Fuck the gap incorporated I never shopped at their stores before but now I will openly oppose them

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What they do to rabbits for angora fur is disgusting and the company should be shut down. I ask everyone to sign this petition please

[link:https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=5201|

[Ranchemp.]

1. PETA?

Sorry, as an active hunter, I have ZERO respect for PETA.
I wouldn't sign anything from that whacked out org.

[Arcanetrance]

2. So the suffering of animals having their fur ripped from them while alive should be discounted

Cause the link for the petition came from peta

[Ranchemp.]

3. As I said, I wouldn't sign any petition from that whacked out org.

And, coming from an org. that's been caught in lie after lie, how do you know this is true?

[Arcanetrance]

5. If you click the link there's a video for you to watch and given the fashion industries

love for animal cruelty it definitely seems credible

[Ranchemp.]

7. Anything that PETA endorses

I take with a GREAT BIG GRAIN OF SALT.
I don't believe a word PETA says anymore.

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26. Would you believe the Animal Liberation Front?

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/Shop--ToDo/Shopping/NakedNotFur.htm

[Ranchemp.]

27. They're even nuttier than PETA.

I remember when they "freed" a bunch of minks in Ohio, who then ended up getting killed by predators or being run over by vehicles.

But, this is my own opinion.

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28. They are more radical, that is for sure. But they are also very serious about animal liberation.

Whereas PETA is very often nothing more than a funnel for money.

The ALF suffers under the shortcomings of many other anarchist groups in that they sometimes participate in ill-structured and ill-informed activities. Although that alone is not a very sound condemnation. Especially considering their motivation and their considerable success.

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8. Dude... stop being a Republican.

You know... stop NOT listening to the other side, even when it's not what you want to hear.

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30. How do we know what's true coming from someone who enjoys killing?

How do we know what's true coming from someone who enjoys killing?

(Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Insert rationalization here)

[Ranchemp.]

31. When did I say I enjoy killing?

What I enjoy is the taste of lean, none steroid filled meat, I enjoy knowing that I'm not contributing to those horrible factory farms that raise and butcher the animals in cruel and inhumane conditions.

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4. So you enjoy killing animals for sport, eh?

[Ranchemp.]

6. No, I shoot animals to feed me and my wife.

Much better than that store bought, steroid/chemical filled, factory farmed meat.
And I never said anything about shooting animals for sport, that's on you.

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11. I have no problem with that

Unless you ask me to dress it..

You do that, too. I'll cook it. In spices.

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12. I'm always open for new recipes.

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13. I suppose a properly placed rifle round is superior to a slaughterhouse.

However, groups like PETA don't give much of a shit about your preference for different types of meat. They are incorporated veganism. Their philosophy, like many animal liberationists, revolves around establishing the right to life and the right to remain free from cruelty for most or all animals.

[Ranchemp.]

14. That's the problem with PETA,

they don't respect the rights of hunters, to them, meat is murder.

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16. The right to kill another animal really only should exist in a state of absolute need.

Otherwise, you're giving up other options that could avoid slaughter. While I am a hypocrite and eat meat, I do so with the understanding that what I'm doing isn't of great moral fortitude. I certainly won't acknowledge that any person has a definable right to slaughter other animals unnecessarily.

[Ranchemp.]

17. And I'm not slaughtering animals unnessarily,

I'm shooting unmolested meat that is much healthier to eat, are not raised and butchered in horrible, inhumane conditions.

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19. You're killing another living creature with an at least marginal level of intelligence.

As I've said, a properly placed rifle round is likely a more humane way of slaughter than many of the other options animals suffer under. However, that doesn't mean it's ethical. That just means it's less unethical.

The only way your hunting is justifiable is if you quite literally have no other option to live meat free. And, while there is always the possibility such an issue exists, I suspect this is not the case.

[Ranchemp.]

