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Smiles are hard for painters to catch on canvas. Here are some famous ones that were captured by renowned artists. Who painted what?
AND: cheating and then guessing is unwelcome here and unfair to other DUers. Dont do it.
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broiles
(1,367 posts)Is #6 Goya and #1 Velasquez?
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)but I love that you are here and thanks so much for the nice words!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She is the matron of the von Fram family, ancestors of the Framm air filter fortune.
Surprisingly, the von Fram's invented air filters for internal combustion engines nearly two centuries before the engines themselves were invented.
Not having anything to do with the air filters, they wore them around their necks as ornaments.
elleng
(130,857 posts)Franz Hals
elleng
(130,857 posts)#1, Franz Hals
#4, I know it, I know it!!!
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)a learning moment, I suppose!
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Rembrandt
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)elleng
(130,857 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)guessing one of his wealthy patrons
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)you are right!
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)CTyankee
(63,900 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Why is a classical god, Bacchus, partying with a group of contemporary Spanish peasants? Why is he crowning the kneeling soldier while glancing out the picture to the left? What has he seen? Why do the two men next to him smile as though mugging for a camera? How can Bacchus hold the wine so still that there is no ripple on its surface? Scholars have argued these points for more than a century but without the crucial fact Steven Orso revealed in 1993 they could make no headway.
Orso's discovery that seventeenth-century Spaniards believed that Bacchus had visited Spain and had become its first ruler explains why Philip IV was so interested in the subject. It also explains, even more significantly, how Velazquez would have identified with the central figure both as god of wine (alcohol stimulates the imagination) and Spain's first monarch who was both royal and divine. The divine Spanish king, the original king, however simple he may appear in the image, was the perfect symbol for Velazquez's own purified soul as Spain's greatest master, the rank the still-young artist clearly aspired to.
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http://www.everypainterpaintshimself.com/article/velazquezs_bacchus_c.1628-9
elleng
(130,857 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)These are tougher than I expected!
elleng
(130,857 posts)but fun to play!
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)Tell me how you got to this!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)IMO, it would have been a better painting without Bacchus. But I guess it's good to be the King!
I knew I'd seen this before, but I didn't have a clue about the artist or title. So I just started searching--and almost missed it when an image of the whole work came up because I was looking for the detail.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)of the cycle of stories of the Holy Cross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francesco,_Arezzo#The_frescoes_of_Legend_of_the_True_Cross
I found this one by googling classical painting "man with wooden beam" which gave me one of Piero della Francesca's other works, "Hercules". That aha moment, recognizing his style, took me quickly to the answer.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)Did you study art history?
Sorry, I see that you did research this...interesting...I just love what you did to find it!
I will be in eastern Tuscany in March on the Piero della Francesca Trail and will see this! We'll be based in Anghiari and going to Monterchi, San Sepulcro and Arezzo to see his works. I am so excited!
countryjake
(8,554 posts)I really like the way he depicted Hercules and it tickles me that my "wooden beam" google took me to it.
It was hard for me to find anything in English that actually reviewed the True Cross painting and I still haven't managed to find a page that shows all of Piero's frescos located at that Basilica of San Francesco.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)I did see his Flagellation of Christ at the National Gallery in London last May. What a museum! Geez, that nearly killed my arthritic back! I don't think the little borgi in eastern Tuscany are gonna be much better...
countryjake
(8,554 posts)the corner where Hercules used to be. After reading more about that painting, I don't think that the Italians want to claim it, even tho they are now proudly celebrating Piero della Francesca and his extremely small body of work. I read at a couple of places that it may be considered his "self portrait", the wooden beam his paint brush.
http://www.casasantapia.com/art/pierodellafrancesca/hercules.htm
You are so lucky to get to go on such a fantastic trip, take it easy, but have a blast!
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)when did you go? what was the occasion?
countryjake
(8,554 posts)and enjoying looking at his frescos, thanks to your Friday Challenge.
You asked me earlier if I've studied Art history (we must have been simultaneously typing) and if I'd seen that question before I updated my original post, I'd have responded with, "Yes, I study it every Friday, right here on your Challenge!".
Here's one of the places where the critic suggested that Hercules might be della Francesca, himself.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1483683?uid=3739960&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103292202293
I love your dedication to discovering the classical art that our world is so full of and consider each challenge as an inspiration to learn more. After giving up on the other "smiles" you've presented us with (googling "toothy smile", "devilish smile", and "snaggle-tooth smile" led me astray), I'm now just reading about smiles in classical painting and why the masters so very seldom gave us an actual picture of teeth in their portraits.
Thanks for this week's really tough test; I look forward to pinboy finally solving the other unknowns, so I can read about those works, too.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I was counting on learning the answers after you solved them.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)sprawled on the couch watching the Buckeyes getting whupped, but good. (Yay!)
I will continue my investigation after I slave in the kitchen for a few, listening to the sweet strains of Don and Phil.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)And two and a half hours from Boston...and I have a daughter in Los Angeles so we trek over to the Getty or LACMA when I visit her...
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)That is, it came to the MFA in Boston and I saw it in November. I am relieved. Getting to Urbino meant renting a car and going over the Appenines, not something I wanted to try! I thought about hiring a driver but had some bad memories of trying to get off a snowy Mount Etna with a Sicilian driver not used to snow calling us "pazzi!" all the way down...
