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CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:36 PM Jan 2014

Cool stuff in this Friday Afternoon Challenge, folks: “That’s interesting! Who Knew?”

Factoids and back story info are in each of these works of art. Can you figure them out?

...and please, cheating here is bad. Don’t.

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Cool stuff in this Friday Afternoon Challenge, folks: “That’s interesting! Who Knew?” (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2014 OP
Bookmarking and an R&K longship Jan 2014 #1
Great! Nice to see you! CTyankee Jan 2014 #3
#3 -- Rape of Europa, Titian Tansy_Gold Jan 2014 #2
Oh, my! There's a reason that LOTS of people are gonna know...maybe... CTyankee Jan 2014 #4
Has it been released yet? On the new Euro, I mean? countryjake Jan 2014 #11
TA DA! You got it! CTyankee Jan 2014 #14
I think I saw it in the Boston Globe... countryjake Jan 2014 #19
Oh, I might have read it in the Globe. We get the Sunday Globe edition and the art CTyankee Jan 2014 #29
So is that the back story on this one Aerows Jan 2014 #20
Yup. I think it is cool... CTyankee Jan 2014 #23
Oh wow, that's neat Aerows Jan 2014 #25
Article that I read only said "maybe"... countryjake Jan 2014 #24
What did rape culture have to do with it? Aerows Jan 2014 #27
Actually, the term "rape" in those days often referred to "abduction." Consider "The Rape of the CTyankee Jan 2014 #31
Because if a woman got out of the hands of the Aerows Jan 2014 #33
It's all of those damn cupids that Titian depicted... countryjake Jan 2014 #41
I never understood it, so I saw a grasp on a presumed cow, some hemlock berries Aerows Jan 2014 #45
I guess we'll find out then... CTyankee Jan 2014 #28
#4 Broodje Brothel Gesloten by that Dutch guy jberryhill Jan 2014 #5
Interesting analysis, jberryhill! CTyankee Jan 2014 #8
Took me so long that someone else grabbed the Titian first! jberryhill Jan 2014 #30
that's what you get for being a smarty-pants! CTyankee Jan 2014 #32
Is the fifth one Aerows Jan 2014 #6
no, not the hands... CTyankee Jan 2014 #7
Okay. LOL. I always give it a whirl :) Aerows Jan 2014 #9
This one has a pretty good one! CTyankee Jan 2014 #10
Well then I'm eager to hear it :D Aerows Jan 2014 #12
do you know the artist? CTyankee Jan 2014 #16
I don't have the faintest idea Aerows Jan 2014 #18
#6: Giorgio Vasari - The Last Supper pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #13
Most excellent! CTyankee Jan 2014 #15
Wow, terrible that such works of art got destroyed Aerows Jan 2014 #17
There is a good book on this flood and how they tried so hard to save the art... CTyankee Jan 2014 #21
It fascinates me the lengths they went to in restoration of both of them Aerows Jan 2014 #22
Florence is really intense! You can't turn around in that city without running into another CTyankee Jan 2014 #26
I'm going to wait for Elleng to get here to identify #5... countryjake Jan 2014 #34
OK, let me guess...you thought it was Hals and went looking and saw the real CTyankee Jan 2014 #35
Nope, I already knew about him... countryjake Jan 2014 #37
Ah, that's even better! LOVE it!!! CTyankee Jan 2014 #39
That darn forger! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #36
Those "Vermeer" paintings he did were awful and I can't see how people were fooled but this CTyankee Jan 2014 #38
This one I like pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #40
That one, I dunno. CTyankee Jan 2014 #42
So she didn't have anthrax Aerows Jan 2014 #46
I really don't know about the anthrax. It wasn't mentioned in the reseach I did on this CTyankee Jan 2014 #47
My apologies, I'm not trying to play around Aerows Jan 2014 #50
Oh, I had to learn, also! I went to the library and pulled big art books from the shelves CTyankee Jan 2014 #52
She was actually a real person, in Haarlem, the Netherlands... countryjake Jan 2014 #53
Ha! Read about her at this wiki link... countryjake Jan 2014 #54
LOL! Anthrax causes flesh lesions and brain ones Aerows Jan 2014 #55
The Malle Babbe copy is the one I like, not the ones just going on exhibit. nt pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #49
#1 is Francesco Vanni's "The Rest on the Flight Into Egypt" (ca. 1595) countryjake Jan 2014 #43
Now you REALLY have to disclose what you did to get this! CTyankee Jan 2014 #44
This one I did a whole lot of googling... countryjake Jan 2014 #48
The Globe and the Times both did major articles on this exhibit here in New Haven. CTyankee Jan 2014 #51
I agree, that little angel, her dress & hair are exquisite... countryjake Jan 2014 #56
Yes, most Mannerist stuff is pretty awful to me, but the Pontormo pink is CTyankee Jan 2014 #57
OK, folks. #2 remains to be guessed... CTyankee Jan 2014 #58
That it's unfinished? countryjake Jan 2014 #60
Nice work! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #61
Did you find the Jean-Baptiste Greuze sketch of Danae... countryjake Jan 2014 #69
Wow! That one didn't turn up in my searches but it's pretty spectacular. pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #71
Thanks, I hadn't seen her comment, yet... countryjake Jan 2014 #74
I just found that article yesterday and was able to use that example in my already written Challenge CTyankee Jan 2014 #63
Haven't been to NYC since 2009... countryjake Jan 2014 #70
my pleasure... CTyankee Jan 2014 #73
#4: Jean-Baptiste-Siméon Chardin - Back from the Market (1739) pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #59
Actually, it was an observation by David Hockney in his book "Secret Knowledge" that CTyankee Jan 2014 #62
Yeah, I couldn't figure out what the backstory might be on this pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #66
One more thing about this painting... pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #67
What constitutes cheating? treestar Jan 2014 #64
resarching by google from clues in the actual painting is fine. CTyankee Jan 2014 #65
But when you use the image you've uploaded to an image-hosting account, that masks the source pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #68
I have done it by image location but it takes an extra step... CTyankee Jan 2014 #72

