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Rilgin

(787 posts)
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 11:59 PM Jan 2014

Why Christie did not fire aides today

Watching MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell hitting on Christie for not firing his aides today.

He said and the other panelists agreed that 12 hours is enough for an action for someone who represents himself as "decisive". They thought it was a character failing on Christies part. However, I suspect the reason is something else altogether which fully fits his character.

The media including the MSNBC hosts do not understand or do not want to discuss the fact that even though 12 hours is plenty of time to fire an aide caught red-handed, it is not a lot of time to negotiate sufficient payoffs to your whole staff to arrange for them to fall on their own swords (ending their careers) to protect him from any exposure.

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Why Christie did not fire aides today (Original Post) Rilgin Jan 2014 OP
They likely have info on Christie. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #1
The Sopranos, the reality show, American politics edition nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #3
new casting... politicman Jan 2014 #6
He would make a very convincing one actually nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #7
Tony Soprano NastyRiffraff Jan 2014 #8
I would guess there are binders full of information. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #4
they know where the bodies are buried.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #2
Oh yeah.. Cha Jan 2014 #14
Christie ordered the shutdown, his aides Dawson Leery Jan 2014 #5
Hope so! jimlup Jan 2014 #10
Now these "aides" have him by the short and curlies.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #17
Christie is hoping the storm will die down... jimlup Jan 2014 #9
I believe two aides or whatever resigned.. they should have stuck around. Cha Jan 2014 #15
The micromanaging governor had no idea jsr Jan 2014 #11
Prediction.. Christie never utters the word "micromanaging" again. Cha Jan 2014 #16
I think Christie got too big for his britches (figuratively) and who ever is running the GOP rhett o rick Jan 2014 #12
That's the 2nd time I've seen that Rove idea advanced..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #22
I simply stated that this smells like Karl Rove's doing. How specifically he did it, I dont know rhett o rick Jan 2014 #42
Why? Christie & crew couldn't be petty, vindictive pricks all on their own? JHB Jan 2014 #39
Karl has be pulling dirty tricks for decades. It's his full time job. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #43
Prescisely, Rilgin! Surprised no one thought to Cha Jan 2014 #13
I've been thinking about that this evening. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #18
Which brings to mind...did Christie ever throw jabs at Pres. Obama VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #31
In Jersey they end up in the Meadowlands or in a burnt out car down in the Pine Barrens bklyncowgirl Jan 2014 #38
Christie cannot shelter them from criminal prosecution. Federal agencies are now involved. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #19
Bingo. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #25
Yup 2naSalit Jan 2014 #33
Need more? SCVDem Jan 2014 #20
This situation cries out...... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #21
I've been employed in the insurance industry and they already got a product-- TexasTowelie Jan 2014 #26
it is absurd and beyond belief NJCher Jan 2014 #23
I'm struck by the casual ease with which they discuss retribution Skittles Jan 2014 #34
It reminds me almost exactly of Enron and "Grandma Millie". tridim Jan 2014 #41
I must say I feel no guilt at all Mr.Bill Jan 2014 #24
He should do anything, take us out of this gloom. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #27
Damn! I love Traffic. longship Jan 2014 #28
Just think of the possibilities, if he runs in 2016! Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #30
I've always said we'll never have a modern day President from New Jersey because the state's... TeamPooka Jan 2014 #29
Because they're not teachers? rucky Jan 2014 #32
Of course, metaphorically, the staff know where the bodies are buried intaglio Jan 2014 #35
It took him roughly 12 hours to come up with the soundbite he had yesterday justiceischeap Jan 2014 #36
There is no way that Christie did not receive a call from some high up malaise Jan 2014 #37
Stick a fork in him, he's done! B Calm Jan 2014 #40
 

politicman

(710 posts)
6. new casting...
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jan 2014

Well, I have wanted a Sopranos movie ever since the tv show finished airing, and then James Gandolfini passed away and I gave up hope for it.

Now I have hope again, they can cast Christie as the new Tony Soprano. Who will get behind that?

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
8. Tony Soprano
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:41 AM
Jan 2014

could actually be a sympathetic character at times. No you didn't like a lot of the stuff he did, but at the same time you couldn't help kinda liking the guy against your will (at least I couldn't).

Christie, though...nothing sympathetic about him. Wouldn't work.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
9. Christie is hoping the storm will die down...
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:57 AM
Jan 2014

as this is how he operates too. He'll probably eventually be forced to fire an aide but we'll have to keep the pressure on in order for that to actually happen.

Christie is the new media darling. I'm so sick of it. I doubt this will work as it is too soon. Plenty of time for Christie to invoke doctrine of "change of course".

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. I think Christie got too big for his britches (figuratively) and who ever is running the GOP
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jan 2014

had Karl "The Fixer" Rove set him up. This smells of "THe Fixer".

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
22. That's the 2nd time I've seen that Rove idea advanced.....
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jan 2014

...and I can't figure out what it means. How can Rove ''fix'' this? Especially when it seems everyone, including the state's Democratic Party, knew it because.... well, that's Christie. It's what he does.

- Please use diagrams or graphs to show how Rove arranged this, if you think it'd be helpful.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. I simply stated that this smells like Karl Rove's doing. How specifically he did it, I dont know
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:19 PM
Jan 2014

and I dont really care. If you dont agree, that's fine.

My point is, keep your eyes on Karl. Be very interesting to know who is paying his salary.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
39. Why? Christie & crew couldn't be petty, vindictive pricks all on their own?
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 07:51 AM
Jan 2014

Are you claiming (or speculating) that Rove obtained and leaked the emails? Because otherwise everything that happened was done by Christie insiders.

