationale "adult" member of the Crazy Party, but is actually peddling the same craziness as those wearing clown suits. I really would like to see the little twerp attacked by his own bowtie, but I admit to occasionally trying to read his coulumn.

However, for some reason, I just can't make it through, regardless of the content. I either doze off, or get fed up with his pedantic style and move on.

Is it just me? How about you. Ever make it through one of his columns?

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Have you ever made it through a George Will column? (Original Post) Cyrano Jan 2014 OP
He's very pedantic - i don't agree that he's 100% a tea-partier el_bryanto Jan 2014 #1
I barely stayed awake during his commencement address at my graduation SharonAnn Jan 2014 #17
He has the interesting edhopper Jan 2014 #2
Not for a long time. tabasco Jan 2014 #3
He got my attention years ago with one of his baseball columns. I've made it through a couple of brewens Jan 2014 #4
+1....I've always enjoyed his annual baseball trivia column.... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #12
Agree, he should stick to baseball Freddie Jan 2014 #30
He just dresses up what everyone has been writing that week underpants Jan 2014 #13
Yes, Ive tried reading Kathleen Parker a few times Cyrano Jan 2014 #16
Parker - Maureen Dowd w/o the occasional amusing snark hatrack Jan 2014 #18
Parker can be tedious, but among aging, GOP, pearl-clutchers, Peggy Noonan is ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #20
Noonan was a speech writer for Saint Reagan Cyrano Jan 2014 #21
*Snarf* closeupready Jan 2014 #23
It's rare I make it though something of his, once his accual "idea" is revealed Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #5
Never!!! AlinPA Jan 2014 #6
Nope Mira Jan 2014 #7
He's not bad when he writes baseball. Laffy Kat Jan 2014 #8
Never even tried to read his columns fadedrose Jan 2014 #9
I've never been able to muster the will. Orrex Jan 2014 #10
Will is a master of pseudo intellectualism and the use of meaningless statistics. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #11
I don't read Will's column because I know the conclusion from the outset. bluestate10 Jan 2014 #14
And a suit and glasses to boot. Boomerproud Jan 2014 #36
I don't know as I've ever tried madokie Jan 2014 #15
Back when he denied that he had a "quote boy" assisting him spew crap, I made it through 1 article. Major Hogwash Jan 2014 #19
His book on baseball isn't bad Retrograde Jan 2014 #22
But he gets pompous and all knowing about baseball as well..... yellowcanine Jan 2014 #25
Well, yeah, he has a point there Retrograde Jan 2014 #28
Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. The DH is an abomination of a rule, and has done more to ruin madinmaryland Jan 2014 #31
Wrong about what? Did not comment on merits of the DH, just on how Will talks about it. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #38
I recall reading one about his opposition to gay marriage - closeupready Jan 2014 #24
Second wife that is - his first one threw his crap out on the lawn after yellowcanine Jan 2014 #26
Someone married him? Boomerproud Jan 2014 #35
Apparently so, there are several little Willies running around from both wives. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #41
Asshole used Jimmy Carter's stolen briefing book to prep Reagan for debate. MADem Jan 2014 #27
He's so damn pompous. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #29
I have never been impressed by George Will Gothmog Jan 2014 #32
I simply stopped reading him when it became clear to me that he's a liar struggle4progress Jan 2014 #33
Fuck NO libodem Jan 2014 #34
Krugman vs Will rickford66 Jan 2014 #37
I have read a few of his columns when he talked about senate and house races. Other than that no. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #39
Easy money, if one were so inclined. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #40
He's the leftmost columnist in my local daily. Ron Green Jan 2014 #42
Maybe 10 years ago, before he lost his damned mind. Barack_America Jan 2014 #43

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. He's very pedantic - i don't agree that he's 100% a tea-partier
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jan 2014

He shares most of their views on what should be done, of course, but like much of the old-school republican guard is a little bit perturbed at their nihilism and willingness to sacrifice anything to get what they want.

