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CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:46 PM Jan 2014

Welcome back to the Friday Afternoon Challenge! Today: “Say Cheese!”

Smiles are hard for painters to catch on canvas. Here are some famous ones that were captured by renowned artists. Who painted what?

AND: cheating and then “guessing” is unwelcome here and unfair to other DUers. Don’t do it.

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Welcome back to the Friday Afternoon Challenge! Today: “Say Cheese!” (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2014 OP
I never know any of these, but I love seeing them. broiles Jan 2014 #1
no to both... CTyankee Jan 2014 #5
#1 Helga von Fram by that Dutch guy jberryhill Jan 2014 #2
Interesting! elleng Jan 2014 #4
LOL treestar Jan 2014 #17
Formaggio!!! elleng Jan 2014 #3
looks like Hals but... CTyankee Jan 2014 #6
Oh well, elleng Jan 2014 #8
It's kinda nice, tho...there's a warmth there... CTyankee Jan 2014 #9
Gesundheit jberryhill Jan 2014 #7
Danke elleng Jan 2014 #10
#6, elleng Jan 2014 #11
It isn't... CTyankee Jan 2014 #12
Scoring 'nil' today, yank!!! elleng Jan 2014 #18
#1 looks like Rembrandt Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #13
hey, you... CTyankee Jan 2014 #14
yay! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #15
The palette is so much Rembrandt. The darkness, for one thing.... CTyankee Jan 2014 #23
#6: Velazquez’s Los Borrachos (The Feast of Bacchus) (c.1628-9) pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #16
Oh, that Bacchus guy!!! elleng Jan 2014 #19
Hey, elleng! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #20
Yes they are, elleng Jan 2014 #21
wonderful, isn't it? and such a modern feel to the guy on the left! CTyankee Jan 2014 #25
I love these guys! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #28
It's great. I love it! CTyankee Jan 2014 #29
#3 is a Piero della Francesca...Discovery & Proof of the Vera Cruz... countryjake Jan 2014 #22
Hey, countryjake, how do you know this painting? CTyankee Jan 2014 #24
Check out the page that I first visited... countryjake Jan 2014 #26
Art history is fun! I can't wait for my trip to Piero's home area... CTyankee Jan 2014 #27
When you see his house in the Borga San Sepolcro, look for... countryjake Jan 2014 #30
sounds like you were there, jake! CTyankee Jan 2014 #31
Nope, just been reading about Piero della Francesca for 3 hrs... countryjake Jan 2014 #32
Rut-roh... pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #33
Well, my man is screaming for his supper... countryjake Jan 2014 #34
Thanks. I'm blessed with an art rich city due to Yale and being so close to NYC. CTyankee Jan 2014 #49
I won't have to goto Urbino to see his Senigallia Madonna...it came to me! CTyankee Jan 2014 #47
There have been a spate of books on Piero over the past 20 years or so...he's "coming back" so CTyankee Jan 2014 #45
I finally found a place to view the innards of San Francesco... countryjake Jan 2014 #52
I will be in that church in March! I can't wait. CTyankee Jan 2014 #53
#5: Annibale Carracci - Two Boys Laughing (circa 1580-82) pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #35
You are the best, Pinboy! CTyankee Jan 2014 #36
Is #4 one of Antonello da Messina's "Portrait of a Man" paintings? countryjake Jan 2014 #37
Good eye! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #38
I saw one of his many "Portrait of a Young Man" back in the early seventies... countryjake Jan 2014 #39
Thanks for the memory of elleng Jan 2014 #40
Holbein was who I thought, too! First guy I googled, ha! countryjake Jan 2014 #41
Don't have an idea about #2 at all. elleng Jan 2014 #42
Hals has a very distinctive brush stroke, much more pronounced than Rembrandt's subtle CTyankee Jan 2014 #50
Yes, it is Antonello. I deliberately did NOT choose the one that has the smirk...it's pretty well CTyankee Jan 2014 #46
#2: Giovanni Francesco Caroto - Portrait of a Child with a Drawing pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #43
ANSWERS pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #44
Thanks, Pinboy! I overslept and am just now having my second cup of coffee... CTyankee Jan 2014 #48
Thanks for the Challenge! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #51
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. #1 Helga von Fram by that Dutch guy
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jan 2014

She is the matron of the von Fram family, ancestors of the Framm air filter fortune.