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
11. Has it been released yet? On the new Euro, I mean?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

I read something about the new Euro design last year, but I didn't think that it had actually been confirmed they were really going to go with "The Rape of Europa" on the new bill.

Wasn't it supposed to be out on the 6th of January?

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
14. TA DA! You got it!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jan 2014

The news report I read said it was under consideration...haven't heard anything since. They might not use it because it isn't in Europe any more...it's in Boston!

How did you find out about this? The only place I saw it was in the NYT...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
19. I think I saw it in the Boston Globe...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jan 2014

but it may have been the Times, not sure, I usually read both. It was around Thanksgiving time and I almost posted the article in a thread here on the rape culture in America.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
29. Oh, I might have read it in the Globe. We get the Sunday Globe edition and the art
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014

section is a constant delight (and a source of Challenge material!). Plus, I go to the MFA often with my daughter who lives in nearby Sherborn...

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
23. Yup. I think it is cool...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jan 2014

If you want to see it, go to Boston to the Isabella Gardner Museum. It is kind of in a strange position in the museum. I almost missed it. That is because the museum can't "re-do" where the art is placed. In her will, Gardner specified that if anything got changed in the way she arranged the art there, then the museum had to be closed and all its contents sold off...so everything is just where she left it...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. Oh wow, that's neat
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jan 2014

I hope I'll get up to Boston one day to see it. I was going to say when it wasn't so cold up in New England, but here on the coast we dipped into the teens and stayed there for a few days so I guess I have no excuses LOL!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
24. Article that I read only said "maybe"...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jan 2014

and I'm not finding anything new, now, on whether or not they are actually gonna do it.

I did see that the date of release for the new Euro (ten-note) should be on the 13th of January, not the 6th, as I'd thought originally.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. What did rape culture have to do with it?
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jan 2014

I'm sorry, I don't really know the back story on the painting and "rape" can be a generic term for destruction of fertile lands in history.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
31. Actually, the term "rape" in those days often referred to "abduction." Consider "The Rape of the
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jan 2014

Lock," a poem that was about the stealing of a lock of hair. Of course, the abduction of a female isn't any better than rape as we know it, because of the implications...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. Because if a woman got out of the hands of the
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jan 2014

family that watches/protects her, no matter what actually happens, her chastity and value is tarnished. Ugh.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
41. It's all of those damn cupids that Titian depicted...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jan 2014

in his painting. Europa doesn't appear to be all that happy about being kidnapped by that bull, yet the artist chose to make it appear that she was being smitten by "love" by adding those multiple putti.