21. Obviously, we're poles apart on this.

One thing I will never do is apologize, or change my way of hunting, so, let's just leave it at that.
I get it, you think hunting is immoral, while I think it's a healthier lifestyle.

[Ranchemp.]

18. Also, my wife and I each shoot an xtra elk or deer

and donate it to the local food bank or shelter and they are damned glad for the meat to feed the less fortunate.

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20. I hear the charity argument a lot and it doesn't really make much of a difference.

For instance, you could maintain a garden and donate the vegetables.

[Ranchemp.]

22. We do maintain a garden,

and what we don't need, we do donate.

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23. Well, that's certainly excellent.

[Ranchemp.]

24. You may think it doesn't make much of a difference,

but try telling that to those that are the beneficiaries of our donations.

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25. I'm saying it makes no difference to the argument for animal rights.

Obviously, your charitable donation makes a difference. Whether such a difference justifies the killing of an animal is an argument of means and ends.

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9. Not everyone personifies animals. nt

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15. Personhood is not a uniquely human trait. So what you should really be saying is...

"Some people refuse to acknowledge real personhood in other animals."

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29. And the word you were looking for is anthropomorphise.

to ascribe human form or attributes to (an animal, plant, material object, etc.).

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32. Do you have a reliable source and

not some hack site?

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33. The PETA site is the one that has the link to the petition I don't get the hatred for PETA

Why is it a hack site?

[Ranchemp.]

34. Not hatred, but profound disdain.

PETA is a radical animals rights org who lies and constantly ridicules legitimate hunters.
I remember this little tidbit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html

Warning: Some of the following graphic photos may distress the reader.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is an organization that publicly claims to represent the best interest of animals -- indeed their "ethical treatment." Yet approximately 2,000 animals pass through PETA's front door every year and very few make it out alive. The vast majority -- 96 percent in 2011 -- exit the facility out the back door after they have been killed, when Pet Cremation Services of Tidewater stops by on their regular visits to pick up their remains. Between these visits, the bodies are stored in the giant walk-in freezer PETA installed for this very purpose. It is a freezer that cost $9,370 and, like the company which incinerates the bodies of PETA's victims, was paid for with the donations of animal lovers who could never have imagined that the money they donated to help animals would be used to end their lives instead. In fact, in the last 11 years, PETA has killed 29,426 dogs, cats, rabbits, and other domestic animals.

Most animal lovers find this hard to believe. But seeing is believing. And if it is true that a picture speaks a thousand words, the following images speak volumes about who and what PETA really stands for.

Why should I take this org. seriously?

[Arcanetrance]

35. That bothers me and I'd like to know why they had the animals put to sleep maybe they had health

problems I don't know. But I would like someone to look into why that's happened. As far as the rabbits go I read a few different places about this happening it wasn't just PETA. As of right now the only petition I found is through PETA that's why I posted it. Personally I have had no real opinion on PETA past they waste money on celebrity ad campaigns that I feel could better be used to help animals.

[Ranchemp.]

36. Look,

I know that PETA does expose what goes on with these factory farms and the inhumane conditions, I applaud them for that, but they constantly shoot themselves in the foot, (no pun intended) when they ridicule and condemn legitimate hunters and, pull the kind of shit in my previous post.

I agree, PETA should concentrate on the injustices done to animals, ie, factory farms and animal cruelty, not going after people like me, legitimate hunters who eat what they hunt or donate to the less fortunate.

Jeez, I hope this makes sense, long night last night.

[Arcanetrance]

37. Well I'm not a fan of them going after people who hunt for food I do hate trophy hunters

Personally I've seen the inside of slaughterhouses and worked in butchering and processing hunting is a much more humane way to go. I know that's not what anyone expects me to say but there's my odd two cents

[Ranchemp.]

38. I too, hate trophy hunters,

they give legitimate hunters a bad reputation, my wife made it clear early on that she won't put up with deer racks hung above the fireplace, and I agreed, I think that's gross.

I do believe that we have more in common than either of us realize.