Surprisingly, the von Fram's invented air filters for internal combustion engines nearly two centuries before the engines themselves were invented.

Not having anything to do with the air filters, they wore them around their necks as ornaments.



pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
16. #6: Velazquez’s Los Borrachos (The Feast of Bacchus) (c.1628-9)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jan 2014
Velazquez painted this picture for the king of Spain who must have received some explanation from the artist. The rest of us have been left to guess what it means, mostly without success. The more one looks, the more questions it raises. Let's study it a bit.

Why is a classical god, Bacchus, partying with a group of contemporary Spanish peasants? Why is he crowning the kneeling soldier while glancing out the picture to the left? What has he seen? Why do the two men next to him smile as though mugging for a camera? How can Bacchus hold the wine so still that there is no ripple on its surface? Scholars have argued these points for more than a century but without the crucial fact Steven Orso revealed in 1993 they could make no headway.

Orso's discovery that seventeenth-century Spaniards believed that Bacchus had visited Spain and had become its first ruler explains why Philip IV was so interested in the subject. It also explains, even more significantly, how Velazquez would have identified with the central figure both as god of wine (alcohol stimulates the imagination) and Spain's first monarch who was both royal and divine. The divine Spanish king, the original king, however simple he may appear in the image, was the perfect symbol for Velazquez's own purified soul as Spain's greatest master, the rank the still-young artist clearly aspired to.

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http://www.everypainterpaintshimself.com/article/velazquezs_bacchus_c.1628-9

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
28. I love these guys!
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jan 2014

IMO, it would have been a better painting without Bacchus. But I guess it's good to be the King!

I knew I'd seen this before, but I didn't have a clue about the artist or title. So I just started searching--and almost missed it when an image of the whole work came up because I was looking for the detail.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
22. #3 is a Piero della Francesca...Discovery & Proof of the Vera Cruz...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jan 2014


of the cycle of stories of the Holy Cross.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francesco,_Arezzo#The_frescoes_of_Legend_of_the_True_Cross

I found this one by googling classical painting "man with wooden beam" which gave me one of Piero della Francesca's other works, "Hercules". That aha moment, recognizing his style, took me quickly to the answer.

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
24. Hey, countryjake, how do you know this painting?
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jan 2014

Did you study art history?

Sorry, I see that you did research this...interesting...I just love what you did to find it!

I will be in eastern Tuscany in March on the Piero della Francesca Trail and will see this! We'll be based in Anghiari and going to Monterchi, San Sepulcro and Arezzo to see his works. I am so excited!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
26. Check out the page that I first visited...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jan 2014
http://connect.gardnermuseum.org/site/PageServer?pagename=newsletter_collection_2009_09

I really like the way he depicted Hercules and it tickles me that my "wooden beam" google took me to it.



It was hard for me to find anything in English that actually reviewed the True Cross painting and I still haven't managed to find a page that shows all of Piero's frescos located at that Basilica of San Francesco.



CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
27. Art history is fun! I can't wait for my trip to Piero's home area...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jan 2014

I did see his Flagellation of Christ at the National Gallery in London last May. What a museum! Geez, that nearly killed my arthritic back! I don't think the little borgi in eastern Tuscany are gonna be much better...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
30. When you see his house in the Borga San Sepolcro, look for...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:10 PM
Jan 2014

the corner where Hercules used to be. After reading more about that painting, I don't think that the Italians want to claim it, even tho they are now proudly celebrating Piero della Francesca and his extremely small body of work. I read at a couple of places that it may be considered his "self portrait", the wooden beam his paint brush.



http://www.casasantapia.com/art/pierodellafrancesca/hercules.htm



You are so lucky to get to go on such a fantastic trip, take it easy, but have a blast!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
32. Nope, just been reading about Piero della Francesca for 3 hrs...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:27 PM
Jan 2014

and enjoying looking at his frescos, thanks to your Friday Challenge.