But he is very pedantic- i have read a few of his columns all the way through though.

Bryant

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
17. I barely stayed awake during his commencement address at my graduation
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jan 2014

Xavier University had him as the 1993 graduation commencement speaker. If he hadn't said a few outrageous things at the beginning of his speech, I would've fallen asleep. But I stayed awake to hear what else he said.

That was the first I had heard of him so I've followed him (casually) since then. He's still a jerk and misinformed on just about everything.

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
2. He has the interesting
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jan 2014

history about being wrong on everything. Not just politically, but usually factually as well.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
3. Not for a long time.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jan 2014

He is no more intellectually honest than Josef Goebbels.

Kind of looks like him too.

brewens

(13,573 posts)
4. He got my attention years ago with one of his baseball columns. I've made it through a couple of
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:05 AM
Jan 2014

those. It always seems like he tries to hard to dazzle us with his vocabulary.

I saw an interview with him once where he told what really got him started on his career. He saw the movie "Billy Jack" and was "incensed" at what that portrayed. Can you even imagine? Who would be on the side of the yokel rednecks and what they were doing?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
12. +1....I've always enjoyed his annual baseball trivia column....
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jan 2014

I think the sports world was denied one of the potentially all-time great baseball writers when Will decided to be a RW stooge instead....

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
30. Agree, he should stick to baseball
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jan 2014

Should be a switch--Will only talks about baseball & KO only talks about politics!

underpants

(182,769 posts)
13. He just dresses up what everyone has been writing that week
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jan 2014

With a few fancy (to him) words and pretends that it is something new that he created.

Try reading a Kathleen Parker column- she never gets to actually having a point about anything. She must have real dirt on someone to get paid of her dribble.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
16. Yes, Ive tried reading Kathleen Parker a few times
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jan 2014

And you're right about her never getting to the point about anything.

The only thing I've ever gotten from her scribblings is a very vague aura of "GOP good/Obama bad."

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
20. Parker can be tedious, but among aging, GOP, pearl-clutchers, Peggy Noonan is ...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:10 PM
Jan 2014

hands-down,, the champion. That woman could put 2,000 civilians to sleep even as they were running from a napalm attack.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
21. Noonan was a speech writer for Saint Reagan
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Perhaps that's why he was often caught dozing off on camera.

Edited to spell speech correctly. My embarrassment runneth over. I'm going to my room to suck my thumb for a while.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
5. It's rare I make it though something of his, once his accual "idea" is revealed
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:05 AM
Jan 2014

Then I simply think, that's someones whose mother did alot of meth when pregnant with him.

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
8. He's not bad when he writes baseball.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jan 2014

He wrote a book about baseball which I've actually considered checking out from the library, but prob. will never get around to it. Can't remember the title.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
9. Never even tried to read his columns
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jan 2014

I have trouble sitting thru a TV interview with him.. About as long as it takes to find my remote is all I can take...at least O'Reilly has a personality that I enjoy disliking and tell him he's a creep, and then change the channel.

Wills is hopeless to attack because he comes off so wimpy I feel he needs a transfusion or something...

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
11. Will is a master of pseudo intellectualism and the use of meaningless statistics.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jan 2014

Such as comparing the amount of money spent on political campaigns (which he thinks should have no limits) and how much money Americans spend on snack foods or some other equally meaningless comparative expenditure. And looking up the meaning of big words just so he can use them in the proper context and sound like an intellectual. Then he promptly skewers his thin credibility by sounding downright stupid on the issue of human induced global warming (he is a skeptic).

His only decent columns are the ones about baseball - but even there he cannot help himself by being a know it all about whether the designated hitter rule is a good thing or not, which Will has in the past compared to the Dred Scot decision and the decline of Western Civilization, although in one column Will kind of reverses that and at the same time pokes a little fun at himself, which must be a first. http://articles.philly.com/1986-10-23/news/26057948_1_designated-hitter-rule-dh-umpire

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
14. I don't read Will's column because I know the conclusion from the outset.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jan 2014

What do you expect from a guy that has a haircut from the 1930s?

