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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:36 AM Jan 2014

ALL THE BEST, SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED, INFORMATION ON FUKUSHIMA IMPACTS

1. My favorite magazine growing up, Popular Mechanics, has a very nice write up about understanding radiation counts from radiation safety expert Andrew Karam. Andrew Karam has over 30 years of experience in health physics (radiation safety), beginning with an eight-year stint as a mechanical operator and radiation safety specialist in the Navy. Since then, Karam has worked for the State of Ohio, Ohio State University, the University of Rochester and as a private consultant. Favorite Quote: “In the areas of Japan I visited, radiation dose rates were elevated to about three to four times typical natural radiation dose rates (which are about .1 mrem per hour), but nowhere near as high as natural radiation levels I’ve measured in parts of Iran.

2. Is the west coast being fried by Fukushima radiation? Dr. Andrew Thaler, a marine biologist and chief editor of Southern Fried Science, totally dismantles Michael Snyder’s Activist post 28 Signs That The West Coast Is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation From Fukushima. Take Home: No and the Snyder article distorts the truth and outright lies to advocate for his position. Favorite Quote: “The article is a paranoid, poorly reasoned attempt to link the tragedy of the Fukushima disaster to just about every environmental issue facing the US west coast in the last few months.”

3. Are high radiation readings being observed on the west coast of the United States? No doubt you’ve seen the video of a man in San Francisco, California using a Geiger Counter showing high radiation readings on the beach. Enter Dan Sythe, the CEO of International Medcom Inc. that develops and produces radiation detection instruments and systems. Dan has a list of impressive credentials on everything Geiger Counter related. At the Geiger Counter Bulletin, he tests the same California sand and compares it to readings from Fukushima. Take Home: The radiation signature in the coastal sands is normal and is not the same as from Fukushima. Favorite Quote: “The radionuclides are in the NORM class of radioactive substances, not from Fukushima. NORM stands for Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material…If the sand were contaminated by radiation from Fukushima it would show Cesium 137 [it does not].” Super Favorite Bonus Quote: “The radiation level [in the sand] is elevated, but roughly equivalent to some granite counter top material from Brazil.”

4. Related to the above, Wendy Hopkins an Information Officer of the California Department of Public Health, has made a public statement. Favorite Quote: “Recent tests show that elevated levels of radiation at Half Moon Bay are due to naturally occurring materials and not radioactivity associated with the Fukushima incident. There is no public health risk at California beaches due to radioactivity related to events at Fukushima.” By the way, Dean Peterson, Director for Environmental Health Services for San Mateo County, also stated that the radiation is due to naturally occurring minerals typically found in coastal geology.

I understand why people are scared and concerned. I grew up in the age of imminent nuclear destruction (does anyone else remember doing nuclear attack drills in schools that were very similar to tornado drills?). My generation and the baby boomers before us were steeped in a pot of nuclear fear and skepticism. As Kim stated in her post, “While there are terrible things that happened around the Fukushima Power Plant in Japan; Alaska, Hawaii and the West Coast aren’t in any danger. These posts were meant to scare people (and possibly written by terrified authors). They did just that, but there is a severe lack of facts in these posts.” I caution everyone to thoroughly evaluate all claims and look at the biases and expertise of those making them.

6 MORE IMPORTANT POINTS INCLUDING
-Is radiation, in the form of Cesium, reaching the west coast?
-Are babies in the U.S. dying as a direct result of Fukushima radiation?
-Is everyone on the west coast swathed in Fukushima radiation?

: http://fukushimaupdate.com/all-the-best-scientifically-verified-information-on-fukushima-impacts/

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ALL THE BEST, SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED, INFORMATION ON FUKUSHIMA IMPACTS (Original Post) Bonobo Jan 2014 OP
Thanks for the science. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2014 #1
Even here at DU there are some who would rather spread panic. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #2
thanks Bonobo. mahina Jan 2014 #3
It's just math MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #4
Lord I hope this is right. TEPCO's track record keeps me skeptical. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #5
Thanks, Bonobo, R&K nt longship Jan 2014 #6
I read this article in Popular Mechanics too madokie Jan 2014 #7
Testing makes up a very small part of the "normal radiation levels" FBaggins Jan 2014 #8
I was hoping Bonobo would give me an answer madokie Jan 2014 #12
Happy to help anyway FBaggins Jan 2014 #13
I'm sorry but I can't answer that question. Bonobo Jan 2014 #18
Thanks madokie Jan 2014 #22
That would be due to background radiation from granite, probably Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #19
Good to know that it comes from natural causes rather than what I was worried about madokie Jan 2014 #21
not buying it maindawg Jan 2014 #9
Tell ya what... RC Jan 2014 #10
I know RIGHT! snooper2 Jan 2014 #11
The stupid, it burns. jeff47 Jan 2014 #15
Exactly! you never learned that in science class? snooper2 Jan 2014 #16
heh uppityperson Jan 2014 #20
Do you trust simple math? Try out the inverse square law. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #14
Well said. nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #17