You asked me earlier if I've studied Art history (we must have been simultaneously typing) and if I'd seen that question before I updated my original post, I'd have responded with, "Yes, I study it every Friday, right here on your Challenge!".

Here's one of the places where the critic suggested that Hercules might be della Francesca, himself.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1483683?uid=3739960&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103292202293

I love your dedication to discovering the classical art that our world is so full of and consider each challenge as an inspiration to learn more. After giving up on the other "smiles" you've presented us with (googling "toothy smile", "devilish smile", and "snaggle-tooth smile" led me astray), I'm now just reading about smiles in classical painting and why the masters so very seldom gave us an actual picture of teeth in their portraits.

Thanks for this week's really tough test; I look forward to pinboy finally solving the other unknowns, so I can read about those works, too.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
34. Well, my man is screaming for his supper...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jan 2014

sprawled on the couch watching the Buckeyes getting whupped, but good. (Yay!)

I will continue my investigation after I slave in the kitchen for a few, listening to the sweet strains of Don and Phil.

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
49. Thanks. I'm blessed with an art rich city due to Yale and being so close to NYC.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:54 AM
Jan 2014

And two and a half hours from Boston...and I have a daughter in Los Angeles so we trek over to the Getty or LACMA when I visit her...

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
47. I won't have to goto Urbino to see his Senigallia Madonna...it came to me!
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jan 2014

That is, it came to the MFA in Boston and I saw it in November. I am relieved. Getting to Urbino meant renting a car and going over the Appenines, not something I wanted to try! I thought about hiring a driver but had some bad memories of trying to get off a snowy Mount Etna with a Sicilian driver not used to snow calling us "pazzi!" all the way down...

I kinda feel for Urbino...that Piero is about the only tourist attraction it has...

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
45. There have been a spate of books on Piero over the past 20 years or so...he's "coming back" so
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jan 2014

to speak. Check out what your local library has. If you are in a university town and it has a good art department you could check their library as well. You might want to see what Amazon has to offer, too.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
52. I finally found a place to view the innards of San Francesco...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jan 2014

that you might like to browse before you go there (I couldn't even imagine actually stepping inside such a place); the page has a brief history of the Franciscans in Arezzo and some sort of 3D interactive set-up (which I did not add-on since it was possible to browse the frescos without the ActiveX thingie).

Here is the main page:

http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/

Here is The Legend of the True Cross:

http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/pieroimages.html

And here is The Discovery & Proof of the True Cross:

http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/zoomify/ritroverif.html


I do sympathize heartily with your worries about dealing with the pain while trying to enjoy everything you'll be there to see. With Piero's stunning attention to perspective, I've been getting down on my knees in front of the monitor just to view some of his stuff correctly, here at my computer, and my neck is now out, ha! I figure, if he was able to assume the positions required to paint those pictures (on a high wall), the least I can do is view them the way he intended.

You know, I'd never even heard of Piero della Francesca nor seen any of his paintings, before yesterday. Many thanks to you for including that "man with wooden beam" in your Friday Challenge!

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
53. I will be in that church in March! I can't wait.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jan 2014

In the meantime, my Rumanian rheumatologist wants me to "walk in the forest" (as he so charmingly puts it) with a cane to simulate cobblestones and toughen me up but has also offered injections before I leave...dunno if I'll do that...

Walking Piero's Trail was once something doughty Englishmen and women in stout shoes used to do. It is now a bit of "shabby gentility" thing for serious art junkies here, IMO, but I"m still gonna do it...

I'm so GLAD that I was instrumental in your discovering Piero! Now you're in trouble. You'll get hooked on art and there's no telling where that will end...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. Is #4 one of Antonello da Messina's "Portrait of a Man" paintings?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)


I have something from the Met and it shows his "Portrait of a Young Man"; the turn of the eyes and sly smirk are so similar I would bet that yours is a Messina. Can't find the proof yet, but I'm still looking.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
39. I saw one of his many "Portrait of a Young Man" back in the early seventies...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jan 2014

and it's in my book from that trip to the Met. Those eyes sure were unmistakable.