I don't know, being raped by a bull doesn't seem like a very loving experience to me, yet that painting has always been a very famous and beloved work of art, to this day.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
45. I never understood it, so I saw a grasp on a presumed cow, some hemlock berries
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jan 2014

and anthrax. I'm not very educated in art as it goes in the 15-th through 19th century. I have to rely on evaluating it with my senses.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. #4 Broodje Brothel Gesloten by that Dutch guy
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:48 PM
Jan 2014

The Dutch guy's seminal work, Broodje Brothel Gesloten, shows a late night visitor arriving at the door of one of Holland's brothels which doubled as a sub shop, or broodje as such sandwiches are known in Dutch.

One of the young employees is greeting a visitor who has come to the door after closing hours, while the sandwich maker is putting away the bread and chicken.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
6. Is the fifth one
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:48 PM
Jan 2014

a milkmaid with anthrax? She has spots on her hands that would be like what they got. Once they got anthrax (and managed to survive the absurdly high mortality rate) they were immune to it and highly valued as milkmaids. The black spots on her hands and the jug sort of lead me to that conclusion, as did the berries in the first one that look like something poisonous.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
9. Okay. LOL. I always give it a whirl :)
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jan 2014

I thought that would make a neat backstory, though, for a painting.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. I don't have the faintest idea
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:10 PM
Jan 2014

Unless it's from the 20th century or architecture, or someone completely famous, I never do. I never know who half of the people are. I just try to analyze them by looking at them.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
13. #6: Giorgio Vasari - The Last Supper
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014
Vasari’s Last Supper back together after 50 years
Wednesday, December 25th, 2013

In 1546, the Florentine Murate Convent commissioned painter and art historian Giorgio Vasari to make a monumental painting of The Last Supper. The final panorama was more than 21 feet long and 8 feet tall, made out of five poplar wood panels. Despite its unwieldiness, the painting has lived a peripatetic existence, moving around to various locations until in the early 19th century it settled in Florence’s Basilica of Santa Croce. It was there that it met its greatest foe: the great flood of 1966.

Just a few blocks from the banks of the Arno and at a lower elevation than much of the rest of the city, Santa Croce was hit first and hit hardest by the flood. The high point of the flood, more than 22 feet, was in the Santa Croce area. Water flooded the church’s cloister, the crypt and the Museo dell’ Opera in the refectory. In addition to the Vasari Last Supper, the museum held one of the great masterpieces of 13th century art, the Crucifix by Cimabue, one of only three surviving crucifixes by the artist whose break from the stylized conventions of Italo-Byzantine design was a major influence on the Renaissance humanists that would follow him. It was flooded to Christ’s halo.

Santa Croce remained under water for more than 12 hours, longer than anywhere else, saturating wood panel paintings like the Cimabue and Vasari’s Last Supper. Things only got worse when the waters receded. The muddy water, thick with debris, diesel oil, naphtha and sewage, dragged paint off the surface of art works (the Crucifix lost 60% of its paint; staff literally sifted through the water and mud to recover any fragment of the original paint they could) and coated it with scum. The wood under Vasari’s painting was the consistency of a sponge after its 12 hours underwater. The primer layer of gesso underlying the painted surface absorbed so much water that the paint lost adherence and began to peel and flake.

In order to dry The Last Supper as quickly as possible, museum staff had to separate the five panels making up the piece and coat the surface with rice paper to keep the paint attached. Even so, the wood contracted as it dried and the surface cracked in multiple places. It took restorers 10 years to put the Cimabue back together again. The Vasari was so devastated they didn’t even try. They stored it in a cool place with controlled humidity and just waited until the technology and funding made conservation possible.

...


http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/28443
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. Wow, terrible that such works of art got destroyed
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jan 2014

but neat that they could even restore one of them. Sifting through muck to find paint flecks? Wow.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
21. There is a good book on this flood and how they tried so hard to save the art...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jan 2014

I think it is titled "Dark Water." It wasn't published too long ago, maybe 3 or 4 years. Jackie Kennedy and Ted Kennedy were among those who dedicated lots of effort to get help and money to Florence to help them out. It's a great story about a stunning moment in art history...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. It fascinates me the lengths they went to in restoration of both of them
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jan 2014

Certainly a worthy endeavor to preserve it for the ages, and intense. Just the idea that they sifted through mud to find the original paint flecks to keep it as original as possible. Amazing.

