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questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:49 PM Jan 2014

how the woo wars began

an op was posted about the plume rising at reactor # 3

3 possibilities of why the plume was rising were detailed in the article the op linked too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024261981

Possibility 1: a meltdown is taking place

The Reactor 3 fuel storage pond still houses an estimated 89 tonnes of the plutonium-based MOX nuclear fuel employed by the reactor, composed of 514 fuel rods.

Ever since the explosion Tepco has been concerned that if the spent fuel storage pond dries out, the intensely radioactive spent fuel rods would melt down and produce further significant radioactive emissions.

Possibility 2: ‘corium’ has reached groundwater

Reactor 3 itself contained 566 fuel rods, and has experienced a complete meltdown. The location of the molten fuel, known as ‘corium’, is unknown, but it may have burnt its way through the reactor base and entered the underlying soil.

This would also produce steam as the hot corium came into contact with groundwater, while also releasing radioactive contamination to make its way into the Pacific Ocean.

Possibility 3: rainwater on stray fuel elements / Reactor

An alternative explanation is that the steam plumes could be caused by stray fuel pellets and reactor rod fragments – which themselves produce significant amounts of heat – coming into contact with rainwater percolating through the damaged and roofless structure.

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the anti woo peops came into thread,declared it woo and stopped discussion,so my question is are there other more likely scenarios?

which of these 3 is the most likely? (let's hope it is # 3 since that is the least harmful)

or why are these 3 scenarios completely false ?

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how the woo wars began (Original Post) questionseverything Jan 2014 OP
ermahgerd PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #1
I wouldn't call any of those "Woo." Nobody is suggesting the reactor has leaking chakra points... Ian David Jan 2014 #2
Did you just return from Woodstock? In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #6
who said there was something wrong Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #3
Well, at least the meltdown was confined to DU. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #4
Ken Burns is producing a 10 part documentary on The Woo Wars as we speak. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #5
My dearest Margaret, NuclearDem Jan 2014 #12
Postscript: John Brown was killed two days later at the Battle of Echinacea. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #15
Well, the meltdown has already taken place Warpy Jan 2014 #7
if it is #2 questionseverything Jan 2014 #8
Yes it is Warpy Jan 2014 #17
I reckon it started years before Major Nikon Jan 2014 #9
being kinda new to du questionseverything Jan 2014 #11
The woo wars at my house have been much more interesting. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #10
The woo wars began a long time ago, you are way late to the party. Rex Jan 2014 #13
day late and dollar short questionseverything Jan 2014 #14
I thought they started with the crop circle thread jberryhill Jan 2014 #16
original "crop" circles questionseverything Jan 2014 #18
"Beer drinkers with ropes & boards created the Nazca Lines." - Scientific Materialists, Inc. Berlum Jan 2014 #19
lol questionseverything Jan 2014 #20
The Nazca lines don't "baffle archaeologists" jberryhill Jan 2014 #21

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
2. I wouldn't call any of those "Woo." Nobody is suggesting the reactor has leaking chakra points...
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jan 2014

... and needs to be re-aligned to fix its Feng Shui.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
12. My dearest Margaret,
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jan 2014

I write this letter to you with a heavy heart, for today I have seen brother take up arms against brother. Such senseless argument, such meaningless flame, such tired pettiness. Today we stand victorious on the fields of St John's Wort, though for many of my brothers, it stands a hallow victory.

-John Brown, 44th Anti-woo Regiment, General Discussion.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
15. Postscript: John Brown was killed two days later at the Battle of Echinacea.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

Cue the sad, soulful violin music.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
7. Well, the meltdown has already taken place
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

and that leaves two possibilities: either it has melted through the floor of the reactor or water is entering the chamber and being turned into steam. I find the second most likely, although the first will happen eventually.

DU has gained a few pro nuclear flacks who will dismiss any posts suggesting problems with nuclear power as "woo" or worse.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
8. if it is #2
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jan 2014

has that happened before?

is there anyway we can know what the consequences might be?

i can admit i am no scientist but isn't #2 commonly refered to as "china syndrome"?

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
17. Yes it is
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jan 2014

I think they'd be picking up increased radiation in ground water if it had happened. While TEPCO hasn't been forthcoming with much information so far, I think they might have mentioned it if it had occurred--or some of their international team trying to figure out how to stabilize the whole business and keep it from getting worse would spill the beans.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. I reckon it started years before
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jan 2014

It's not as if there many new 'wars' on DU. The fires get pissed out but always seem to reignite from time to time.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
11. being kinda new to du
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:40 PM
Jan 2014

i am still a little surprised at what gets attention or discussion here...what struck me as odd with the op in question was the bashing the author of the least deadly opinion (#3)

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
18. original "crop" circles
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jan 2014

The Nazca Lines – Located in South America, etched into a high plateau in Peru’s Nazca Desert, a series of ancient designs stretching more than 50 miles has baffled archaeologists for decades. Along with simple lines and geometric shapes, they include drawings of animals, birds and humans, some measuring more than 600 feet across.

Because of their colossal size, the figures can only be appreciated from way up in the air —and there is no evidence that the Nazca people, who inhabited the area between 300 B.C. and 800 A.D., invented flying machines. According to ancient alien theorists, the figures were used to guide spaceships as they came in for a landing, and the lines served as runways
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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. The Nazca lines don't "baffle archaeologists"
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jan 2014

Curiosity about a subject is a good start to finding out what has actually already been figured out.

Gothic cathedrals, viewed from above, are laid out in the shape of a cross. It's quite striking to look at Google earth pictures of them. Medieval Europeans didn't have airplanes, or aliens, either. It turns out that people like to make big things for purely artistic and spiritual purposes.

The racist assumption is, of course, that it was perfectly normal for Europeans to make big things that only make sense from a then-impossible elevation, but South American natives were somehow too stupid.

Ancient people were every bit as intelligent, and included folks just as clever as the most clever person walking the earth today. We did not become innately more intelligent in the last few thousand years. We did start writing stuff down to make it easy for each generation to jump start "stuff they know". However, in the absence of knowledge about metallurgy and other aspects of material science, it turns out that ancient people were really really good - and had a lot of experience - at doing things with rocks. In cultures which had a relatively good handle on the basics of food cultivation, they also had a LOT of time on their hands to figure out how to do cool stuff with rocks.

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