Here's the Messina that I saw:

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
41. Holbein was who I thought, too! First guy I googled, ha!
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:51 AM
Jan 2014

I can't get my mind off today's loss now, tho. Your "Portrait of a Young Man" reminds me of Phil Everly.


This was an especially hard challenge. I've dug out a stack of books searching for the last one; I know I've seen it before somewhere, but it has me stumped. The little boy almost looks like an elf or a little devil.

(I thought the first one was a Hals, also. )

elleng

(130,857 posts)
42. Don't have an idea about #2 at all.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:05 AM
Jan 2014

Spent time banging my head about Holbein! You, me, Holbein and Hals, eh?

Didn't make connection between Portrait and Phil Everly. Very sad.

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
50. Hals has a very distinctive brush stroke, much more pronounced than Rembrandt's subtle
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jan 2014

touch.

The Everly Brothers were MY generation...they will always be young, in my mind...tough to lose these people...almost like losing our own lives bit by bit...it's hard to take...

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
46. Yes, it is Antonello. I deliberately did NOT choose the one that has the smirk...it's pretty well
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:25 AM
Jan 2014

known.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
43. #2: Giovanni Francesco Caroto - Portrait of a Child with a Drawing
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:25 AM
Jan 2014
Great Works: Portrait of a Young Boy holding a Child's Drawing (circa 1515), Giovanni Francesco Caroto
By Tom Lubbock Friday 26 February 2010

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Around the time when Raphael was at the height of his powers, a minor Veronese painter made his great one-off. Giovanni Francesco Caroto painted the Portrait of a Young Boy Holding a Child's Drawing. The boy's eager, slightly toothsome smile gives this picture a place in the history of portraiture. But the page he holds upstages it. It has the first depiction of child art in a European painting.

Whoever the boy is, this stickman is presumably meant to be his own work, proudly presented. But study the sheet more closely. Lower right, notice the profile eye, drawn with an expert hand. We can imagine the boy hanging around the studio, picking up bits of paper used by the artist or his pupils for sketches, adding his own.

But what of the stickman itself? It's an attempt by an experienced artist to imitate a child's handiwork. It's uneven. The scratchy, wobbly lines are persuasive. Some of the formations seem too complex – see its right eye, constructed from curved eyebrow and eyelid. Indeed the incomplete head in the corner suggests a grown-up approach. Children of this age push ahead, don't have a second try.

And of course, this drawing is not a drawing. It's a painting of a drawing, made in the infinitely correctable medium of oil paint. Caroto has closely observed how children draw. He probably hasn't tried to unteach his own hand. He has faked it. And his careful copying has preserved for us evidence that while art styles change, children 500 years ago failed much as they do today.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/great-works/great-works-portrait-of-a-young-boy-holding-a-childs-drawing-circa-1515-giovanni-francesco-caroto-1910800.html


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
44. ANSWERS
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:08 AM
Jan 2014

Recap of answers posted by solvers (subject, as always, to correction by CTyankee).

1. Rembrandt - Portrait of Baartgen Martens Doomer (1640)


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2. Giovanni Francesco Caroto - Portrait of a Child with a Drawing (c. 1515)


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3. Piero della Francesca - Discovering and Proving of the True Cross (c. 1466)


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4. Antonello da Messina - Portrait of a Man (c. 1475)


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5. Annibale Carracci - Two Boys Laughing (c. 1580-82)


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6. Velazquez - Los Borrachos (The Feast of Bacchus) (c.1628-9)



CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
48. Thanks, Pinboy! I overslept and am just now having my second cup of coffee...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jan 2014

it was a long, cold, dark night last night...brrr!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
51. Thanks for the Challenge!
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jan 2014

This was another fun one to do. And compiling the answers from the thread replies helps me (I hope) better remember what I learn here.

Thanks again--and stay warm!

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