I kinda feel for Urbino...that Piero is about the only tourist attraction it has...
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)to speak. Check out what your local library has. If you are in a university town and it has a good art department you could check their library as well. You might want to see what Amazon has to offer, too.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)that you might like to browse before you go there (I couldn't even imagine actually stepping inside such a place); the page has a brief history of the Franciscans in Arezzo and some sort of 3D interactive set-up (which I did not add-on since it was possible to browse the frescos without the ActiveX thingie).
Here is the main page:
http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/
Here is The Legend of the True Cross:
http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/pieroimages.html
And here is The Discovery & Proof of the True Cross:
http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/zoomify/ritroverif.html
I do sympathize heartily with your worries about dealing with the pain while trying to enjoy everything you'll be there to see. With Piero's stunning attention to perspective, I've been getting down on my knees in front of the monitor just to view some of his stuff correctly, here at my computer, and my neck is now out, ha! I figure, if he was able to assume the positions required to paint those pictures (on a high wall), the least I can do is view them the way he intended.
You know, I'd never even heard of Piero della Francesca nor seen any of his paintings, before yesterday. Many thanks to you for including that "man with wooden beam" in your Friday Challenge!
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)In the meantime, my Rumanian rheumatologist wants me to "walk in the forest" (as he so charmingly puts it) with a cane to simulate cobblestones and toughen me up but has also offered injections before I leave...dunno if I'll do that...
Walking Piero's Trail was once something doughty Englishmen and women in stout shoes used to do. It is now a bit of "shabby gentility" thing for serious art junkies here, IMO, but I"m still gonna do it...
I'm so GLAD that I was instrumental in your discovering Piero! Now you're in trouble. You'll get hooked on art and there's no telling where that will end...
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)CTyankee
(63,900 posts)Nice detective work!
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)
I have something from the Met and it shows his "Portrait of a Young Man"; the turn of the eyes and sly smirk are so similar I would bet that yours is a Messina. Can't find the proof yet, but I'm still looking.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Searching on him, I found it's title is Portrait of a Man (c. 1475).
countryjake
(8,554 posts)and it's in my book from that trip to the Met. Those eyes sure were unmistakable.
Here's the Messina that I saw:
elleng
(130,857 posts)(del Sarto,) a favorite.
Been thinking Holbein for hours!
countryjake
(8,554 posts)I can't get my mind off today's loss now, tho. Your "Portrait of a Young Man" reminds me of Phil Everly.
This was an especially hard challenge. I've dug out a stack of books searching for the last one; I know I've seen it before somewhere, but it has me stumped. The little boy almost looks like an elf or a little devil.
(I thought the first one was a Hals, also. )
elleng
(130,857 posts)Spent time banging my head about Holbein! You, me, Holbein and Hals, eh?
Didn't make connection between Portrait and Phil Everly. Very sad.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)touch.
The Everly Brothers were MY generation...they will always be young, in my mind...tough to lose these people...almost like losing our own lives bit by bit...it's hard to take...
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)known.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)By Tom Lubbock Friday 26 February 2010
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Around the time when Raphael was at the height of his powers, a minor Veronese painter made his great one-off. Giovanni Francesco Caroto painted the Portrait of a Young Boy Holding a Child's Drawing. The boy's eager, slightly toothsome smile gives this picture a place in the history of portraiture. But the page he holds upstages it. It has the first depiction of child art in a European painting.
Whoever the boy is, this stickman is presumably meant to be his own work, proudly presented. But study the sheet more closely. Lower right, notice the profile eye, drawn with an expert hand. We can imagine the boy hanging around the studio, picking up bits of paper used by the artist or his pupils for sketches, adding his own.
But what of the stickman itself? It's an attempt by an experienced artist to imitate a child's handiwork. It's uneven. The scratchy, wobbly lines are persuasive. Some of the formations seem too complex see its right eye, constructed from curved eyebrow and eyelid. Indeed the incomplete head in the corner suggests a grown-up approach. Children of this age push ahead, don't have a second try.
And of course, this drawing is not a drawing. It's a painting of a drawing, made in the infinitely correctable medium of oil paint. Caroto has closely observed how children draw. He probably hasn't tried to unteach his own hand. He has faked it. And his careful copying has preserved for us evidence that while art styles change, children 500 years ago failed much as they do today.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/great-works/great-works-portrait-of-a-young-boy-holding-a-childs-drawing-circa-1515-giovanni-francesco-caroto-1910800.html
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Recap of answers posted by solvers (subject, as always, to correction by CTyankee).
1. Rembrandt - Portrait of Baartgen Martens Doomer (1640)
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2. Giovanni Francesco Caroto - Portrait of a Child with a Drawing (c. 1515)
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3. Piero della Francesca - Discovering and Proving of the True Cross (c. 1466)
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4. Antonello da Messina - Portrait of a Man (c. 1475)
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5. Annibale Carracci - Two Boys Laughing (c. 1580-82)
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6. Velazquez - Los Borrachos (The Feast of Bacchus) (c.1628-9)
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)it was a long, cold, dark night last night...brrr!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)This was another fun one to do. And compiling the answers from the thread replies helps me (I hope) better remember what I learn here.
Thanks again--and stay warm!