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last1standing

(11,709 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:37 PM Jan 2014

Latest talking point claims Greenwald is evil for making money from NSA documents.

I guess that means Woodward and Bernstein were also evil for making money off of the Watergate scandal.

Wouldn't things have been much better if those two had told Mark Felt (Deepthroat) to take a hike and let Nixon continue to commit felonies? I mean Felt didn't go to jail, face prosecution, or anything. How can he be a good whistleblower if he doesn't go to jail?

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Latest talking point claims Greenwald is evil for making money from NSA documents. (Original Post) last1standing Jan 2014 OP
I'm eevil too.... mike_c Jan 2014 #1
How dare you? last1standing Jan 2014 #4
Woo is saying that? pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #2
I'm staying out of woo, feminism, men's rights, and gun threads. last1standing Jan 2014 #6
Woo can argue with that? pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #8
I thought Woo was on first hootinholler Jan 2014 #7
Woo's on first. What? I don't know. Third base! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #10
Who is pushing this "talking point?" eom DonViejo Jan 2014 #3
Here you go. Make sure to read the article it links. last1standing Jan 2014 #5
Cool. Thanks. Much appreciated! eom DonViejo Jan 2014 #9
And...Here's Greenwald's Answer to the Pando Article... KoKo Jan 2014 #23
Just imagine a journalist making money. The Bastid . How dare he Autumn Jan 2014 #11
He'll probably just spend it all on his gay lover while evading taxes in Brazil. last1standing Jan 2014 #12
Not to worry. More smears will be on the way. Autumn Jan 2014 #13
I think they've avoided calling him a greedy Jew so far. last1standing Jan 2014 #14
I haven't seen that, though there's been some troubling homophobic stuff Recursion Jan 2014 #25
I so wouldn't be surprised. I am astonished no-one actually tried it yet. idwiyo Jan 2014 #26
Can you prove he's Jewish? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #28
I never said Greenwald was evil for trying to cash in... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #15
Were Woodward and Bernstein "compromised?" last1standing Jan 2014 #16
All I've ever cared about was the story Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #18
That's like asking why do you even care what some no-name poster at DU says. last1standing Jan 2014 #19
If you want to have some fun with the archives Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #22
I'm pretty sure Greenwald would have screwed up this story for free, too Recursion Jan 2014 #21
Fascist spies get paid, those who expose them get prosecuted. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #17
Well, Greenwald's getting paid and isn't being prosecuted, so... (nt) Recursion Jan 2014 #20
However, he's actually doing something beneficial for society..unlike the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #24
I'm totally disgusted with state sponsored propaganda that attacks messengers. delrem Jan 2014 #27
I have maintained for a long time now that woo me with science Jan 2014 #29

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
4. How dare you?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jan 2014

Everyone knows that we should all do our jobs without pay because anything else is bad.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
6. I'm staying out of woo, feminism, men's rights, and gun threads.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jan 2014

Those are all much more contentious than simple NSA document threads.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
23. And...Here's Greenwald's Answer to the Pando Article...
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:20 AM
Jan 2014

I posted this in the other thread. It takes a bit of time to read...if anyone is interested.

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Glenn Greenwald: On NSA Journalism and the Absurdity of Some Recent Critiques (Fascinating Read)
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Questions/responses for journalists linking to the Pando post - and other matters
by Glenn Greenwald


The other day I referred to those who "evince zero interest in the substance of the revelations about NSA and GCHQ spying which we're reporting on around the world", but "are instead obsessed with spending their time personally attacking the journalists, whistleblowers and other messengers who enable the world to know about what is being done." There are dozens of examples, one of whom is the author of a post this week at Pando.com which accuses me and Laura Poitras of having "promptly sold secrets to a billionaire", Pierre Omidyar, and claims we made "a decision to privatize the NSA cache" by joining Omidyar's new media organization and vesting it with a "monopoly" over those documents.

I've steadfastly ignored the multiple attacks from this particular writer over the years because his recklessness with the facts is so well-known (ask others about whom he's written), and because his fixation is quite personal: it began with and still is fueled by an incident where The Nation retracted and apologized for an error-strewn hit piece he wrote which I had criticized (see here and here).

But now, this week's attack has been seized on by various national security establishment functionaries and DC journalists to impugn our NSA reporting and, in some cases, to argue that this "privatizing" theory should be used as a basis to prosecute me for the journalism I'm doing. Amazingly, it's being cited by all sorts of DC journalists and think tank advocates whose own work is paid for by billionaires and other assorted plutocrats: such as Josh Marshall, whose TPM journalism has been "privatized" and funded by the Romney-supporting Silicon Valley oligarch Marc Andreesen, and former Bush Homeland Security Adviser and current CNN analyst Fran Townsend ("profiteering!", exclaims the Time Warner Corp. employee and advocate of the American plundering of Iraq).

Indeed, Pando.com itself is partially funded by libertarian billionaire Peter Thiel, the co-founder of Paypal and CIA-serving Palantir Technologies. The very same author of this week's Pando post had previously described Thiel (before he was funded by him) as "an enemy of democracy" and the head of a firm "which last year was caught organizing an illegal spy ring targeting American political opponents of the US Chamber of Commerce, including journalists, progressive activists and union leaders" (one of whom happened to be me, targeted with threatened career destruction for the crime of advocating for WikiLeaks).