I'm sure Karl likes his Great And Powerful Rove image, but pay attention to the mere mortal behind the curtain. Most of his "genius" is simply brazenness.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. Karl has be pulling dirty tricks for decades. It's his full time job.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jan 2014

Just because you dont hear about all his tricks doesnt mean he has been on vacation. It's my opinion that in politics there is a lot of backroom deals, underhanded tricks, and "political pressure" put on people.

Now maybe Christie was stupid enough to pull this stunt that appears to kill his political career, or perhaps he was on the wrong side of some power people.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
18. I've been thinking about that this evening.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:34 AM
Jan 2014

Christie is will be FORCED to throw people under the bus - HARD!

But there's a problem. They know too much. If this was the Chicago outfit they would be found in a car trunk at O'Hare airport after the smell became overwhelming.

As it stands, the GOP, NJ GOP, RNC and Christie's donors will have to back-stop their silence with lawyers, guns and money - 'cause the shit has hit the fan.

Anyone remember James Tobin Bush Campaign manager weasel who was up to his eyeballs in the phone jamming scandal? the RNC spent millions to defend him while one of his underlings went to prison. It was obvious Tobin knew where the bodies were buried because records showed he was in direct contact with the White House (probably Rove) the day of the jamming. The RNC spent 2.5 million to defend him AND his wife got a $300k a year job she was nowhere near qualified for.

In the coming days, it will become obvious who did and didn't have a "buffer" between themselves and the gov.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
31. Which brings to mind...did Christie ever throw jabs at Pres. Obama
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 03:19 AM
Jan 2014

about connections to "Chicago style politics"? Seems to me I remember something like that being bandied about.....

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
38. In Jersey they end up in the Meadowlands or in a burnt out car down in the Pine Barrens
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 07:18 AM
Jan 2014

I'm guessing he's trying to arrange a soft landing for them--legal fees, future employment at a conservative think tank or a cushy six figure "consulting" job at some supporters law firm.

That he got taken by surprise by this is rather surprising and this may be hard to put together. Sounds to me like the GOP is planning to throw Jersey Fats under the bus.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
19. Christie cannot shelter them from criminal prosecution. Federal agencies are now involved.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:41 AM
Jan 2014

I wouldn't bet any of those cronies would do a stretch in the pen for Christie, they've been gravy train riders their entire lives.

Someone will crack...but I believe the redacted name in some of those smoking gun e-mails is Christie himself.


Either way, he's fucked.

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
33. Yup
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 03:33 AM
Jan 2014

That's what I was thinking, and he's probably negotiating real hard to find those soon to be fired for show folks other juicy jobs to keep them quite while he shoves them under the bus on TeeVee... only, as mentioned above, they are all in the federal microscope now so...? I hope he get impeached, prosecuted and sentenced.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
20. Need more?
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:09 AM
Jan 2014

Where is the Sandy redevelopment money?

The needy residents have been waiting way too long.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. This situation cries out......
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jan 2014

...for a new insurance/liability product: Political Scandal Insurance.

- They can even sell them as derivatives and make some real money, since there's no end to political scandals, the sky's the limit......

K&R

TexasTowelie

(112,136 posts)
26. I've been employed in the insurance industry and they already got a product--
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:53 AM
Jan 2014

it's called pubic public liability insurance.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
23. it is absurd and beyond belief
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:23 AM
Jan 2014

That a gang of high-level, close-to-the governor staffers would go out on a limb like this without his knowledge, thus his end-of-the-day statement is not in the least bit believable.

Only one person in that group has the motivation for the kind of over-the-top revenge that took place.

Furthermore, it is utterly ridiculous to think that someone would just email about "time for a traffic jam" and expect that another person would know exactly what to do. That had to have been extensively discussed prior to that email.


Cher

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
34. I'm struck by the casual ease with which they discuss retribution
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 05:22 AM
Jan 2014

I would be horrified if someone suggested payback that would include impacting anyone on the road - I'd be thinking of emergency responders, kids going to school, people trying to get to work or go to job interviews - WTF - it's very telling that his staff acts like it's just another one of their duties - certainly like they've done such sh** before

tridim

(45,358 posts)
41. It reminds me almost exactly of Enron and "Grandma Millie".
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jan 2014

Republicans have zero empathy, it's a requirement for membership.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
24. I must say I feel no guilt at all
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:26 AM
Jan 2014

for taking a great deal of satisfaction in the fact that Mr. Christie is not sleeping well tonight.

TeamPooka

(24,221 posts)
29. I've always said we'll never have a modern day President from New Jersey because the state's...
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 03:03 AM
Jan 2014

political system is so corrupt and no one is untainted.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
35. Of course, metaphorically, the staff know where the bodies are buried
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 06:06 AM
Jan 2014

It is just a metaphor - isn't it?

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
36. It took him roughly 12 hours to come up with the soundbite he had yesterday
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 07:08 AM
Jan 2014

So, what were he and his staff and, most likely, attorney's doing all that time yesterday? Making sure he could make the claims he did yesterday without it coming back to bite him in his overly large ass. I bet they were metaphorically shredding documents yesterday to save him from prosecution and/or limit the political damage in the long run.

I think the NY Daily News editorial pretty much sums it up accurately, no matter the outcome of the investigation, Christie comes across as being inept and unprepared for something as serious as President of the United States.

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