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
19. Back when he denied that he had a "quote boy" assisting him spew crap, I made it through 1 article.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jan 2014

I gave myself a gold star on the calendar that day, and counted my blessings.
I never tempted gawd again, and never tried to read anything Clueless George ever wrote again.

He's almost as bad as Krautheimer, but he's even more boring.
Seriously.

I used to line the bottom of my parakeet's cage with the op-ed page of the local newspaper that his articles were printed on.
I caught my parakeet looking down at the article one day.
I guess he was trying to see what was at the bottom of his cage, comics or whatnot.
The freaking parakeet fell off of his perch totally asleep while trying to make it through one of George's columns!!!

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
22. His book on baseball isn't bad
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jan 2014

"The Boys of Summer", I think it's called. When he writes about a subject he's passionate about (and I'm mildly interested in) and leaves out most of the politics he's ok. I can't read his columns, though, without wanting to wad the paper up into a ball and throw it at the wall (see, there's a reason for sticking with print after all!)

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
25. But he gets pompous and all knowing about baseball as well.....
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

The DH rule for example. He basically blames everything from the downfall of Western civilization to the failure of our educational system on the DH rule.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
28. Well, yeah, he has a point there
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jan 2014

Ten people on a side isn't baseball But OTOH I'm an Oakland A's fan.

I usually put the DH rule in the same category as the question of beans in chili: I just won't get into religious arguments.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
31. Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. The DH is an abomination of a rule, and has done more to ruin
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jan 2014

the game of baseball than even Bud $elig has done.


yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
38. Wrong about what? Did not comment on merits of the DH, just on how Will talks about it.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:16 AM
Jan 2014

Am I wrong about Will being pompous about the DH and blaming all sorts of ills on it? My point was that even with baseball, Will cannot resist overstating his case. The DH may be bad for baseball, but it is neither a reflection of nor a cause of cultural ills.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. I recall reading one about his opposition to gay marriage -
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jan 2014

He referred to his wife as his best friend, which spoke volumes to me about what is likely a man who is unable to form REAL friendships with other men.

It's not that this is so unusual in modern America; rather, that he failed to catch what he was doing, or else he didn't care (and if not, then that would underscore the larger point).

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
26. Second wife that is - his first one threw his crap out on the lawn after
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:11 PM
Jan 2014

he took up with a younger, more trophy worthy version.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Asshole used Jimmy Carter's stolen briefing book to prep Reagan for debate.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jan 2014

He is lower than pond scum.

He denies it, but he did it. JEC is quite certain of it, and I trust his judgment.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
29. He's so damn pompous.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jan 2014

And he's been getting steadily worse for years. He uses his pomposity and academic language to disguise his wingnuttery, but if you can make it through one of his tedious columns you can see the English-professor mask start to slip and glimpse the clown face underneath.

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
37. Krugman vs Will
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jan 2014

I apologize if someone already posted this link.

Five Hamilton College seniors led by public policy professor P. Gary Wyckoff
analyzed the predictions of 26 prognosticators between September 2007 and December 2008.


http://www.hamilton.edu/documents/An-Analysis-of-the-Accuracy-of-Forecasts-in-the-Political-Media.pdf

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
40. Easy money, if one were so inclined.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:19 AM
Jan 2014

If you can find a sucker to take the opposing bet, always be willing to put money on GW being wrong. And the few times I've seen him on TV he always comes off as whining. I find it rather grating.

Julie

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
42. He's the leftmost columnist in my local daily.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:38 AM
Jan 2014

The corporate-lackey editors think he's statesmanlike, I'm sure.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
43. Maybe 10 years ago, before he lost his damned mind.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:41 AM
Jan 2014

I actually used to enjoy him on This Week, I rarely agreed with him, but I used to value his opinion.

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