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
2. Even here at DU there are some who would rather spread panic.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jan 2014

using distortions and outright lies like that purported radiation plume map-which is actually a tsunami wave height image.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. It's just math
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:36 AM
Jan 2014

It makes little sense that concentrations could be so high after diffusing for thousands of miles. I'd think it would fall off as one over distance squared or cubed.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
5. Lord I hope this is right. TEPCO's track record keeps me skeptical.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:40 AM
Jan 2014

Japan is where I want to eventually live.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. I read this article in Popular Mechanics too
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jan 2014

I have a question for you. When they say normal radiation levels is that due to all the nuclear weapons test that were done in the years following WW2 or is it due to natural causes. I know we have natural uranium deposits as there is one near what I call my home place. I don't know but I suspect a lot of what is called normal background radiation is because of all the testing that was done years ago. Best I remember there were literally hundreds of test, air, water and inground of which inground in my way of thinking would be the safest.

Thanks

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
8. Testing makes up a very small part of the "normal radiation levels"
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jan 2014

It's well below 1% of the annual dose.

That doesn't mean that all of the dose is "natural" of course. In the US, roughly half of the estimated dose comes from medical testing or treatment.

Interesting to note that while the dose from nuclear testing is comparatively small... it's still many many times higher than that from Fukushima.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. I was hoping Bonobo would give me an answer
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jan 2014

he's not a shill for the nuclear industry as I see you to be, sorry.

again my apologies

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
13. Happy to help anyway
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jan 2014

Your past swings in being able to assess reality on the subject long ago removed your opinion of me from the list of things I care about.

Here are a couple authoritative sources:

http://hps.org/documents/environmental_radiation_fact_sheet.pdf

http://www.ncrppublications.org/Reports/160

The second source is expensive, but the piece you're looking for is summarized in the USA column of the wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
19. That would be due to background radiation from granite, probably
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 04:52 AM
Jan 2014

very very little of the normal background radiation comes from atomic testing in the period between WWII and the atmospheric test ban treaty. The majority of background radiation comes from natural decay of radioactive elements in soil and bedrock, and granite bedrock tends to have a higher concentration of uranium and radium than other rocks (this is also why houses built in areas with granite bedrock can have issues with radon, see here for instance).

madokie

(51,076 posts)
21. Good to know that it comes from natural causes rather than what I was worried about
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:19 AM
Jan 2014

Thank you for this.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
9. not buying it
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jan 2014

How many times have we been lied to ? How hard is it for some billionaire to spread propaganda ? Hell they are using disney characters to brainwash our elementary students these days. No, you will need alot more than some article in a magazine to convince me.
I would prefer to read about what the hell they intend to do about the situation than some article assuring me that the radiation pouring into the pacific ocean everyday cant hurt me. Bullshit.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
10. Tell ya what...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:08 AM
Jan 2014

Take a couple of years off, get a small boat and go from the West coast to Japan. Take note of all that water along the way. Keep in mind how deep that water is. You will cross over water that is well over six miles deep in some places.
If there really were a danger, as you say, from that radiation from Fukushima on the west coast, Northern Japan would be glowing in the day time and everything to the horizon in all directions, would be dead. That doesn't seem to be the case.
My expertise on how much water is out there? I was in the Navy and crossed the Pacific three times. Plus my globe and various world maps, education and some common sense. Find a swimming pool and put in a couple of drops of black ink. What color did the water in the pool turn?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
11. I know RIGHT!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jan 2014

Another thing they are missing is the radioactive water is a little heavier, and a lot is moving towards the South Pole (being heavier) and freezing...

When Global Warming really heats this summer and starts melting the ice there the levels will be 20-50 times what they are now! Everywhere!

I would stock up on what fish is left now. My wife is looking for a good freezer we can put a couple years worth of fish in.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. The stupid, it burns.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 12:50 PM
Jan 2014
Another thing they are missing is the radioactive water is a little heavier, and a lot is moving towards the South Pole (being heavier) and freezing...

Because gravity on a globe on your desk is exactly the same as gravity of Earth. So the south pole is "down" and everything runs to it.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
16. Exactly! you never learned that in science class?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jan 2014


I feel really bad for the Emperor Penguins that live there-

I hope they aren't glowing this summer




 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Do you trust simple math? Try out the inverse square law.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jan 2014

If X=the amount of radiation found 1 kilometer from the Fukashima site.

and

The distance from Japan to California is about 8700 KM.

then

the radiation at any given point in California will be X/75,690,000.

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