EDIT: And see, I didn't know any of this before I wandered into this thread. Like I said, I always learn something in these

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
26. Florence is really intense! You can't turn around in that city without running into another
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jan 2014

masterpiece! It is amazing. I think I read somewhere that 80% of the greatest art of Western Civilization is in Florence. Mind boggling...and I can tell you from experience that trying to get to all of the really great stuff is exhausting...if you go, contact me and I'll give you hints on stuff most tourists miss...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
34. I'm going to wait for Elleng to get here to identify #5...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:40 PM
Jan 2014

since we joked about mistaking the supposed artist for a Rembrandt on last week's challenge.

All I want to know is, where did the owl go? Did Henricus van Meegeren think that we wouldn't notice that it was missing?

http://vermeer0708.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/who-is-that-guy/

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
35. OK, let me guess...you thought it was Hals and went looking and saw the real
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:49 PM
Jan 2014

Malle Babbe and thought "hm, that's weird!" and then started looking around and found van meegeren's excellent "copy," right?

It's actually a pretty damn good forgery, IMHO...

I dunno where the owl went either...

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countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. Nope, I already knew about him...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jan 2014

my backstory is that I'd seen another painting of "Mad Meg" in the Met, that was once thought to be a Hals, but later discovered to have been done by one of his students.

I actually have a print of Hals' Haarlem "witch" hanging here in my house, because I'm a longtime fan of owls (and Hals).

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
38. Those "Vermeer" paintings he did were awful and I can't see how people were fooled but this
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jan 2014

one ain't bad...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
40. This one I like
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:14 PM
Jan 2014

Three van Meegerens will be shown in Springfield, MA this month as part of the exhibition, “Intent to Deceive: Fakes and Forgeries in the Art World.”

Celebrated art forgeries coming to Springfield Museums
http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/01/celebrated_art_forgeries_comin.html

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
46. So she didn't have anthrax
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jan 2014

wasn't a celebrated survivor of Anthrax and had nothing to do with anything?

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
47. I really don't know about the anthrax. It wasn't mentioned in the reseach I did on this
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jan 2014

painting. But I did research it from a whole different aspect from the hands. It is interesting. You have to look to another physical anomaly...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
50. My apologies, I'm not trying to play around
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jan 2014

I love these contests. PLEASE continue with them. I'm really not as artistically educated as most of you.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
52. Oh, I had to learn, also! I went to the library and pulled big art books from the shelves
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jan 2014

and sat down and read them! It was just my way of getting some escape when my husband was undergoing spinal surgery. I had to have some outlet. Art saved me. This is how I recovered.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
53. She was actually a real person, in Haarlem, the Netherlands...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:38 PM
Jan 2014

and was thought to be insane by some, though not necessarily what Hals meant by presenting that image of her (the owl on her shoulder might mean she was simply a drunk).


Bronze Malle Babbe, by Kees Verkade (1978), located on Barteljorisstraat, Haarlem

I'm not educated in Art, at all, compared to someone who has invested lots of money and years of schooling to learn about it. I merely have always been interested in the beauty, creation, and many mysteries involved with it and, as a result, have developed a healthy respect and minuscule knowledge of some of the classics. That's why I love CTyankee's Friday Challenge every week.

As an abused child, art was sort of an escape for me, a fantasy world to disappear into, and paintings and books probably helped to keep me strong and sane. I hung a ragged print of El Greco's "View of Toledo" above my bed when I was little, as a reminder to myself that I was not the only one lost in a storm and I used to crawl on those hills with the teeny people, in my imagination. Later my curiosity made me want to find out who had painted such a scene and what he had meant by it.

Not a thing is wrong with noticing details such as the hands of the woman in that first painting. They were painted so that you would see them, ha!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
43. #1 is Francesco Vanni's "The Rest on the Flight Into Egypt" (ca. 1595)
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jan 2014


Also known as "Madonna della Pappa", it's one of only a few known works by Vanni that can be seen here, in the US, at the Yale University Art Gallery.