Moreover, the rhetorical innuendo in the Pando post tracks perfectly with that used by NSA chief Keith Alexander a few weeks ago when he called on the US government to somehow put a stop to the NSA reporting: "I think it's wrong that newspaper reporters have all these documents, the 50,000-- whatever they are, and are selling them and giving them out as if these-- you know, it just doesn't make sense," decreed the NSA chief. This attack is also the same one that was quickly embraced by the Canadian right to try to malign the reporting we're now doing with the CBC on joint US/Canada surveillance programs.

I would think journalists would want to be very careful about embracing this pernicious theory of "privatizing" journalism given how virtually all of you are not only are paid for the journalism you do, but also have your own journalism funded by all sorts of extremely rich people and other corporate interests.

Much More...long read at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/12/02-5

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
12. He'll probably just spend it all on his gay lover while evading taxes in Brazil.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

That covers most of the smears, doesn't it?

I'd also place odds on the chances someone alerts this post for the title despite the obvious sarcasm.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
28. Can you prove he's Jewish?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jan 2014

That's a pretty serious charge to level without evidence.

Certainly, it would explain a lot.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. I never said Greenwald was evil for trying to cash in...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jan 2014

I just said he was compromised (that's not even a new or recent talking point, btw)...Greenwald may be a petty, smug, insufferable little shit, but that is for reasons other than trying to enrich himself...

Luckily the story has grown beyond Greenwald's direct control and proper journalists have carried the ball the past few months...

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
16. Were Woodward and Bernstein "compromised?"
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jan 2014

They took money for their reporting as well. They wrote books and made profit from them.

As for your personal opinions of Greenwald, I couldn't care less. I'm concerned with those trying to destroy a journalist for reporting facts they don't agree with.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. All I've ever cared about was the story
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jan 2014

And I had a very real concern at the start that Greenwald's haphazard methodologies would find some way to fuck it all up...Mercifully, he didn't, so good on him...

I'm not trying to make any Woodward/Bernstein comparisons, and it's silly to do so -- Completely different era, completely different political climate and public attitudes at the time....

And why do you even care what some no-name blogger from pando.com says? (fwiw, Greenwald already penned his standard-fare snark-filled, scorched-earth rebuttal to Ames) The story is bigger than any one single person anyway, so "destroying" Greenwald doesn't mean the NSA story instantly vanishes...Nevermind the fact that it's been a good long while since Greenwald has reported anything, anyway...All I've seen lately are WaPo-NYT-WSJ-Guardian-Reuters bylines (and they of course have been doing excellent, well-sourced, researched work)...Greenwald these days seems to be an interviewee much more often than an interviewer...

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
19. That's like asking why do you even care what some no-name poster at DU says.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jan 2014

We care so we say something about it. It's just the way it is.

As for the different era comment, I have no clue why that would matter at all. People were paid for their work then and they're paid for their work now. That hasn't really changed much.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. If you want to have some fun with the archives
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jan 2014

type "bob woodward sellout" in the DU google search box at the top of your screen and start re-reading some of the older results...His post Watergate history has been well-documented by some long-lost DUers...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. I'm pretty sure Greenwald would have screwed up this story for free, too
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jan 2014

But, like you, I'm glad it's out of his hands and other people are running with it, though I also worry that straight-out misinformation is coming out under the cover of the leaks (did NSA really crack Google's private network, or do they want us to think that?)

At any rate, whether paid or not, Greenwald is doing Langley's work by bringing down the NSA. Whether that ends up making things better or worse remains to be seen, though the commission report was encouraging.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. However, he's actually doing something beneficial for society..unlike the NSA.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jan 2014

And, we aren't paying Greenwald for his good work, whereas we are paying the NSA for its dirty deeds.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
27. I'm totally disgusted with state sponsored propaganda that attacks messengers.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:42 AM
Jan 2014

The more evil and unjustified the state program is, the more $$ it pumps into smearing messengers.
The smearing of Greenwald is totally outside the bounds of reason. It doesn't even pretend to address the issues that Greenwald, and Snowden through Greenwald, have brought to the table.

The SOBs use the same techniques as every other totally owned mouthpiece of a dictatorship, anywhere in the world, when they lie and smear, and if we haven't learned how to see their signs by now then we're totally useless as human beings.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
29. I have maintained for a long time now that
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 04:50 AM
Jan 2014

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the sheer dishonesty, nastiness, and relentlessness of the corporate propaganda that now drowns this site serves only to drive home for everyone how utterly corrupt and creepy in its authoritarianism this government has become.

The corporate garbage that is posted on these boards and across the internet, hour after hour and day after day, shows how sick and bent on power these fascists really are. They have set out to assault and destroy the free press of the United States of America and replace it with a sick propaganda machine as creepy as anything coming out of any dictatorship.

It's a symptom of how corrupt our government really has become, that political messaging in this country has devolved to this type of ubiquitous Orwellian garbage.

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