I cannot figure out the backstory on it, except maybe that it's an example of works painted during the Counter Reformation (Vanni was an extremely religious man).

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
44. Now you REALLY have to disclose what you did to get this!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jan 2014

Of course, I live in New Haven so I know it, but how in the world did you get this? Altho I am guessing the article in the Globe and the one in the Times...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
48. This one I did a whole lot of googling...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:45 PM
Jan 2014

using "The Holy Family" first, then out of sheer frustration (scrolling those images, there must be thousands of paintings of the subject!), I finally specified "angel with dish & spoon Holy Family painting"...an article on the painting from the Globe was the second hit!

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/theater-art/2013/12/21/fresh-look-francesco-vanni-highlights-artist-naturalism-narrative-clarity-devotion/jatHCy4ugkUuyprzqCOR1L/story.html

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
51. The Globe and the Times both did major articles on this exhibit here in New Haven.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jan 2014

I attempted to see it on its final day last Sunday but the weather was too challenging. This painting, tho, is in the permanent collection of YUAG, so I can go back any time and see it.

This exhibit, however, was important, as it was the largest group of Vanni paintings in this country, and the largest one since the one in the Uffizi years ago!

Here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/nyregion/a-review-of-francesco-vanni-art-in-late-renaissance-siena-at-yale-university-art-gallery.html?_r=0

Interesting that Vanni is a Mannerist. Apart from his love of pink, I don't detect any of the annoying characteristics of Mannerists. Compare his pink with that of Pontormo, for instance...

I absolutely adore this painting! The pinks of the dress of the Madonna, the sweet angel and the Child's cheeks, are just charming to me. I must say that I have fallen in love with this work of art. So I hope everyone here will forgive me my indulgence of this tender, lovely painting!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
56. I agree, that little angel, her dress & hair are exquisite...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:56 PM
Jan 2014

and the colors of her gown are practically psychedelic.

Thank you for that other article!

I remember now that you're not a fan of Mannerism, the pale creepy fingers and awkward limb positioning. Note the hand of Mary about to pick up that spoon...a "sequel" painting might have the pappa spilled all over the hair and dress of the pretty angel, ha!

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
57. Yes, most Mannerist stuff is pretty awful to me, but the Pontormo pink is
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jan 2014

quite lovely to me! And no elongated bodies, a la El Greco!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
60. That it's unfinished?
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:50 AM
Jan 2014
The Fascination of the Unfinished
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/arts/design/the-fascination-of-the-unfinished.html?_r=0

I first went on a wild goose chase, thinking that the fuzzy "unfinished" cloudy part was a representation of the golden shower of Zeus, which would make the nude Danae. Everyone seems to have painted that particular myth and I enjoyed seeing all of the comparable works of that scene, but I had the wrong woman.

I finally decided to find out who else that god had chosen to take advantage of and just searched Zeus, which gave me a list of his victims (lovers) and Aegina's story seemed to fit the painting. "Aegina Visited by Jupiter" was soon found when I googled images for Aegina and Zeus.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
61. Nice work!
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 03:09 AM
Jan 2014

I did a lot of searches for that (and also went to mythology for some of them) with no luck at all.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
69. Did you find the Jean-Baptiste Greuze sketch of Danae...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jan 2014

that they have at the Louvre? I found that while I was still stuck googling "Zeus and Danae"; looked similar, but it was in reverse, so it didn't click with me.

I thought that it was a bit odd that he never actually finished painting the only real nude he ever attempted. So many of his finest female portraits have teasing glimpses of nipples or bosoms, yet when he tackles the myth of a woman, he never completes the story.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
71. Wow! That one didn't turn up in my searches but it's pretty spectacular.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jan 2014

It really sets itself apart from most of the odalisques I've seen.

As for the unfinished work, CTyankee notes that Chardin also had trouble with the arm in #4--despite four attempts!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
74. Thanks, I hadn't seen her comment, yet...
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:08 AM
Jan 2014

now I'm off to find out more about Chardin's "arm".

I didn't even notice that her elbow was askew in that painting...all I wanted to do was pull open that drawer with the key!

On Greuze, I read that his wife had lavish tastes and frittered away their money as fast as he'd earned it, so he may have not had the funds to purchase supplies he needed to complete his Aegina. That same biography told that the Greuze family was well-known for their loud arguments (overheard by neighbors), so that just makes me wonder, all the more.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
63. I just found that article yesterday and was able to use that example in my already written Challenge
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:39 AM
Jan 2014

so it was fortuitous!

At first I was puzzled by the name Aegina since I too thought the shower thing was Zeus. It might be inspired by the Rembrandt Danae, which is marvelous.

I loved that article. Nice project by the writer. Now I need to get my butt into Manhattan and visit the Met...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
70. Haven't been to NYC since 2009...
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:04 AM
Jan 2014

but would sure love to have had you as a guide in there. I've been to the Met many times, but usually walking thru with big saucer-eyes (which makes it hard to truly view anything, ha!)




I did read that they suppose Greuze was sparked to do his Aegina because he'd seen Rembrandt's Danae. After delving into his life a little more, I do feel a tad sorry for the guy, who, like so many others, died a sad old man.

Once again, I had a ball with this week's mysteries, and I thank you for all your efforts in preparing it for us!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
59. #4: Jean-Baptiste-Siméon Chardin - Back from the Market (1739)
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jan 2014
The world depicted by Jean-Baptiste-Siméon Chardin is quite different: his more down-to-earth subjects range from the life of servants and nursemaids to the seemingly innocent pastimes of children. The Return from the Market, showing a maid who has just returned to her pantry with loaves of bread and a leg of lamb, could hardly be more different in social setting from Boucher's painting. But notice the discreet narrative here: who is the male visitor, the corner of his hat just visible in the outer room, and why is our maid so interested in his conversation with the younger girl?

This work was exhibited at the Salon of 1738--the second year of regularly staged Salon exhibitions. The inception of these exhibitions caused French painters to become very conscious of how their work was read, and received, by the socially diverse public who came to these increasingly attended events. Painters were liberated from the literary, allegorical, and historical baggage of history painting, and focused on quotidian themes and narratives, often with a moralizing subtext. Chardin painted no less than four versions of this picture, which was also reproduced in a popular engraving. Note, however, that Chardin's painting, albeit with a rugged impasto and earthy colors appropriate to the "below stairs" subject, is no less carefully wrought than one by Boucher. Often, the same noble patrons acquired works by both artists.

http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/frgenre-chardin.shtm


CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
62. Actually, it was an observation by David Hockney in his book "Secret Knowledge" that
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:24 AM
Jan 2014

I was aiming for, in this work.

Here's Hockney: "Where’s her elbow? If you look at the picture from below, running up her exposed forearm, it’s at one place. Whereas if you follow her shoulder down, it’s somewhere entirely different. It’s as if her arm has an extra middle bone. This is clearly bothering Chardin as well, because in two other versions of the same painting, he’s still monkeying around with the elbow passage, trying to get it right."

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
66. Yeah, I couldn't figure out what the backstory might be on this
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jan 2014

I searched around, but nothing jumped out at me. The fact that there were four versions was not especially remarkable, but it was interesting to learn about this painting's popularity--especially at a time when genre paintings had received little respect.

That oddly-shaped arm does jump out at you, though. Not just the elbow area, but the forearm, too. It looks very heavy and masculine for a woman, completely out of place. And the aging of the painting and cracks in the paint only add to that impression.

pinboy3niner

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67. One more thing about this painting...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jan 2014

The way the maid is depicted eavesdropping on the conversation at the door also gives me a sort-of Norman Rockwell vibe. His work was very different, but genre paintings were also what he was known for.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
64. What constitutes cheating?
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:42 AM
Jan 2014

I see people have been googling to see if they can find out. Which does sound more fun than just having to admit you don't know and move on.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
65. resarching by google from clues in the actual painting is fine.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:24 AM
Jan 2014

It's what I would like to see! But cheating is just finding the image location and going on google to paste it. You can find the image location by right clicking on the image that is posted. You can try it one of them here and you'll see what I mean.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
68. But when you use the image you've uploaded to an image-hosting account, that masks the source
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jan 2014

If you used the source image, that could give it away because the url often identifies the artist or title. The url for the hosting account you use doesn't give anything away.

Cheating is using an image recognition app. It finds other internet postings of the same image, and those often have the identifying info accompanying the image on the site where it's posted. At least, that's my understanding of how those apps work.

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